Re[2]: Leaving messages in inbox
JSL A long time ago there was a thread on the dangers of leaving messages
JSL in the inbox. Unfortunately I no longer remember exactly what the
JSL danger was. I searched the archives for the subject line above but
JSL found nothing explaining the problem. Does anybody remember?
RO Basically it comes to this.
RO The Inbox is a high traffic folder: every message that enters your
RO message base first arrives in the Inbox, moving and deleting
RO (automatically and manually) means another mutation of your Inbox.
RO Due to these multiple mutations it's easy for things to go awry.
RO There's your first reason not to use the Inbox for permanent storage.
RO When your Inbox is large it's more difficult to mutate it then when
RO it's small, so using the Inbox for permanent storage makes it more
RO likely for things to go awry.
RO Of course executing compress and purge daily minimises the chance that
RO things go bad.
RO I've never had a corrupt Inbox, so I've never been bitten, but in the
RO past the issue came up regularly. But why use a mail client with an
RO extensive filtering engine like TB when you store everything in the
RO Inbox.
I totally agree with every word Roelof wrote. My addition: the only way I
saw corrupted Inboxes (I am a TB distributor) that people used the
Compress at exit. When I send the registration keys to users, this is
the information (in brief) I send them in the text of the mail before
the actual reg. code:
- switch off the Compress at exit forj all Inboxes, this is how you can
do it
- make manual compress of Inboxes at every two weeks, a month, based
on your email load
(I compress my folders every Sunday)
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Re[2]: Manual for The Bat! suitable for printing?
Hello Martin, C I'm just wondering if there is a printable manual available? PDF manual for TB: http://www.thebat.hu/Download/The_batv4018MANUAL.pdf MS Wouldn't have harmed to mention what language that document is MS in...would've saved the internet some megabytes of transferred data I MS guess. MS For the record: the above document is NOT english... I dont see that there was a request for the _English_ manual. There was a request for a _printable manual_ for TB. Anyway, sorry for the joke. I just wanted to point out that there is/are printable manual(s) out there for TB, it would be time to make an English one, too. Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Manual for The Bat! suitable for printing?
t Sorry to ask, but what language is it in t I can read quite a few languages but some are a headache! Hungarian. I wrote those manuals for v1, v2, v3 and v4. 300+ pages, so the users can download it, dont have to figure out everything by themselves. Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Manual for The Bat! suitable for printing?
t It seems that file is damaged according to my reader PDF manual for TB: http://www.thebat.hu/Download/The_batv4018MANUAL.pdf TF It opened fine here - but don't bother downloading it unless you read TF Hungarian! This is not a joke. I am sorry, I wanted it to be a half joke, half serious note that it IS possible to make a decent manual for TB. Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Let's write an English manual for The Bat! that is suitable for printing
Ok, I joked, but also, I am willing to participate in a project where we put together an English PDF manual. But I cannot do it alone. This is what I suggest: - first we simply import the CHM into HelpManual (I tried it, works, some formatting does not come over). Advantage of HM is that we can create PDF very easily, etc. Ok, so at this point we have a PDF v0. - some people go over it and decide which parts to change, what extra parts to write - those people decide who corrects/writes those parts - everybody does his job by the deadline the people agree - the editor/dictator :) goes over the parts and make the final corrections. If the issue is a serious one, he discusses it with the author. Final word is always the editor's. - we make a PDF then that is released. This is when people who are not actively included in the project can make suggestions, that could be included in PDF manual v2. So, who are willing to put some time into it? I estimate like ca. 40 hrs/person or little more. Project would take until the end of January, so it can be spread over two months, no reason to hurry during December. I am willing to do the HM editing, suggesting a structure, make the PDF v0. I can supply the editor with HM. I wont be editor. However, I strongly suggest to have ONE editor. Democracy in this kind of projects never work. Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Let's write an English manual for The Bat! that is suitable for printing
Ok, I joked, but also, I am willing to participate in a project where we put together an English PDF manual. PF Shouldn't Ritlabs produce manuals for their software? PF I find it odd that users need to produce manuals for a commercial PF software product. PF Freeware/open source, yes; payware, no. Yes, I know, but... Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Let's write an English manual for The Bat! that is suitable for printing
http://www.processtext.com/news.html A set of programs you (likely) never saw before. I downloaded most of them in the past but after my motorbike accident in January no idea where they ended up. But if you want to do any text converting, they are ideal. Sorry, I go bed to sleep! R I agree - his product are great and priced right. If you are using R Help Manual though, you may not need them ... I already made the PDF v0, it needs some editing, and then the members of the team can take a look at it. Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Let's write an English manual for The Bat! that is suitable for printing
JSL I've been following this thread since the beginning and find it JSL unusual that no one has mentioned the Tiki (similar to WIKI I suppose) JSL for TBUDP (The Bat! User Documentation Project) located at the PCWIZE JSL website (http://www.pcwize.com/). JSL The following link will take you directly to the TBUDP page: JSL http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/tbudp/tiki-index.php JSL Since this project has already been started, it would seem that it JSL falls directly in line with what every one in this thread is asking JSL for. I've discovered that once you have registered, you are allowed to JSL create new, and edit existing, pages. JSL Would a printable manual really be necessary if one could always go to JSL this site for answers to TB how-to questions? And if a printable JSL manual is preferable to on-line help, maybe the contents of this TIKI JSL could be printed in some sort of hard-copy manual. Yes, printable manual is always better. Even if you dont print it, you dont have to go online to find out something. I knew that there are sites/info about TB out there. What I suggest is to gather all useful info into one PDF. So, the goal is NOT to make something completely new, but a useful, comprehensive PDF. Vili Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Manual for The Bat! suitable for printing?
