Inbox - Known ??
Hi : What's the story with the Inbox - Known folder? Thanks. Regards, Gary Odom g...@waterfire.us Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox - Known ??
Hello Raymund, On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:43:45 +0200 GMT (25/Sep/10, 15:43 PM +0700 GMT), Raymund Tump wrote: What's the story with the Inbox - Known folder? RT Well, there should be a Known filter in your sorting office. That RT would move all messages that are from people in your addressbook to RT the known inbox if active. the problem is that only incoming messages and not outgoing messages are caught by the Known filter, so the conversations are not in the same folder and do not thread. There is no known filter for Outgoing messages. RT Nowadays you might want to achieve the same thing with a virtual RT folder and keep all the messages in the inbox. Much better, but you still need to create seperate filters for incoming and outgoing messages. A six years old wishlist item could fix that: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.36.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is Inbox - Known for?
Hello Chris, Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 7:38:25 PM, you wrote: Andrew Diederich @ 2006-8-29 8:30:02 PM What is Inbox - Known for? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a folder called Inbox - Known in one of my two accounts, but nothing is in it. I can't figure out what _should_ be in it, either. It does look like a system generated folder. What's it for? It is for messages from contacts in your address book. There is also a pre-built filter in the Sorting Office that will move messages from these people into the Known folder. The filter is called Known. You may need to enable it. Mystery solved, thanks! Outside of mail lists most of the mail I get is from known people, so I don't think I'll wind up using it. If Inbox - Known was just a reference to the email, and not a move or copy, I'd probably use it, though. -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.80.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Inbox - Known for?
Hi Andrew, on Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:08:58 -0600GMT (30.08.2006, 21:08 +0200GMT here), you wrote: AAD Mystery solved, thanks! Outside of mail lists most of the mail I get AD is from known people, so I don't think I'll wind up using it. If AD Inbox - Known was just a reference to the email, and not a move or AD copy, I'd probably use it, though. I'm sure you can make a Virtual Folder do that. AD Using Voyager v3.80.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 AD Service Pack 2 There is a new version of Voyager, based on The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta. If interested, get it at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/voyager_beta14.rar -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.81.17 RC1 :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Inbox - Known for?
Hello Peter, On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PM There is a new version of Voyager, based on The Bat! 3.81.14 Beta. You had me all excited there for a minute until I realised that it's not exactly new and it's the one I have already installed :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.81.17 RC1. POP3 account AntispamSniper plug-in | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is Inbox - Known for?
Hello Batfolk, I have a folder called Inbox - Known in one of my two accounts, but nothing is in it. I can't figure out what _should_ be in it, either. It does look like a system generated folder. What's it for? Thanks for the help. -- Andrew Diederich Using Voyager v3.80.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Inbox - Known for?
Andrew Diederich @ 2006-8-29 8:30:02 PM What is Inbox - Known for? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a folder called Inbox - Known in one of my two accounts, but nothing is in it. I can't figure out what _should_ be in it, either. It does look like a system generated folder. What's it for? It is for messages from contacts in your address book. There is also a pre-built filter in the Sorting Office that will move messages from these people into the Known folder. The filter is called Known. You may need to enable it. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. A .44 magnum beats four aces. pgpEDewsBE80o.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox-Known
Two questions on Inbox-Known: 1. When my cursor in on Inbox-Known and I on New Message, the account that is being used is Account1234, by default. I don't recall setting the account to be used for Inbox-known. Is there a way to set the default account to another account? [I don't know whether this is a coincidence but Inbox-Known is just below Account1234 -- in the Accounts pane.] 2. In a regular account, I can instruct it to ignore the Reading Confirmation. However, some of my mail is filtered to Inbox-Known immediately upon retrieval. When those email are read in Inbox-Known, it generates a Reading Confirmation Receipt (for each email that requested a Reading confirmation); and put it in the Outbox of Account1234. How can I get the Inbox-Known to ignor the Reading Confirmation Request? -- Thanks in advance Using The Bat! 2.12.04 Under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-Known
