Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mark! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 8:43:30 PM you wrote: Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of putting the cursor at the real EOL. This is commonly called free caret editor: Wherever you put your cursor, you can start writing. WordPerfect has it since version 7 or 8, and even Word uses it (a bit differently, but better I think) since v2000. To move through your text use the arrow keys (or mouse) and End/Begin keys. Another handy keystroke to remember Alt+L (look in the help to find more of these). - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Wherever Germany extends her sway, she ruins culture. (Friedrich Nietzsche) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOz1o7/To1oA8g8dLEQJB5QCgi9t71QOTMTCHBEltD9fIxLz4ggUAoO52 hzR4UPhpSFMNpb0XGiapGJ0p =+3rr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On 30 June 2001 at 01:05:38 -0400 (which was 06:05 where I live) Mark A. Chalkley wrote to Douglas Hinds and made these points: DH TB! uses paradigms that are NOT those of Bill Gates. MAC snip MAC Hmmm, maybe, but if so I'd have to add that the pardigms used by MAC TB! in this case are also not those of Steve Jobs or Linus MAC Torvalds, as the EOL/EOF cursor positioning I descrbied is also MAC standard for Macintosh and all the GUI enhancements for Linus, MAC and any other Unix I've seen, for that matter. TB!'s approach is MAC not totally unique, but _extremely_ unusual, from what I've seen. MAC And very awkward, to me, at least. Let's try to get this a bit more logical. TB uses the paradigm originally introduced by WordStar - a very early word processor - and carried forward into Borland's SideKick product and the source code editors for all Borland IDEs (and many other besides). It is known as a free or floating caret interface and is widely used, but not usually employed in bare text editors or word processors. Its primary purpose is to support point, click and type usage. There's no other way to do that. Yes, it could be made optional for those experiencing culture shock but, once you know its there and have got a little used to it *boy* would you miss it if it were removed! DH Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line Also, merely moving the cursor out of one line to the next is enough to have TB remove excess trailing spaces. MAC I appreciate the tips on TB!'s extra features. I'll work with it MAC a while longer before I gripe about it again. A worthwhile exercise IMHO. Okay, it was easier for me since all of my favourite editors used (and still use) the free-caret interface g. MAC Still, the Stream/Column/Line editing features don't require the MAC weird EOL/EOF behavior - True. But Column paste does :-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PaINOeQkq5KdzaARAsBAAKDusV+fdVT3IB+h37gkAna1A96b8wCg4WvK PKWlcHksVpeigbLHrNHg9N0= =qDNj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
On Saturday, June 30, 2001, 5:55:24 AM, you wrote: MAC Hmmm, maybe, but if so I'd have to add that the pardigms used by MAC TB! in this case are also not those of Steve Jobs or Linus MAC Torvalds, as the EOL/EOF cursor positioning I descrbied is also MAC standard for Macintosh and all the GUI enhancements for Linus, MAC and any other Unix I've seen, for that matter. TB!'s approach is MAC not totally unique, but _extremely_ unusual, from what I've MAC seen. And very awkward, to me, at least. MDP Let's try to get this a bit more logical. MDP TB uses the paradigm originally introduced by WordStar - a very early MDP word processor - and carried forward into Borland's SideKick product MDP and the source code editors for all Borland IDEs (and many other MDP besides). It is known as a free or floating caret interface and is MDP widely used, but not usually employed in bare text editors or word MDP processors. MDP Its primary purpose is to support point, click and type usage. There's MDP no other way to do that. Yes, it could be made optional for those MDP experiencing culture shock but, once you know its there and have got a MDP little used to it *boy* would you miss it if it were removed! Well, now you're dredging up some ancient memories! I think you may have hit upon the real reason this editing method, and one which I'd totally forgotten, annoys me so much. I used WordStar when it was the only editor available on some of the micros I used in the early 80's when I was primarily a mainframe programmer - and despised every minute of it. Different strokes, as they say. I'd still appreciate an option to make TB!'s editing approach a little more mainstream (no offense intended). At any rate, there's enough stuff I really like about TB! that I can live with the stuff I don't. So, as I said, I'll spend a little more time trying to get used to it - I just wish you hadn't reminded me of WordStar... ;) Mark Chalkley -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On 30 June 2001 at 09:59:06 -0400 (which was 14:59 where I live) Mark A. Chalkley wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: MAC I just wish you hadn't reminded me of WordStar... ;) Sorry 'bout that! g - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PeFvOeQkq5KdzaARAiEIAKD2AMmk9QrAFwo/y+fiwZ67k2ZsLQCfUd+W MmtzBkD7wsIJGmY0Ic31oxI= =FPbE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