C I'm just wondering if there is a printable manual available?
C Something like the helpfile included in the Bat! program? The
C helpfile would be perfect to have on paper, but I can't figure out
C how to print it properly.
PDF manual for TB:
http://www.thebat.hu/Download/The_batv4018MANUAL.pdf
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Re: Errors sending/receiving from gmail -- SSL errors
Hi Andrew, AD How do I recover the certificate CAs without reinstalling Voyager? Try to -quit Voyager -rename MAIL/RootCA.EBD to MAIL/RootCA.EB -restart Voyager Vili -- Macasoft Bt. www.thebat.hu Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do you create a signature file?
Hi Marek, How do I insert a .gif logo? As Roelof indicated in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] this isn't possible with a template. MM but HTML templates are under development, so this will be possible in the MM future. Workaround until that: 1. Create a new mail that looks like the HTML template you like (pictures, logos, background, etc.). 2. Put e.g. AAA into the To: field. 3. Save the message to the Outbox. 4. Make a Common folder with the name e.g. HTMLTemplate 5. Export the draft mail as MSG into a file 6. Delete the draft mail from the Outbox 7. Open the file, and replace the To: AAA line with To: 8. Save and close the file 9. Import the file into the HTMLTemplate folder You are done. Next time you need your HTML template to send a new mail, you have to go to your HTMLTemplate folder, Ctrl+C, and paste it to your outbox and open it. You will always reach your original template in the HTMLTemplate folder. As every workaround, this is not a complete solution... Vili -- www.thebat.hu Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting no help from support...
V The others (how can you use Outlook and Bat) are not TB! related. V Look for it on the web. I correct myself. This is a TBUDL issue, just I was pissed off from the laziness of the original sender...However, the questions were so general, I think, a local, real computer help is needed for him... V Sorry Bob, but instead of asking simple questions, please work a V little on it before you send a question... We should not WORK INSTEAD V of you... We can help on people who try to help themselves first :(( It still stands. -- Vili Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting no help from support...
BaM So the forums are the best becasue you have gone through BaM itBeing a computer engineer I still can't get his damm BaM program to work You are not serious, right? What kind of computer engineer does not know what is POP and SMTP? If you don't joke, correct your intro: ..being an X, where X is DEFINITELY not a computer engineer... Read the manual. You said you read it. I don't believe you... The questions that you asked and are related to TB! are in the help. The others (how can you use Outlook and Bat) are not TB! related. Look for it on the web. Sorry Bob, but instead of asking simple questions, please work a little on it before you send a question... We should not WORK INSTEAD of you... We can help on people who try to help themselves first :(( -- Vili Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB to work in a network
Hello monsell, msl could TB be also in a network? msl say A, B C computers have TB installed. could the A computer be the msl main server? does this mean that all outgoing/incoming mail has to msl pass through A computer? do we update only the A computer regularly msl with addresses etc.. and could same be viewed in computers B C? msl how does one set up the network? msl your assistance is greatly appreciated. msl thanks in advance RTFM. Before ask, read the manual... -- Vili Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
EToken Pro
Hi, Please, write me down in details, how could I use an eToken Pro for SMIME. So, I dont want to use OTFE, I dont want the message base to be encrypted, just use the eToken for SMIME encrypting of mails for sending. Thanks, -- Vili Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feature disappear in 3.62.08...
Hello WilWilWil, W Just install .08 and tabs All/Unread in the list of messages are removed ! W I think for ritlabs, a release is a random draw in a list of features and bugs ! W If you are lucky, one time you get a splendid version with no bug W and max of features ! :-) :-) :-D View, Message list tabs, check it. If you would have upgraded from v3.60, you would not have experienced this. Unfortunately, v3.62 was .05, .07 and now .08 on RL site. That caused this glitch of yours. -- Vili Current version is 3.62.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filter to edit header - help please
Hello Marten, MG and a command window pops up, then my text editor opens the message. I alter the subject MG line and press SAVE. MG Then what's supposed to happen? Then you close the text editor and the msg should be imported in the Inbox. MG Hmm... not happening here... I use EditPad and EditPadPro. When you close it, it does not really quit, the program still runs in the background. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del, you will see in the task manager, that it still runs. Terminate the process, or select File, Close in EditPadPro, and you will see that TB! imports the mail. Somewhere, I am sure, you can set that EditPadPro should fully quit when you close it. -- Vili Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what's the cheapest way to get a TB license?
Hello Thomas, TF AFAIR the upgrade from that magazine version (v1.x) to the current TF version was half price. I don't know whether that's still the case. There is a 30% discount now. JBL I thought that the TB licence allowed it to be installed on a JBL laptop as well as a desktop machine as long as you were not JBL using both at the same time. I cannot find the original license JBL text to verify this, however. JBL I need to installed the updated v3.51 on my wife's laptop (separate JBL license) later, so I will see what the license agreement says. TF Let us know. Everybody can read the license.txt in his/her TB! workdir... -- Vili Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Secondary address in CC field
What macro I should use to put the secondary email address(es) of a contact to the CC field, in an account template? Thanks, Vili Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Reward offered!
