Re[3]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-30 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Mike,

Friday, June 29, 2001, 10:03:40 AM, I believe you used
The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal to write:

DH Well, that's quite nice, seeing someone who seemingly likes TB!'s
DH editor right from the start. Considering that many new (and some
DH old) users don't like it and want it changed ...

MM Of course the abilty to plug in external editors into TB!'s windows
MM (using OLE?) would be nice also .. and allow you to use the default
MM editor or choose your own ... ( I'd love to use vi editing commands in
MM TB! windows ... )

MM IMHO, the current editor is fine, however.  I use it to send e-mail,
MM not compose long text documents   I could see how some dislike it
MM though.

There are some features of TB editor that I like a lot, but I would
probably use something like vi if it was available.  Maybe an
integration of the 2?

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-29 Thread Dierk Haasis

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Hello Melissa!

On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 9:36:41 PM you wrote:

 He continued to work with me to improve Poco's text editor - based
 on my experiences with TB! That said, for my needs, it's still got a
 ways to go, and is still no TB!

Well, that's quite nice, seeing someone who seemingly likes TB!'s
editor right from the start. Considering that many new (and some old)
users don't like it and want it changed ...


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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-29 Thread Mike Miller

On Friday, June 29, 2001, Dierk Haasis wrote the
following about Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

DH Well, that's quite nice, seeing someone who seemingly likes TB!'s
DH editor right from the start. Considering that many new (and some old)
DH users don't like it and want it changed ...

Of course the abilty to plug in external editors into TB!'s windows
(using OLE?) would be nice also .. and allow you to use the default
editor or choose your own ... ( I'd love to use vi editing commands in
TB! windows ... )

IMHO, the current editor is fine, however.  I use it to send e-mail,
not compose long text documents   I could see how some dislike it
though.

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Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread i a n - e d i b l e



Hello All,

The Bat has recently stopped being able to collect my mail. I changed my POP3 password via Telnet to my University servers a few days ago. When I try to collect my mail, the bat remembers my old e-mail password, and when I put the new one in and click update account tickbox, i just cannot connect. My log shows:

*28/06/2001, 19:02:16: FETCH - receiving mail messages
+28/06/2001, 19:02:17: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
!28/06/2001, 19:02:27: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR [AUTH] Password supplied for smgxian is incorrect.
!28/06/2001, 19:02:37: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: USER smgxian, PASS)
+28/06/2001, 19:02:37: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

In older versions of the Bat, there were options in the Account settings to allow one to turn on or off remembering of the password which has gone in the newer version. Anyone have any ideas on how I can get the Bat back working??? Other mail clients are having no problem.

Ian


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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi i,

On 28 June 2001 at  19:09:32 +0100 (which was 19:09 where I live)  i a
n - e d i b l e wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

 In older versions of the Bat, there were options in the Account
 settings to allow one to turn on or off remembering of the password
 which has gone in the newer version. Anyone have any ideas on how I
 can get the Bat back working???

In Account | Properties | Transport | Receive mail press the
Authenitcation button and (temporarily) turn on the Do not store
password, prompt on mail retrieval switch. At the next mail check,
enter you new password then you can safely turn the switch back off
again.

That should fix it.

 Other mail clients are having no problem.

I wouldn't say that! Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the
list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message needs manual
coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of all of the missing
spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

Please use a more recipient-friendly email client next time you're let
down by TB! ;-).

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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Ian Andolina



 On  28  June  2001  at  19:29:31GMT  +0100  (19:26  for  me)  Marck D
 Pearlstone wrote in Bat Cannot Download E-Mail:



MDP In  Account  |  Properties | Transport | Receive mail press the
MDP Authenitcation button and (temporarily) turn on the Do not store
MDP password,  prompt  on  mail  retrieval  switch. At the next mail
MDP check, enter you new password then you can safely turn the switch
MDP back off again.

MDP That should fix it.

Yes,  thank  you.  Incidentally,  why  doesn't the Bat! connect when I
re-enter the password the second time?

