Re: [TBUDL] Anonymous emails?
No, I don't fear anybody, I've nothing to hide when I'm sending an e-mail. But you just said you want to hide your IP address! -- jhk Current version is 3.5.0.17 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Jonathan, On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 6:36:29 PM Jonathan [JA] wrote: Still leaves the question: Where is the black hole located *if* somebody enables this security feature? I have a theory this black hole is a few inches in front of the monitor, between a pair of human ears ;-) JA hehe... trying to work out if that is a joke on me or not ;) Not on you :-) More directed to those people who think they can black hole their existence in the Internet ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) We have them exactly where they want us. (cmdr James T. Kirk) Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Dick, On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 6:29:48 PM Dick [DH] wrote: DH I'm not trying to hide myself in this case..I'm just behind a DH firewall to protect my PC... As long as this ain't the only protection thing you're establishing ;-) DH like (hopefully) many firewall users are trying to accomplish. *cough* May god save your optimism *cough* ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Just because there are a few good apples, it doesn't mean that the rest aren't rotten through and through. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Alexander, On Mon, 23 May 2005 18:59:13 +0200 GMT (23/05/2005, 23:59 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy. ASK Are you so sure about that... ? Yes. Now there is the question whether there are any democracies around... (Wasn't this thread moved to TBOT?) -- Cheers, Thomas. T-bones 85 cents. With meat $5.95. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Jonathan, On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 5:30:54 AM Jonathan [JA] wrote: I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... SMN ...are you really sure you are invisible... He is! I bet he blocks packets of type ICMP Echo request and drops them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust me!1!eins!elf!! ;-) JA *coughs* black hole *coughs*... JA Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as JA having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear JA as a black hole sucking in the packets ;) Really? You mean the absence of information *is* information? ;-) Something like if the router in front of him doesn't tell me he's not there, he cough*IS*cough there!?! ;-) Still leaves the question: Where is the black hole located *if* somebody enables this security feature? I have a theory this black hole is a few inches in front of the monitor, between a pair of human ears ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Zimmerman's Law of Complaints: Nobody notices when things go right. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Anonymous emails?
Hello Jonathan, On 23 May 2005 at 22:30:54 GMT -0500 (which was 05:30:54 where I live), Jonathan Angliss wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of Anonymous emails?: Hi Peter Palmreuther, On Sunday, May 22, 2005, you wrote: Hello St, On Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 5:40:50 PM St [SMN] wrote: I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... SMN ...are you really sure you are invisible... He is! I bet he blocks packets of type ICMP Echo request and drops them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust me!1!eins!elf!! ;-) *coughs* black hole *coughs*... Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear as a black hole sucking in the packets ;) I'm not trying to hide myself in this case..I'm just behind a firewall to protect my PC...like (hopefully) many firewall users are trying to accomplish. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Actual Test Answers Music Teachers Have Recieved, #22: The concertmaster of an orchestra is always the person who sits in the first chair of the first violins. This means that when a person is elected concertmaster, he has to hurry up and learn how to play a violin real good. Using The Bat! v3.5.0.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hi Peter Palmreuther, On Monday, May 23, 2005, you wrote: Hello Jonathan, On Monday, May 23, 2005 at 5:30:54 AM Jonathan [JA] wrote: I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... SMN ...are you really sure you are invisible... He is! I bet he blocks packets of type ICMP Echo request and drops them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust me!1!eins!elf!! ;-) JA *coughs* black hole *coughs*... JA Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as JA having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear JA as a black hole sucking in the packets ;) Really? You mean the absence of information *is* information? ;-) Something like if the router in front of him doesn't tell me he's not there, he cough*IS*cough there!?! ;-) If he has access to control the router in front of him, that probably means he is using a small network (or even a business network), and the IP addresses behind are probably no routable... or he works for his service provider, and can control them at a higher level. If that is the case, then sure, if he can get them to report the host doesn't exist then you really cannot tell without more testing than ICMP echo requests. But if he's blocking on just the firewall, then the complete absence of information *is* information ;) Still leaves the question: Where is the black hole located *if* somebody enables this security feature? I have a theory this black hole is a few inches in front of the monitor, between a pair of human ears ;-) hehe... trying to work out if that is a joke on me or not ;) -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp9oErCpaF1o.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else, on 23-Mai-2005 at 06:01 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: V You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face V yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during V your life. Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy. Are you so sure about that... ? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When I sell liquor, its called bootlegging; when my patrons serve it on Lake Shore Drive, its called hospitality. -- Al Capone Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hallo Vili, On Mon, 23 May 2005 13:39:28 +0200GMT (23-5-2005, 13:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TBS Dick is living, I guess, in the Netherlands. That should be considered TBS democracy. Don't know that for sure. I've heard things about a referendum, but the final vote of Parliament is known already. -- Groetjes, Roelof Evolution: God's way of issuing updates. The Bat! 3.5 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts, server on LAN pgp4w8hII69LR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Anonymous emails?