HJM And thanks to the help of several folks here, and for which I HJM will always be grateful, I have now managed to salvage my old key HJM from an old backup, too, and that pathetic nag screen is finally HJM gone. If you provide S/N next time and I can identify you, I can resend your reg. key for no charge. Just a note: guys at RL are not sick. They protect their investment. When layers, doctors etc. will work free, THEN can anyone claim against any nag screen in softwares... -- Vilimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Jack's announces his new upgrade policy for TB
Hello Handsome, HJM IMO, it wouldn't hurt some of you to stop taking yourselves so HJM seriously, and lighten up a bit. I'm having major problems. I'm HJM angry, I'm frustrated, and tired. And because of it you are making other people angry... Your mail was not funny (at least I did not laugh at it), next time use some smileys... It just shows a weak character, nothing more, if someone put his/her anger/frustration on other people. -- Vili Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I tried to like The Bat!, really
DG 1) On one account, after unsubscribing from the only mailbox that had new DG messages, the account's unread message count didn't change (I guess this DG isn't quite a showstopper, but it certainly is annoying). You did not syncronize the local and server mailbox. DG 2) Using server-side filtering, TB! still doesn't know I have new messages DG in folders until I've selected those folders. (Maybe there is a way around DG this, but I shouldn't have to go out of my way to have my mail client check DG for new messages...) ??? If you KNOW, UNDERSTAND, what IMAP is, you should know, that the mailbox's info should be read to get the correct info. So, setup automatic checking of mailboxes. DG 3) After deleting a few messages from a folder, selecting any DG message in the message list would display the incorrect message. DG (Again, perhaps there is a fix for this, but I shouldn't have to DG trick my mail client into showing me the currently selected DG message instead of randomly selecting a message to show me...) Hmmm... I did not notice this... At me, only problem is with server side Outbox... DG I haven't spent any time playing around with IMAP Fine Tune options or DG anything else because I shouldn't have to. Ok. So, you buy a car, and you dont worry about what kind of fuel you use, what kind of tire pressure you have, etc. I DID download Mulberry and tried. Man, that has a lot of settings also. Once, I had the list of mailboxes 3 times under each other. Why is that??? There was a logical explanation, the problem was my limited knowledge of Mulberry. So is your limited knowledge of TB!'s IMAP settings... -- Vili Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can TB be secured in a way that allows guests to use it (on Windows XP Home)?
Hello Anthony, AGA Is there a way to secure The Bat such that visitors can be allowed to AGA use a person's PC without having access to the owner's e-mail? Use TB! Professional in encoded mode. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages base problem.
Hello Alberto, AA in the last month I had a lot of problem with the messages database AA on several pc: I have more or less 40 pc running The Bat! as mail AA client (different releases) on W2k fully patched with Symantec AA Enterprise Edition (9) as Antivirus program. AA In many cases the problem begins cancelling a message compression AA (in many cases because the user want to shut down quickly ..:( ), AA or in case of problem during the shut down. AA On the next boot The Bat! ask to resolve the problem and anfert AA clicking yes you can't see one or two month of mail... AA So is it possible to recover messages in .bin file? And how can I AA try to avoid this problem? If you copy that .BIN file to somewhere and rename the copied file to .TBB, you may import the mails back from it to your desired folder. How to avoid this problems: exclude .TBB, .TBI and .BIN from the antivirus search regime. You wrote that user CANCELS the message compression. And there is a problem at the next boot, right? It seems to me that it CAN BE a bug in TB!, however, I would need the exact version number of yours to test it. Also: until the fix: switch off every account's Inbox's Compress at exit and send the users a mail at every Monday morning to do it manually! (This is easy by using the Scheduler.) Also: a 3-month puppy can be trained easily. He poops on the carpet, you push his nose into it ca. 5 times, he learns NOT to poop on the carpet anymore, because of its consequencies... Similarly, if your users realized that by cancelling the compress at exit cause problems, they should have realized that doing it again and again is not... hmm... beneficial... (A trick, I wrote it at least once to this list, so if someone reads it not the first time, sorry for it (Alberto: you may modify it if you dont have a 2nd HDD or partition, to a separate directory on C:, because you are concerned about the loss of the mails, not the HDD crash) How to store the mails at more than one HDD/partition all the time (even if one HDD crash, absolutely no mail will be lost)? - Make a new account (AccountX) with some false email address, set the home directory on the 2nd HDD - AccountX properties: Ignore Check all account request - Setup folders in AccountX with every other account's name - Setup a filter in every other account that the incoming and outgoing mails will have a copy in the corresponding AccountX folders So, if you make frequent backups, after a HDD crash all you have to do is backup the first HDD and copy back the mails from AccountX and sort them (manually). But none of the email will be lost... After a backup, if you wish, you may delete mails from AccountX. ) -- Vili Current version is 3.51 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Exporting all emails from address book
Hello alien, a There is an option to export the address book to several formats. The a problem is that it only exports the first email. If an entry has a several emails only the first is exported. a Is there any way around this? I'm trying to make a text list of all my a known emails to include in the Bayes Filter Plugin whitelist. Select all the emails and File, Export, Selected... -- Vili Current version is 3.51 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Account selector
Hello tbudl, Tell me if you click on a mailto: link on a website and none of your account is selected as Use this account for mailto: links in the Account, Properties, General tab; then how the mail is created in your TB!? Could you please try with TB! running and not running? At me, v3.51 or 2.12, the last used account will be the source account of the mail... At one of my friend an account selector window pops up to ask him to select an account... I cannot reproduce it :( -- Vili Current version is 3.51 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Exporting all emails from address book