MDP I  wouldn't  say  that!  Poco,  for  instance, writes in HTML and
MDP breaks the list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message
MDP needs  manual coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of
MDP all of the missing spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

MDP Please  use  a  more  recipient-friendly  email  client next time
MDP you're let down by TB! ;-).

Yes, as soon as I sent it, I suddenly realised what I had done!!! Poco
was  left  hanging  on  my  hard  drive when I first auditioned for an
e-mail client. As we know, a contest that the Bat! wins hands down.

Sorry for the HTML mail, and thanks for your help.


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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Jim Winchester

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Hello Marck,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 12:26:24 PM, you wrote:

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MDP Hi i,

MDP On 28 June 2001 at  19:09:32 +0100 (which was 19:09 where I live)  i a
MDP n - e d i b l e wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

 In older versions of the Bat, there were options in the Account
 settings to allow one to turn on or off remembering of the password
 which has gone in the newer version. Anyone have any ideas on how I
 can get the Bat back working???

MDP In Account | Properties | Transport | Receive mail press the
MDP Authenitcation button and (temporarily) turn on the Do not store
MDP password, prompt on mail retrieval switch. At the next mail check,
MDP enter you new password then you can safely turn the switch back off
MDP again.

MDP That should fix it.

 Other mail clients are having no problem.

MDP I wouldn't say that! Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the
MDP list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message needs manual
MDP coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of all of the missing
MDP spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

MDP Please use a more recipient-friendly email client next time you're let
MDP down by TB! ;-).

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Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

Given your development role in The Bat! I guess you are entitled to
some parental pride in the client. I have been a Eudora user for quite
some time, and TB! has impressed me enough I'm taking the time to
learn how to use it.

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Jim,

Historians believe that Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 13:04 GMT -0600 was when,
Jim Winchester [JW] typed the following:

JW Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
JW It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

 That's because you have HTML autoview selected.  If you turn off that
 option (Options - Preferences), you'll see what Marck is talking
 about.  Alternatively, you can click on the tab 1 at the bottom of
 the message.

JW I have been a Eudora user for quite some time, and TB! has
JW impressed me enough I'm taking the time to learn how to use it.

 Good luck, it's worth the effort.

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Gerry Doyon

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Hello Jim,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 3:04:09 PM, you wrote:

MDP I wouldn't say that! Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the
MDP list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message needs manual
MDP coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of all of the missing
MDP spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

MDP Please use a more recipient-friendly email client next time you're let
MDP down by TB! ;-).

JW Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
JW It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

JW Given your development role in The Bat! I guess you are entitled to
JW some parental pride in the client. I have been a Eudora user for quite
JW some time, and TB! has impressed me enough I'm taking the time to
JW learn how to use it.

I do not believe that Marck was referring to the readability of the
message.  The problem is when you *reply* to the message.  The text of
the original message goes WAY passed my 65 character length limit. So,
one is forced to manually massage the text to make it conform to a
uniformly acceptable line length.

My apologies to Marck in advance if I did not interpret his intentions
correctly. :-)

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Thursday, June 28, 2001, at 11:26:24 AM PDT, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the list rules! Then
MDP the reply text from your Poco message needs manual coaxing into any
MDP semblance of legibility because of all of the missing spaces at the
MDP ends of the formatted lines.

Hello Marck,

Before I started using The Bat! (my absolute favorite mail client, by the
way), I used both Poco and Calypso. Both, while having the capability of
composing with HTML, also have the capability to *turn off* the offending
HTML.

A new version of Poco was just released (v2.5), and since I was involved
in the beta testing, some of the things I've learned by using TB! are
slowly seeping into Pocomail's (new name) plain text editor (some text
formatting options, etc.) Poco's author is very receptive to users wishes,
and is always improving Poco. I told him that I had switched to TB! - and
why. He continued to work with me to improve Poco's text editor - based on
my experiences with TB! That said, for my needs, it's still got a ways to
go, and is still no TB!

Some mail - even plain text - that I receive from some Calypso users also
does strange things when viewed in TB! (like running off the edge of the
screen when quoted in a reply - requiring Alt-l to clean it up). For the
most part, I do feel that it's caused more by the sender's particular use
of formatting options (or lack thereof) than by the originating mail
client itself. I think.