Generally, [EMAIL PROTECTED] foretold : z How can I get the Inbox-Known to ignor the Reading Confirmation z Request? I believe you can set it in Properties of Inbox-Known : Templates | Over-ride | Ignore -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.80.06 Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Inbox-Known
Sunday, June 11, 2006, Robert D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generally, [EMAIL PROTECTED] foretold : z How can I get the Inbox-Known to ignor the Reading Confirmation z Request? I believe you can set it in Properties of Inbox-Known : Templates | Over-ride | Ignore I don't have over-ride under Templates. When I put my cursor on Inbox-Known, and go to Account Properties, the Common Folder Properties comes up. In that Properties box, all I get are Options, Templates, Memo and Chat. Under Templates, I only have Save Messages and Cookies. What am I missing? -- Thanks in advance Using The Bat! 2.12.04 Under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-Known
Hello, Sunday, June 11, 2006, 7:48:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I put my cursor on Inbox-Known, and go to Account Properties, the Common Folder Properties comes up. In that Properties box, all I get are Options, Templates, Memo and Chat. Under Templates, I only have Save Messages and Cookies. What am I missing? I see you are using version 2. On the latest non-beta version, it's under Templates | Confirmation in the folder's property settings. Here's a screenshot (68k): http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/613/rc16ch.jpg -- Scott Moorman Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail into inbox-known?
Hi On Sunday 4 December 2005 at 9:19:52 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten wrote: M You may find it re-created the next time you start TB! IIRC that depends on whether the known filter is active or not. Only tried once and it came back. I expect the filter was active because I think I have never altered or deleted it. -- Best regards, MFPA Why is the universe here? Well, where else would it be? Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail into inbox-known?
Hallo Darrin, On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:01:16 -0800GMT (4-12-2005, 6:01 +0100, where I live), you wrote: D In my address book I have some listed in the default personal address D book. Others listed in different groups. I dont notice emails from any D of the people in my address book actually showing up in my inbox-known D folder. What do you suppose is wrong here? I guess your known filter could be inactive or all messages could be processed by other filters. My own inbox-known is rarely used for the latter reason, hardly any message from people in my AB gets past my real filters. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr: 010 Reserved for future mistakes by our developers The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp7hQp1662d9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail into inbox-known?
Hello Roelof, Sunday, December 4, 2005, 12:30:56 AM, you wrote: RO My own inbox-known is rarely used for the RO latter reason, hardly any message from people in my AB gets past my RO real filters. I dont really think of any reason why I would need it anyway. So I think Ill just delete it. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail into inbox-known?
Hi On Sunday 4 December 2005 at 12:46:39 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Darrin wrote: I dont really think of any reason why I would need it anyway. So I think Ill just delete it. You may find it re-created the next time you start TB! -- Best regards, MFPA We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail into inbox-known?
Hello MFPA, Sunday, December 4, 2005, 1:04:28 PM, you wrote: M You may find it re-created the next time you start TB! Nope. Didnt show up. -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail into inbox-known?
Hallo MFPA, On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:04:28 +GMT (4-12-2005, 22:04 +0100, where I live), you wrote: I dont really think of any reason why I would need it anyway. So I think Ill just delete it. M You may find it re-created the next time you start TB! IIRC that depends on whether the known filter is active or not. -- Groetjes, Roelof When you're a little rabbit, carry a big gun. The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgppAScVzxkg3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mail into inbox-known?