Hello Roelof, a There is an option to export the address book to several formats. The a problem is that it only exports the first email. If an entry has a several emails only the first is exported. a Is there any way around this? I'm trying to make a text list of all my a known emails to include in the Bayes Filter Plugin whitelist. TBS Select all the emails and File, Export, Selected... RO I'm not sure you can achieve what Alien wants. Picking your sequence RO gives us all selected entries, but those entries that carry multiple RO addresses won't be exported with all addresses like he wants, but only RO with their primary address. RO At least that is what I'm getting when I'm trying it. I misunderstood. Two workarounds: 1. Save as VCF and pick the emails out of the file. 2. Address book, File, Print, Address list. Select some PDF writer and you can extract the text from the PDF, or select some Text only printer and redirect the output to a file... -- Vili Current version is 3.51 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, B I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B set up the Bayesit plug in. B I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B 30? Yes, it is known, unfortunately. Hopefully v3.51 will be out soon. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP setup
Hello Stuart, SC Could someone advise as to whether I should be using the following SC with IMAP in The Bat. SC Account/Preferences/Mail Management SC Root Folder _ SC For pre-defined folders use these IMAP mailboxes. SC Outbox _ SC Sentmail _ SC Trash_ SC If I use these what are the ramifications? If you assign the Outbox, Sentmail and Trash to a server side mailbox (from the pulldown menu), then these kind of mails (Outbox, etc.) will be stored on the server, and not locally in TB!. The difference is obvious, right? So, then you can see them from everywhere. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing attachments embedded in message
Hello Jon, JP I have all my attachments stored within the message bodies. My JP message base is becoming really large and I would like to retain JP the text portion of the messages for archival purposes. Is there a JP way to remove attachments by using The Bat? I would rather not use JP an additional program such as Mailbag Assistant if I can manage JP this with The Bat. - Set the account to store the attachments separately - Export all mails from a folder to a Unix mailbox format file - Delete the mails from that folder - Import back the mails from the file to this directory repeat it for all folders, set the mail unread If you are lazy :), then just move the mails to an other folder outside of the account, Set the account to store the attachments separately, and move them back to their original place :) (no need for export, import) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Strip attachments
Hello Gerard, G ON Thursday, July 7, 2005, 10:49:37 PM, you wrote: JP Thanks for the reply Chris. I guess I didn't explain very clearly. See JP my newer post. I am interested in deleting all attachments from a JP rather large message base. G I never tried this but this might work: :)) It does not. Because: G - make a backup and select to keep the attachments separate from the email G - Restore the backup Restoring backup restores also the info that attachments is stored internally (overwrite the change to store separately that you did after the backup). Try it :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP setup
Hello Allie (and original questioner), I often see Allie talking about problems using a server side Outbox. I assume this is not a problem for Sentmail and Trash. AM No. Those others work fine server side. Could you write me in private, Allie, what is the problem with the Outbox?It seems, that we will solve the counter/auto connect/disconnect problem soon (see my todays mail to TBBETA), so then I will check this Outbox problem out in details. Yes I see that it would be useful, however, I don't think the Trash part is working correctly. It does not seem to delete as expected. The mail only seems to get marked for deletion and not deleted unless you specifically compress the folder. I think this is one of Tony's complaints. It compress just fine if you have a continuous connection (dont use Auto disconnect after x time (Properties, Mail management) yet, we are working to fix that part, I think we are pretty close) and set Compress when changing folders at Account, Properties, IMAP fine tune. Also, when Managing folders (right click on the account name) set the Synchronization ON for all or your subscribed folders (I would suggest to set Subscribe and Synchronize for your IMAP server side Inbox, Outbox, Sent, Trash folders). This way for me, compressing seems to work fine. Mulberry (Tony's favorite) delete the mail immediately, that is why TB! is different for Tony... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selective download, Manual filter only
Hello all, Sorting Office, Selective Download filters, Options pane: Use this filter for manual re-filtering only... Isnt it a bug? I mean how can someone invoke a Selective download filter? And why would he do that? Am I overlooking something? Thx for answers! As I get the digest version, for this question I would appreciate if CC come to private :) I am anxious to learn the purpose of this setting :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler question
JH I'm trying to get the Scheduler to create/send an email. I'd like to JH send the same email once a month. I want to address it to my JH secretary and BCC a group of people from my address book. JH I've tried it a couple of ways. JH I put her address and the group in the specific address box and JH checked send secondary addresses as BCC. When the test email was JH generated and saved in my outbox as a draft, only her address showed JH up. No BCC group was generated, even when I hit F9 and looked at the JH detailed headers. JH I used the Linking function to link to her address in the TO: and the JH group in the BCC. When I did that, I couldn't even get the test email JH to generate on schedule. JH I tried putting a macro command in the text to BCC to the group, but JH that didn't work either. JH Is there a way to do this that I'm overlooking? Try this: put YOUR address in the BCC and send it out, even you dont see your address there. Test it this way. If you get it, it works. BCC does not show up in the header. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Preview pane font changing [fixed in .31 as it seems]