All, Thanks for your help on the multiple accounts/filtering questions I had. Fantastic bunch! FWIW, I registered TB! earlier today... Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at the end of the line/message. Is there any setting in the editor preferences that addresses this? I can't fid anything about it in Help. Thanks, Mark Chalkley -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
Hello Mark others on this TB! list following this thread, Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding EOL/EOF Cursor positioning: MAC ... FWIW, I registered TB! earlier today... A wise move. MAC Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new MAC message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned MAC at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of MAC putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the MAC arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the MAC point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at MAC the end of the line/message. TB! uses paradigms that are those of Bill Gates. If you want to go to the real EOL, just press the End key (Fin on my Spanish keyboard). Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line and that TB! has stream, line and column modes. The differences provide functions that Windoze customary functions don't. Once I learned what to expect I have no problem. The one function I WOULD like to see implemented is the crtl+up or down arrow for jumping between paragraphs, but even that is easy enough as long as I'm going UP (not down) - just use cntrl+L or J and it will put you at the top of the paragraph. A different mindset is involved. (And remember that TB! is a contribution from Moldovia). Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
Hello Mark others on this TB! list following this thread, Sorry for the error in the first line, corrected below: Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding EOL/EOF Cursor positioning: MAC ... FWIW, I registered TB! earlier today... A wise move. MAC Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new MAC message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned MAC at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of MAC putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the MAC arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the MAC point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at MAC the end of the line/message. TB! uses paradigms that are NOT those of Bill Gates. If you want to go to the real EOL, just press the End key (Fin on my Spanish keyboard). Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line and that TB! has stream, line and column modes. The differences provide functions that Windoze customary functions don't. Once I learned what to expect I have no problem. The one function I WOULD like to see implemented is the crtl+up or down arrow for jumping between paragraphs, but even that is easy enough as long as I'm going UP (not down) - just use cntrl+L or J and it will put you at the top of the paragraph. A different mindset is involved. (And remember that TB! is a contribution from Moldovia). Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
On Friday, June 29, 2001, 4:35:17 PM, you wrote: snip MAC Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new MAC message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned MAC at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of MAC putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the MAC arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the MAC point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at MAC the end of the line/message. DH TB! uses paradigms that are NOT those of Bill Gates. snip Hmmm, maybe, but if so I'd have to add that the pardigms used by TB! in this case are also not those of Steve Jobs or Linus Torvalds, as the EOL/EOF cursor positioning I descrbied is also standard for Macintosh and all the GUI enhancements for Linus, and any other Unix I've seen, for that matter. TB!'s approach is not totally unique, but _extremely_ unusual, from what I've seen. And very awkward, to me, at least. DH Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line and that TB! DH has stream, line and column modes. The differences provide functions DH that Windoze customary functions don't. Once I learned what to DH expect I have no problem. The one function I WOULD like to see DH implemented is the crtl+up or down arrow for jumping between DH paragraphs, but even that is easy enough as long as I'm going UP DH (not down) - just use cntrl+L or J and it will put you at the top DH of the paragraph. DH A different mindset is involved. (And remember that TB! is a DH contribution from Moldovia). I appreciate the tips on TB!'s extra features. I'll work with it a while longer before I gripe about it again. Still, the Stream/Column/Line editing features don't require the weird EOL/EOF behavior - check out the excellent text editor UltraEdit for an example. Thanks, Mark Chalkley -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