But then, there's another kind of strange thing I've noticed between
Calypso and TB!...

If I open up an old mail I composed in Calypso (I always composed and
displayed only plain text in Calypso), and copy/paste it into my TB!
message editor, all line wrapping that was in the original Calypso message
will be gone, and will require TB!'s Alt-l treatment (I love Alt-l!).
Otherwise, it runs off the screen in one very long line.

What I don't understand in this last example is that both are dealing,
supposedly, with the very same character set and encoding (us-ascii,
7-bit). Any ideas as to why the un-formatting happens when copy/pasting
from Calypso into TB!?

Melissa
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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Nick Danger

Subject: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail
   From: Melissa Reese
  Dated: Thu, 28 Jun 2001, 12:36:41 (2:36:41 PM local)
~~

 Alt-l treatment (I love Alt-l!).

Speaking of the ol' Alt-L, has anyone ever specified whether it's a
bug or just something that programming can't handle as to why when you
use the mouse to move the cursor to the text in question Alt-L doesn't
work until you moved the cursor via the keyboard?

I'm asking because the ability to point, click, and then hit a mouse
button programmed with Alt-L would be sweet in my book!

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Nick,

Historians believe that Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 14:49 GMT -0500 was when,
Nick Danger [ND] typed the following:

ND Speaking of the ol' Alt-L, has anyone ever specified whether it's a
ND bug or just something that programming can't handle as to why when you
ND use the mouse to move the cursor to the text in question Alt-L doesn't
ND work until you moved the cursor via the keyboard?

I think it is because you can highlight the lines you want to reformat
and hit ALT-L to reformat *only* those lines.  I'm guessing that TB
assumes you are selecting a line when you point and click.

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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Jim Winchester

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Hello Januk,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 1:22:51 PM, you wrote:

JA Hello Jim,

JW Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
JW It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

JA  That's because you have HTML autoview selected.  If you turn off that
JA  option (Options - Preferences), you'll see what Marck is talking
JA  about.  Alternatively, you can click on the tab 1 at the bottom of
JA  the message.

Ah, that is very interesting to know why the sender's text, on a
reply, does not word wrap in the reply.  I had a message from webmail
that I tried to answer and her message lines were broken and long.

Do I understand correctly that there is a way to force the quoted text
to wrap?

Best regards,
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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Gerry,

On 28 June 2001 at  15:21:41 -0400 (which was 20:21 where I live)
Gerry Doyon wrote to Jim Winchester and made these points:

JW Given your development role in The Bat! I guess you are entitled
JW to some parental pride in the client.

Just to set the record straight, my only role has been to use the
software for over two years and, more recently, to have reworked the
help file for RIT labs.

JW I have been a Eudora user for quite some time, and TB! has
JW impressed me enough I'm taking the time to learn how to use it.

As has been said by Januk, I wish you all success in the endeavour.

GD I do not believe that Marck was referring to the readability of
GD the message. The problem is when you *reply* to the message. The
GD text of the original message goes WAY passed my 65 character
GD length limit. So, one is forced to manually massage the text to
GD make it conform to a uniformly acceptable line length.

*Exactly* what I was talking about. :-)

GD My apologies to Marck in advance if I did not interpret his
GD intentions correctly. :-)

You got me perfectly. It should also be taken as a jocular attempt to
point out a) the rules of the list and b) why they are so.

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

2001-06-28 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Melissa,

On 28 June 2001 at  12:36:41 -0700 (which was 20:36 where I live)
Melissa Reese wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

MR What I don't understand in this last example is that both are
MR dealing, supposedly, with the very same character set and encoding
MR (us-ascii, 7-bit). Any ideas as to why the un-formatting happens
MR when copy/pasting from Calypso into TB!?

I can only assume that this is because Calypso did not use line breaks
but simply relied on re-wrapping the text for display at every
viewing. IMHO this is where TB scores big time in that What You See Is
*exactly* What You Get.

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