MS I just wrote: I have a problem with the font in the preview pane sometimes changing. MS ...before I saw there is a new beta out. This seemed to have fixed the MS problem. ... and introduced some more... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Latest 3.0.x version
Hello Thomas, TF On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:47:56 GMT GMT (21/06/2005, 20:47 +0700 GMT), TF Vili wrote: V So, what you guys consider the latest, most reliable v3.0.x version? TF I use 3.0.1.33 in the office. That has LNG file problems. V For me, it was 3.0.1.33, until I found out that the Filters sections V cannot be translated to Hungarian. So, I upgraded to 3.0.2.1, but V it has bugs that even I can catch :) TF Try 3.5.30, as the language problem is supposed to have been solved. TF I'd like to hear your input! I am using 3.0.2.10 now. It seems to be stable. I am only TESTING :) 3.5.x on an other machine, so far I dont use it as my active client... I have asked you the question, because I expanding the v2.12 manual for the v3.0 series, and wanted to know, which one should I consider as the program version. Thank you, and sorry, that I double posted the question. I dont know, how it happened. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Latest 3.0.x version
Hello Mary, MB Additionally, several other important fixes have been made in 3.5.31, MB although it hasn't yet been released to the TBBETA testers. I expect MB it, or a later-numbered version with further improvements and fixes, MB to be offered later today. (Just my own speculation, given two recent MB posts--yesterday--by Maxim Masiutin on TBBETA, yesterday.) I know, I am on beta, too :))) Thanks, Mary. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Latest 3.0.x version
Miroslav wrote: In version v3.0.2.10 the color groups are represented correctly. So, what you guys consider the latest, most reliable v3.0.x version? For me, it was 3.0.1.33, until I found out that the Filters sections cannot be translated to Hungarian. So, I upgraded to 3.0.2.1, but it has bugs that even I can catch :) I checked the 3.0.2.x beta line, I cannot pick one of them :) So, please share your thougths with me! Thank you in advance, -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[8]: help with selective download
V I know that, but instead of this, I offered an other solution. I V just wanted to point out that David (the original question V asker) wrote that : Of course, I've set it up this way and it V works perfectly and wondrously. And email sent to both of us is V also being downloaded by both of us, which is especially V wonderful. It was not mentioned before, that the dual-recipient V mails stays on the server... DH I have The Bat! set to keep email on the server for a number of days. DH And I assume that since I'm having the email of both of us sent to one DH fastmail.fm account, that the fastmail.fm must be getting two copies DH of any email sent to both of us (though i don't know that for sure, DH and even though the fastmail.fm inbox doesn't show it when I check it DH through the browser, it seems to make sense that there are two copies DH of the email). Start Mail Dispatcher and check it. You dont have to guess... :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: help with selective download
DH Stuart Cuddy wrote: SC Could you not set the filter to: Recipient Does Not Contain SC [EMAIL PROTECTED] then Ignore. DH Ah, well, that is so utterly an obvious solution that I am most DH embarrassed. Of course, I've set it up this way and it works DH perfectly and wondrously. And email sent to both of us is also DH being downloaded by both of us, which is especially wonderful. How can it work for emails that is sent to both of you? As the above rule is false of emails sent to both of you, person1 will download it. How can person2 download it then later? If your setup is symmetric, the download cannot be symmetric as the ACCESS TIME (when you check your mail) is not symmetric... Information theory :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: help with selective download
Hello Stuart, V How can it work for emails that is sent to both of you? V As the above rule is false of emails sent to both of you, person1 will V download it. How can person2 download it then later? If your setup is V symmetric, the download cannot be symmetric as the ACCESS TIME (when V you check your mail) is not symmetric... Information theory SC You can just set it to leave a copy on the server. Then set it for SC Leave for x days and it will be deleted after that period of time. I know that, but instead of this, I offered an other solution. I just wanted to point out that David (the original question asker) wrote that : Of course, I've set it up this way and it works perfectly and wondrously. And email sent to both of us is also being downloaded by both of us, which is especially wonderful. It was not mentioned before, that the dual-recipient mails stays on the server... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help with selective download
DH So I am [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I have my filter set to ignore all DH email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DH My office mate, [EMAIL PROTECTED], has hers set to ignore all email to DH [EMAIL PROTECTED] DH Mostly this works perfectly, except for when someone sends email to DH both of us - then The Bat! on both our computer ignores it, and DH neither of us downloads it, which has caused some problems today. It is easy to solve: Your Selective download filter should look like: Ignore if Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] AND Recipient does not contain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your coworker's Selective download filter should look like: Ignore if Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] AND Recipient does not contain [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, if you get a mail that is sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] AND [EMAIL PROTECTED], the quickest person will download it, so, you have to setup an incoming filter to redirect this kind of mails: Your Incoming filter (move to the top and make it Continue processing with other filters... check) should look like: If Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] then Redirect message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your coworker's Incoming filter (move to the top and make it Continue processing with other filters... check) should look like: If Recipient contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] then Redirect message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro for sending email with High Importance
D Whats the macro for this? I know there is one but dont see it in the D macro list. PRIORITY = H/N/L set the message priority to High/Normal/Low -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Antivirus plugins for Nod32?