Hello, I want to use TheBat! reading and sending my emails through an anonymous proxy server to hide my IP address. Is there anybody who has set up a similar environment? Note that is is not for sending massive spam mails but I'd like to hide my IP address when I'm using the Internet, i.e. I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) and that keeps no logs of what I'm doing, where I've been, etc. Now I'm looking for a way to remove the IP address from the e-mails I sent or change it into an anonymous one. Best regards, Dick -- I got pulled over by a cop, and he said, 'do you know the speed limit here is 55 miles per hour?'. So I said, 'oh, that's OK, I'm not going that far.'-- Steven Wright Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] Anonymous emails?
I want to use TheBat! reading and sending my emails through an anonymous proxy server to hide my IP address. Is there anybody who has set up a similar environment? Sending by the way of a non-traceable IP is prone to blocked mail. Most ISPs would probably think twice before accepting you to open and complete a session with their mail servers if they can't see from where your mail is really coming. Be aware of a number of 553 We do not relay errors (Returned Mail) from the mail server you will have to use. Note that is is not for sending massive spam mails... If you are sending by the way of some similar environment, I would think about it to be a service that is often abused to send massive spam mails that have non- traceable and their IP-range might be listed as a spammer's haven... What good is that? I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... ...are you really sure you are invisible... ...that keeps no logs of what I'm doing, where I've been, etc. That's what you think? There are _always_ traces. Question is: Who is looking for you? If you need an hidden IP because of fun or some personal privacy, then no-one will propably bother (although you would likely get problems with mail servers here and there, as I said). If you need a hidden IP to get rid of people because of possible controversy connected to what you use the IP for, then either a Legal Department of other means of services/persons will eventually be able to trace you. Gotta ask why someone seeing your IP is something to fear? -- St Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Dick, On Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 4:50:58 PM Dick [DH] wrote: DH I want to use TheBat! reading and sending my emails through DH an anonymous proxy server to hide my IP address. You'd need to know an anonymous SMTP proxy and an anonymous POP3 proxy which you could configure as your SMTP- and POP3-server. Or, for SMTP only you might want to use anonymous remailer services, so called Mixmasters. This kind of remailer-net won't, of course, work for POP3, but to be honest: why would you want to hide your IP-address from POP3 server in exchange for giving an absolute foreigner your POP3 username and password (the proxy !will! get them, as you send them through the proxy)? To find anonymous remailers use your preferred search engine, some URIs I've found (I don't know about the quality of the content) are: http://www.freehaven.net/links/related-comm.html http://www.andrebacard.com/remail.html http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net/ http://www.quicksilvermail.net/ http://anonymous.to/ -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Anal retentive people don't give a crap. Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello St, On Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 5:40:50 PM St [SMN] wrote: I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... SMN ...are you really sure you are invisible... He is! I bet he blocks packets of type ICMP Echo request and drops them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust me!1!eins!elf!! ;-) SIRCNR ;-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2) Lord, give me chastity. But not yet. - St. Augustine Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Dick, On Sun, 22 May 2005 16:50:58 +0200 GMT (22/05/2005, 21:50 +0700 GMT), Dick Hoogendoorn wrote: DH I want to use TheBat! reading and sending my emails through DH an anonymous proxy server to hide my IP address. Is there anybody DH who has set up a similar environment? Not here. DH Note that is is not for sending massive spam mails but I'd DH like to hide my IP address when I'm using the Internet, That's OK. But it is not up to TB but the SMTP server you are using. -- Cheers, Thomas. Bruno Labbadia (Karlsruher SC): Das wird alles von den Medien hochsterilisiert. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hi Dick, On Sun, 22 May 2005, at 16:50:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:50 AM where I live) you wrote: If I'm browsing the DH web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally DH hides my identify (IP address) and that keeps no logs of what I'm DH doing, where I've been, etc. I'm confused... 127.0.0.1 is your local machine. Which by the way is a non-routable address. So, your local machine still has to connect to the internet somewhere (ADSL / cable modem / dial-up) which means you are assigned an IP address by your ISP. Since you have to authenticate to your ISP they have records of which IP was assigned to you and what time / date. If you are not using an anonymizer service beyond that then every website you go to has the IP address assigned to you by your ISP. I'm not seeing where you're anonymous or hiding you IP. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A bad random number generator: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4.33e+67, 1, 1, 1 Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [TBUDL] Anonymous emails?