Hello friends, In my address book I have some listed in the default personal address book. Others listed in different groups. I dont notice emails from any of the people in my address book actually showing up in my inbox-known folder. What do you suppose is wrong here? -- Darrin Using The Bat! v3.62.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox known - missing from random account
31 July 2005 - 14:58 Hello Tbudl, I stopped using TB! just over a year ago (I can't remember why) but a couple of days ago saw the error of my ways and bought and installed the latest version. It was like slipping into an old leather jacket; everything fitted perfectly! I bought Bloomba, then somebody else did; I persevered with Poco. What a waste of a year. Now, I've just gone through my ten accounts and activated the 'inbox - known' filter but on one of those accounts (the third to be stet up) it was missing. Not a great problem - I just created it, but does anyone know what might have happened to it? None of the accounts has any other filters in place. -- Best regards, William Flying with The Bat! Professional version 3.51.10 Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Inbox-known
Hello Group On Saturday, June 18, 2005, 3:00:48 AM, Darrin wrote: Hello Thomas, Friday, June 17, 2005, 8:22:23 AM, you wrote: The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked. I checked and nothing. I know how to re-create the known inbox, but how do I re-create the filter? Thanks The condition is: Address Book Contains Sender Action is: Move To The Folder (folder name) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
Hello Jeff, Saturday, June 18, 2005, 1:18:07 AM, you wrote: The condition is: Address Book Contains Sender Action is: Move To The Folder (folder name) Great! Thank you much :) -- Best regards, Darrin Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
Hello Darrin, On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:20:24 -0700 GMT (17/06/2005, 09:20 +0700 GMT), Darrin wrote: D It is the latter. I happen to look in the sorting office and there is D no filters for known senders. So I guess I have to create one? The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked. -- Cheers, Thomas. - MAN WANTED TO WORK IN DYNAMITE FACTORY. MUST BE WILLING TO TRAVEL. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
On Friday, June 17, 2005, 10:22:23 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked. I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP. I have created a few local filters for my new IMAP account, so I just took a look at that account's sorting office, and find no 'known' filter there. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.27 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
On Friday, June 17, 2005, 10:50:52 AM, Dwight A Corrin wrote: I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP. I have created a few local filters for my new IMAP account, so I just took a look at that account's sorting office, and find no 'known' filter there. and on further reflection, immediately after sending the send button on last message, notice there is no inbox-known created for that account. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.27 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
Hello Dwight A Corrin everyone else, on 17-Jun-2005 at 17:56 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote: sending the send button That button didn't arrive here yet, however... ;-) SCNR! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Dub Angel (3:49) by Snooze vs DJ Cam from the 1996 album 'Freezone 3 - Horizontal Dancing (CD2)' Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
Hello Dwight, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:50:52 -0500 GMT (17/06/2005, 22:50 +0700 GMT), Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP. Oh sorry. I don't know about IMAP, I was talking about POP. -- Cheers, Thomas. Ladies, don't forget the rummage sale. It is a good chance to get rid of those things not worth keeping around the house. Bring your husbands. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.5.26 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
On Friday, June 17, 2005, 11:23:05 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: DAC I recently made the switch from POP to IMAP. Oh sorry. I don't know about IMAP, I was talking about POP. I don't know either. Figured the only to learn whether that was because of the differences, or whether it was an oversight, was to ask. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.27 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
Hello Thomas, Friday, June 17, 2005, 8:22:23 AM, you wrote: The Known fitler should be there by default under the Incoming filters. It has a tickbox for Active - maybe yours is not ticked. I checked and nothing. I know how to re-create the known inbox, but how do I re-create the filter? Thanks -- Best regards, Darrin Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox-known
Hello TBUDL, I thought that all mail from users in my address book will go into inbox-known automatically. Doesnt seem to work. Is there something I must do to get this working? -- Best regards, Darrin Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
On Thu 16-Jun-05 8:21pm -0500, Darrin wrote: I thought that all mail from users in my address book will go into inbox-known automatically. Doesnt seem to work. Is there something I must do to get this working? What do you mean by doesn't seem to work? Are mails going into inbox-known that are from senders not in your address book? Or are mails from senders in your address book not going in? If it is the latter, run Test Filters on a mail that should have gone there. Is it going somewhere else? If nothing is being triggered, make sure there is a sender address that is really in your address book and the known filter is active. -- Best regards, Bill The Wounded Bat 3.5.27 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