You don't need plugin for NOD32, if You don't want to check - digitally signed/encrypted messages - partially downloaded messages (message splitted to more parts) - messages downloaded via secured connection (SSL/TLS) in these cases, IMON is not able to check messages and only way to do this is use plugin developed by Ritlabs, which is in beta stage now. You can download it here for example: http://www.thebat.cz/stazeni/beta/nod32.rar (50kB) D Thanks. Ill have to follow up on the link. I dont know... Hungarian users said its kind of buggy plugin. DrWeb, AVG and avast is the reliable plugins. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Themes dont vary a whole lot from what I see
D I finally got around to taking a look at all the different themes for D TB. The majority of the ones I see dont offer all that much change. D All the changes are very slight. I guess Im used to themes for other D programs where everything is altered sometimes drastically. That is called Skins. Here you add only some extra to the default color scheme of your Windows settings. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hungarian manual
Is there an English manual anywhere? M Perhaps it will translate with something like M http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Hungarianto=English I have tried: as expected, the Hungarian language is too complicated for a translator software :) It works for I love you, Darling, but I have tried a simple sentence and it failed totally -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hungarian manual
Hello MFPA, Some short descriptions: - how to store the mails at more than one HDD/partition all the time (even if one HDD crash, absolutely no mail will be lost) M Sounds interesting - Make a new account (AccountX) with some false email address, set the home directory on the 2nd HDD - AccountX properties: Ignore Check all account request - Setup folders in AccountX with every other account's name - Setup a filter in every other account that the incoming and outgoing mails will have a copy in the corresponding AccountX folders So, if you make frequent backups, after a HDD crash all you have to do is backup the first HDD and copy back the mails from AccountX and sort them (manually). But none of the email will be lost... After a backup, if you wish, you may delete mails from AccountX. - how can more than one TB! run at the same PC without changing Windows user profiles M I thought it couldn't (unless using windows run as feature). In the new v3 there is this reg: commandline parameter, right? But this method works with v1, also: - Lets say TB! is stored in C:\Program files\The Bat! - It has a reg key at HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! A. So you have v1 on the PC, but you would like to try v2? - Rename C:\Program files\The Bat! to C:\Program files\The Bat!v1 - Rename HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! to HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!v1 - Install v2 to C:\Program files\The Bat! and try - If you would like to temporarily switch back to v1, do this: - Rename C:\Program files\The Bat! to C:\Program files\The Bat!v2 - Rename HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! to HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!v2 - Rename C:\Program files\The Bat!v1 to C:\Program files\The Bat! - Rename HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!v1 to HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! OR B. If you would like to try v2 as an non-final upgrade from v1: - Copy!! C:\Program files\The Bat! to C:\Program files\The Bat!v1 - Rename HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! to HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!v1 - Install v2 to C:\Program files\The Bat! (upgrade) and try - If you would like to temporarily switch back to v1, do this: - Rename C:\Program files\The Bat! to C:\Program files\The Bat!v2 - Rename HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! to HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!v2 - Rename C:\Program files\The Bat!v1 to C:\Program files\The Bat! - Rename HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat!v1 to HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! To keep the mails from downloading in each version, and other small issues: I leave it for your intelligence :) - how to speed up TB! startup dramatically by hiding old mails but keeping them always accessible M Again, sounds interesting. My folder for this list currently M contains over 11000 messages and takes about 4 seconds and another M with 4000 takes about 3 quarters of a second to load. - Make a new account (AccountX) with some false email address - AccountX properties: Ignore Check all account request - Setup an access password (for example 1 :) for it) - Move your unnecessary mails to some folders of AccountX If you startup TB!, AccountX is closed, so its mails wont be loaded, so: faster startup! But whenever you need a mail from it, open it with the password and get the mail. :) PS.: With some same technique it is possible to password protect TB! startup. The point is to setup an account group and make this access protected false email AccountX the administrator. So, for the startup you need the password, but you dont need to open this account over and over again when TB! is started (that is why it is better to have an AccountX as administrator than a normal, active account. If you password access an active account, you need the password once you close the active account. Yes, you need password to open AccountX, but as you dont read its mails, you dont really have to open it...) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: archiving emails in pdf
S Is there any way to export emails in format that preserves/has some S look-n-feel with embedded attachements. S I would like archives my all mails in single pdf file. I have tried to print them into PDF, but it did not work... The text of the HTML mail was printed over the background (perfect), but the text background was white (bad...). -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hungarian manual
I don't know if there is Hungarian users here, but it wont hurt: Following v1.62, the Hungarian PDF manual for TB! v2.12 is ready. (v3.0.1.33 is on its was as is v3.5.25) Users may download it from www.thebat.hu , 311 pages (so think before hit the Print button :) I hope it is detailed enought to understand all settings and possibilities. I advise to read the Tips and tricks to learn, for example: - how to store the mails at more than one HDD/partition all the time (even if one HDD crash, absolutely no mail will be lost) - how to password protect TB! when it starts up - how can more than one TB! run at the same PC without changing Windows user profiles - how to speed up TB! startup dramatically by hiding old mails but keeping them always accessible Cheers, -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hungarian manual
JP Is there an English manual anywhere? I have read on this or the beta list, that they are working on the English 3.5 manual. But the English FAQ also have a PDF version, that I saw. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples. I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it :) M The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission M forms template? By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is all. After that: Options, Submission forms. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Background color and Key Assignments
Anyone know how to change the background color of the folder tabs and message list? M Folder tabs, dunno. Same way. You can assign color groups to folder tabs, also. Right click, Special... I learnt it here :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
M The theory is clear but how do you actually add/use a submission M forms template? By hand. So you write it in the editor, digitally signed it and that is all. After that: Options, Submission forms. M I had not previously noticed that entry in the Options menu. How M do you activate it? (It is greyed out at the moment.) I dont know... It was always active for me. I am using v3.0.1.33 now. But I dont think, that it should not work in v3.5. Hmm... Second thought. Maybe it is inactive out as you dont have a PGP key in your PGP depot. PGP is needed for Submission forms. So, make a PGP key and come back with the result! -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Background color and Key Assignments
M Folder tabs, dunno. Same way. You can assign color groups to folder tabs, also. Right click, Special... I learnt it here :) M I can do that to entries in the folder list/tree M but the tabs have no right-click menu (here at least). NOW I see yor problem. Right click on the Desktop, Properties, Appearance... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is it worth upgrading to v3.5.25?