Hello St, On 22 May 2005 at 17:40:50 GMT +0200 (which was 17:40:50 where I live), St - Musaic.Net wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of [TBUDL] Anonymous emails?: I want to use TheBat! reading and sending my emails through an anonymous proxy server to hide my IP address. Is there anybody who has set up a similar environment? Sending by the way of a non-traceable IP is prone to blocked mail. Most ISPs would probably think twice before accepting you to open and complete a session with their mail servers if they can't see from where your mail is really coming. Be aware of a number of 553 We do not relay errors (Returned Mail) from the mail server you will have to use. Note that is is not for sending massive spam mails... If you are sending by the way of some similar environment, I would think about it to be a service that is often abused to send massive spam mails that have non- traceable and their IP-range might be listed as a spammer's haven... What good is that? I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... ...are you really sure you are invisible... ...that keeps no logs of what I'm doing, where I've been, etc. That's what you think? There are _always_ traces. Question is: Who is looking for you? If you need an hidden IP because of fun or some personal privacy, then no-one will propably bother (although you would likely get problems with mail servers here and there, as I said). If you need a hidden IP to get rid of people because of possible controversy connected to what you use the IP for, then either a Legal Department of other means of services/persons will eventually be able to trace you. Gotta ask why someone seeing your IP is something to fear? No, I don't fear anybody, I've nothing to hide when I'm sending an e-mail. Yet, I think there is too much personal information in the message header and that is something I don't like. I'm using a tunneler to surf on the Internet, not that I have to hide anything but nobody needs to know where I've been, the website I've visited and I hate the idea that sometimes, just by accident or popup, you are directed to a website where they can obtain quite some information of you. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Cannot open file D:\Documents and Settings\Dick\Application Data\tagzilla-en.txt Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Leif, On 22 May 2005 at 14:21:37 GMT -0600 (which was 22:21:37 where I live), Leif Gregory wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of OT: Re: Anonymous emails?: Hi Dick, On Sun, 22 May 2005, at 16:50:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:50 AM where I live) you wrote: If I'm browsing the DH web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally DH hides my identify (IP address) and that keeps no logs of what I'm DH doing, where I've been, etc. I'm confused... 127.0.0.1 is your local machine. Which by the way is a non-routable address. So, your local machine still has to connect to the internet somewhere (ADSL / cable modem / dial-up) which means you are assigned an IP address by your ISP. Since you have to authenticate to your ISP they have records of which IP was assigned to you and what time / date. If you are not using an anonymizer service beyond that then every website you go to has the IP address assigned to you by your ISP. I'm not seeing where you're anonymous or hiding you IP. Yes, the proxy address I've specified in my webbrowser is 127.0.0.1 as I'm using a secured and encrypted tunnel to an external server which is sometimes in Germany, The Netherlands or the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always do). By doing this, my web behaviour is even invisible for my ISP as they only see an encrypted tunnel to this external server. Recently I've read some horror stories that ISPs are not very secure with your websurf details..you probably don't know (and maybe you don't even want to know) what they know about you.. Anyway, I also have a totally anonymous e-mail address you can absolutely not figure out where it has been sent from other than the server, but the IP address doesn't mean anything: Received: from mailvault.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.mailvault.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED594D36427 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 22 May 2005 22:18:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19341 invoked from network); 22 May 2005 21:18:49 - Received: from unknown (HELO ssl.mailvault.com) (10.0.2.100) by 10.0.2.100 with SMTP; 22 May 2005 21:18:49 - So, whenever I need to send an anonymous e-mail, I'm going to use this address. Thanks anyway for your time and answering my e-mails. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Cannot open file D:\Documents and Settings\Dick\Application Data\tagzilla-en.txt Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Dick. --On 22 May 2005 16:50 +0200 you wrote about Anonymous emails?: I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. Sounds a bit sus' to me. -- Tony. M. PGP.sig Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [TBUDL] OT: Anonymous emails?