RA Now that v3.5.25 has been released, can anyone volunteer an opinion RA about whether it is worth upgrading from v3.0.1.33? Are there any RA significant bugs, issues or other annoyances still left in it? My answer would simple: dont upgrade, yet. -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
Seem interesting, but I can't find anything in the help file about them. M Yes, there is some info in Help. I don't know if enough, but there is M some, even about Form templates. Just search Help for 'forms'. There is more than enough info about them in the help, with examples. I have made the Hungarian translation of that, so even I understood it :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Submission Forms?
M They are not new. Mentioned in the help file for v3.0.1.33 and I'm M sure I read it in v2 when I first installed TB! It was even in v1 :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: folder corrupted, repaired but msgs missing?!
Hello Cory, C The check/repair process on a corrupted folder (a 310 MB .TBB file) C recovered only part of the contents (25 MB), and wrote a PART0001.BIN C file of 284 MB. C This PART0001.BIN seems to hold the messages in plain text format, but C how can/should I further work with this file to recover as much C content as possible? I send it in private also, as I guess this is an urgent problem. I have seen these cases before and managed to get back the mails from it :) So, heads up :) This is what you have to do: - _copy_ (dont move) the PART0001.BIN to somewhere, just to have a backup - make a new folder in TB! - rename PART0001.BIN to PART0001.TBB - import the mails from PART0001.TBB using Tools, Import messages, TBB files. Enjoy your mails. (Move the mails wherever you want, organize them, etc.) These BIN files are created when TBB files are compressed, PART0001, PART0002, etc. I know, there is a bug somewhere in the code. If you remember my previous mails on Compress folders on exit, etc, this is why I wanted to take a look at the code... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt 0.8.1
It's a piece of crap... I should have made a Hungarian description for the 0.8.1, I have tried to install new LNG file, no success at me and some other buddies. At some guy it has changed to Hungarian, but after restart, it is English again. Was it ever tested? -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what's new in 3.5.0.17 ?
AdG Rule of thumb: all versions with two or more dots are Beta AdG versions. The last stable before 3.5 was 3.0.1.33... :) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: HTML + pictures
How can I display/insert a picture automatically? I'm not talking about the attachment macro but really showing it. I can doe this manually by starting a new message and selecting type HTML. From the toolbar that then appears I can use the insert function. ASK You can not use HTML in templates, only plain text. To really show a ASK picture you would need an HTML template. It is true. Maybe a little trick will solve Tony's immediate need, partly: create a new HTML mail, that includes the pic, also. Make a new folder and store it there. Anytime you need this kind of mail just copy a copy :)) of that mail into your outbox and start editing... Yes, you cannot apply macros, but at least you have a HTML type template... -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: file extension on attached files in received mail
a When I receive an e-mail with an attached document, I am unable to a directly open the document with a double click because the file name a for the document has a .aq exentension that is added to the file a name. This extension is added automatically to all received mail. a (Thus, in order to open the document I am forced to first save it to a my hard drive and then open it. This is a waste of time) From the Main screen: Options, Preferences (Settings?), Warnings panel, set (if you want) the attach open/warning conditions to your need. (Sorry, I have v3 running and Hungarian v1 manual, so maybe I dont remember the menu names correctly. But you will find it.) -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
JG I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG stuff that isn't junk :-( JG Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG aggressive? Yes: start to use BayesFilter. The newer and newer BayesIt always comes out with errors. Our observation is that the errors are fixed in the new versions, but you get new errors in return :) :(. Give a try to BayesFilter and you will never go back to BayesIt :)). See here: http://www.lkcc.org/achim/thebat/readme.htm -- Vili Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Horizontal line under account names in v3.5
Hello MFPA, You know, I kinda like something to separate the different accounts M Colour groups do the job nicely. See attached. ?? I did not get anything attached. Could you send me in private (I dont know the list rules about attachments) the attached pic? Thanks, -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
BayesIt v0.81 translation
Hello Ritlabs and all, We have translated v0.81 BayesIt to Hungarian. But there is an annoying thing: If we change the language back to English, it is not possible to change it back to Hungarian. If I delete the [Plugins] Count=1 Plugin #1=E:\Data\The Bat!\bayesit\bayesit.tbp [Plugin Data] Plugin #1=:VUJQUy... and a lot of characters from TBPlugin.INI, it starts up in Hungarian again. Could someone explain 1. what happens here? 2. why is plugin data store its info ecnrypted? Thank you in advance. I am sending this mail from webmail, I dont know what will be attached to the end of the mail, or what will be the Reply-To... Sorry. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: FastMail IMAP: How to really delete messages?
PH Additionally you may want to check Compress all folders on exit in Account PH properties/Options. I dont advise it. I have many input from TB users. I have observed ONLY two ways to lose mails: 1. Compress on exit checked in Inbox properties 2. Compress all folders on exit in Account/Properties These two ways sooner or later will result in confusion in the Inbox folder and lose of mails. Sometimes I can get the mails back (there are some temp files in the Inbox directory), 90% it is not possible. Before anybody writes that I am using this settings for years, no problem': we, you, the members of this list have advanced computers, and we KNOW the system we are using, maintaining them, etc.. I observed mail loss when the user has somewhat older computer, not too much RAM, or a lot of software is running at the same time on an advanced PC. Anyway, I always advise Hungarian users to switch off these settings and do the compression manually. I have tried to convince Ritlabs about this matter, even offered my Delphi experience to check the code regarding this part of the program, but not too much feedback... I am losing business because of this bug... -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
DH the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which DH IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always DH do). No, just the paranoids have to do it. I have nothing to hide. You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during your life. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: FastMail IMAP: How to really delete messages?
Hello Roelof, TBS I dont advise it. RO Actually, that's up to you. Yes, I know. TBS I have many input from TB users. I have observed ONLY two ways to lose TBS mails: TBS 1. Compress on exit checked in Inbox properties TBS 2. Compress all folders on exit in Account/Properties RO The most common reason for losing mail as I have observed it, is RO 'not compressing' any folders. Whether you compress folders RO automatically or manually doesn't matter very much, but it's the RO unlimited growth of of folders without compressing at all that RO does most damage, especially when we're discussing the inbox. As you see, I advise USE the manual compression. 100%, again: 100% of the users have lost their mail in cases 1 or 2. None has lost emails, because they did not compress mails. Believe me, they would complain immediately. I am sure, when closing TB there must be rare cases when you can lose mails. And I have contact with a lot of users, so statistically I see these things happen. If I see well so far, the bug is between the creation of the new, compressed file with some temporary name and the deletion of the old, uncompressed TBB file. That is why I wanted to take a look at that code closely. But I accept, Ritlabs does not want to show me that. When I will have time, I will setup a Bat on an other machine and run some batch that would start TB, import a mail to the Inbox, close the program with Compress at exit and start the whole routine automatically. If I observe mail loss, I will do this on different machines, maybe have some observation coming out of this experience. RO However, we were discussing IMAP folders and I don't think that RO TB's compressing routines really count as each IMAP server stores RO its stuff differently, so I highly suspect that the server's RO compressing routines are used. Sorry, I should have mentioned, that I just wanted to write this precaution stuff FYI, only. When I started to caution users for this fact, I dont have complains anymore :))) I just wanted to share my experience with the group. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
language files
I did not know, where to send it, but as I see Stefan (Tanurkov) here, I decided to post it here: We are translating the new v.3.5 LNG file to Hungarian. My suggestion would be to Ritlabs that when you change something in the interface that needs some translation, you should have a webpage (a single page), that would contain _every_ text (like English.lnc) as link, and clicking that link would jump to a screenshot showing the place where that text is used in the program... With this new format of v3.5 LNG file I know, that some text is reused many part of the program, in that case that text would appear multiple times on that webpage linked to the different screenshots... Sorry, this issue maybe is not _directly_ related to the use of TB, but indirectly it is. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving Folders Around in Account Tree
DAC Time was when you could hold down the ALT key and drag folders. That DAC doesn't seem to work any more with 3.5. PO Doesn't seem to be a problem here. PO But, are you ALT-LMB-ing on the icon or or the name? PO ALT-LMB-ing on the icon won't work (here), on the name it will. Be careful with this. Sometimes, if you move around your folders too quickly, your folder structure can be messed up! -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Horizontal line under account names in v3.5
Dear Ritlabs, If I can post a question/request about that horizontal line in v3.5 under the account names: how can I eliminate that? Make a poll, (I made), 70% of the users find it annoying... If it is not possible to eliminate that line, please make it possible to eliminate in the next release. Thank you for reading, -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message Editor
SC Is it possible to print from the Smartbat? If so, how? Every Pad is a content of a file. If your Pad is called Whatever, then you will find a Whatever.txt in your MAIL directory. Open in any text editor or Word, and print it. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Message base encryption
Dear Mary, Julien, Hank, Thank you for your answers! MB An unrelated request to you: could you change your name in the MB To/From field, please? It's uncomfortable addressing you as The Sorry for that confusion, I will write a macro for it to exchange my header if I write this list. I am support for Hungarian users, and this is the email I answer them from. Maybe it was a bad choice to choose this email address for this list... -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Links in HTML mails
Hi everyone, I got some HTML mails, that are digests of electronic lists. They contain local references/links, e.g. a href=#whatever and a name=whatever. The Bat! does not jump to the corresponding reference when I click on the link... I am using v3.0.1.33. Anyone any idea? Thanks in advance! -- Vili Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SMTP problem solved
Hello Peter and Alexander, TBs I am happy, that you also learnt something from this case :))) TBs If nothing else, than this: if you don't have anything to say, TBs please be quiet. Peter: PP *erm* OK. Guess you're the right one to distinguish if I've PP anything to say or not. Thanks for your advice, you might have PP prevented me from ending in a dead-end street because of me saying PP things albeit I haven't to say any ... Alexander: ASKWith comments like this, I'd say you have to start with yourself. I reflected the _tone_ of Peter's email. Read it again: Well, if server is OK and address is OK and server moans about address, either one must be not OK. Quite obvious, isn't it? Quite obvious, isn't it? Do you feel the tone? I reflected to this _tone_... Not your first sentence. -- Vili Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Was I dreaming...?
Sometime earlier this year there was an email about a version of TB that would run from a memory stick. U This definitely rang a bell. So I did some searching and found The Bat! U Voyager U http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=725phrase_id=745609 Unfortunately, you did not find TBV, you found an article about it... :( Vili Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SMTP problem
Hello Roelof, TBS SMTP server is ok, the recipient email is ok, I get back this message: TBS 500 invalid domain name RO When you're sure about those two, my guess would be that you're using RO the wrong from address. ??? What does it exactly mean? This address I am sending from is valid. Is not it possible, that some error on the SMTP server cause this error message? Vili Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SMTP problem
SMTP server is ok, the recipient email is ok, I get back this message: 500 invalid domain name What can be the problem? Vili Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