Anyway, I also have a totally anonymous e-mail address you can absolutely not figure out where it has been sent from other than the server, but the IP address doesn't mean anything: Received: from mailvault.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.mailvault.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED594D36427 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 22 May 2005 22:18:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19341 invoked from network); 22 May 2005 21:18:49 - Received: from unknown (HELO ssl.mailvault.com) (10.0.2.100) by 10.0.2.100 with SMTP; 22 May 2005 21:18:49 - So, whenever I need to send an anonymous e-mail, I'm going to use this address. What do you mean by saying the IP address doesn't mean anything? Let's presume that the headers are actual AND you send som controversial mail (whatever content/opinion/allegation/etc,), the IP in there still gives a trace. Your mail can be traced back to the services of Zonice Menk Fieseler GbR in Gunzenhausen, Germany. Of course, that doesn't mean you are in Gunzenhausen... ...but it would give a clue where to send the court order if your activity are illegal AND Zonice Menk Fieseler GbR would have to comply with the court order by divulging from where the connection originates. If they don't comply, Zonice Menk Fieseler GbR would probably have to tolerate accusations of hiding information about illegal activities. Would you trust them to stand by your man for particular long? Or would you expect them to hand over the requested info as per court order? Like I said, most people have limited ability to trace you, but the people/services that can - they will. Apparently, I am assuming your need for a non-traceable IP is for some shady reason (fishy business, political activity etc.), cause I still haven't figured why you so desperately need a non-traceable IP (anonymous e-mail)... And since you are saying whenever I need to send an anonymous e-mail it is apparent that it isn't a 100% privacy thing that is needed/wanted on a permanent basis, but rather whenever [you] need. So I wonder what is in those mails that you need to send anonymous and that you can't stand up for? (It is a rhetoric question!) -- St Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
DH the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which DH IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always DH do). No, just the paranoids have to do it. I have nothing to hide. You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during your life. -- Vili Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anonymous emails?
Hi Peter Palmreuther, On Sunday, May 22, 2005, you wrote: Hello St, On Sunday, May 22, 2005 at 5:40:50 PM St [SMN] wrote: I want to be totally invisible and untraceable. If I'm browsing the web, I'm using a tunnel (proxy server 127.0.0.1:8080) that totally hides my identify (IP address) ... SMN ...are you really sure you are invisible... He is! I bet he blocks packets of type ICMP Echo request and drops them on his firewall, therefore he's *absolutely invisible*!!! Trust me!1!eins!elf!! ;-) *coughs* black hole *coughs*... Problem with blocking ICMP echo requests is it is just as bad as having them enabled... People can still see you there, you just appear as a black hole sucking in the packets ;) -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpJiwKRdEWrC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Re: Anonymous emails?
Hello Vili, On Mon, 23 May 2005 02:58:33 +0200 GMT (23/05/2005, 07:58 +0700 GMT), Vili wrote: DH the USA. By doing this, I can surf totally anonymously, which DH IMHO, everybody is entitled to (and I even think should always DH do). V No, just the paranoids have to do it. I have nothing to hide. I have nothing to hide, but that's only because I live in a democracy. In another country, dissidents might have something to hide even though this is nothing bad in an ehtical sense - it's just against the powers that run the country, which we presume are not benevolent. V You should learn to live your life that you should be able to face V yourself, whatever you do, or whatever mistakes you are doing during V your life. Generally true, as long as you live in a democracy. -- Cheers, Thomas. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