Hello Bill, Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:06:15 PM, you wrote: If it is the latter, run Test Filters on a mail that should have gone there. Is it going somewhere else? If nothing is being triggered, make sure there is a sender address that is really in your address book and the known filter is active. It is the latter. I happen to look in the sorting office and there is no filters for known senders. So I guess I have to create one? -- Best regards, Darrin Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox-known
On Thu 16-Jun-05 9:20pm -0500, Darrin wrote: Thursday, June 16, 2005, 7:06:15 PM, you wrote: If it is the latter, run Test Filters on a mail that should have gone there. Is it going somewhere else? If nothing is being triggered, make sure there is a sender address that is really in your address book and the known filter is active. It is the latter. I happen to look in the sorting office and there is no filters for known senders. So I guess I have to create one? It one time it was created automatically. It was called known (without the quotes). You are not really missing anything important - I have mine disabled. I created my own called known with put messages not with me as a sender (I'm in the address book) AND with the sender in the address book. The actions is to move to Inbox-known and it is active. -- Best regards, Bill The Wounded Bat 3.5.27 Pro BayesIt! 0.8.1 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost Inbox-Known
Hello, Anyone know how to get it back? Thanks -- Darrin WinXP Home Service Pack 1 Tbat! 2.12.00 pgpdGJieGYy2z.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost Inbox-Known
Hello Darrin, DR Anyone know how to get it back? DR Thanks I think if you add a folder called $KNOWN$ that will add it back. when I right-click an accounts inbox-known, the name shows as : $KNOWN$ with the $ on both sides. -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 2.12.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost Inbox-Known
Hi Paul, On 7/22/2004 12:10 PM my time, Paul wrote: PC I think if you add a folder called $KNOWN$ PC that will add it back. PC when I right-click an accounts inbox-known, the name shows as : PC $KNOWN$ PC with the $ on both sides. That did the trick thanks :) -- Darrin WinXP Home Service Pack 1 Tbat! 2.12.00 pgpVStHHtT5QZ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Marck, MDP There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a MDP straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on MDP TBBETA? The list is right. Currently, From, Reply-To, Return-Path and Sender fields are used. I've seen the message from Bill about Resent-From missing. It'll be fixed, obviously. :-) -- Best regards, Stefan ...If a program is useful, it will have to be changed. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 10:37:12 PM, MikeD wrote: So I will never use a black list to determine spam. So far I am still trying to get something bayesian that will work for me. I have hopes for the new bayesian plug-in for TB. Does anyone have any more information on this plugin? For instance, a web page, who is working on it, if it's been released yet? Thanks. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Audiac, @19-Jul-2003, 19:31 +0200 (18:31 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So I will never use a black list to determine spam. So far I am still trying to get something bayesian that will work for me. I have hopes for the new bayesian plug-in for TB. A Does anyone have any more information on this plugin? For A instance, a web page, who is working on it, if it's been released A yet? Right now all is unofficial since it is built for TB 1.63, which is currently deep in beta testing. Only 1.63 has plug-in support for spam processing. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxvC9znkJKuSnc2gEQLZygCfTEoC/Sk+e6RriDWdX0p9+myhmHkAoJVc JJwgVRvpGRERAJTw+S9Doa+E =JTOX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Bill, On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:14:54 -0400 GMT (17/07/03, 11:14 +0700 GMT), Bill McCarthy wrote: I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? For both BCCing and test mails to myself. I don't like auto complete turned on. It's much easier to simply type 'me'. I see. Different folks... I was just curious. Thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:07:53 PM, WL wrote: W Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to DK get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material DK in it. W ...but that defeats the purpose of training material. Within W popfile, one can create magnets to force a classification, W or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email W detection. I use magnets lightly, but maintaining magnets is a hassle when I've already got those folks in my AB. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:13:58 PM, MAU wrote: M Loose messages No matter what method, program, filter, M whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or M trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you M somehow review them. There are always false positives and M false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are. Agreed. However, since July 10, 2003 I've received 473 e-mails classified as spam. I do review them before deleting them, but it's easy to lose one in the manual review effort. When you have an e-mail like mine that has been around on Usenet the Internet since 1994 every spam list in the world has me on their list. So, reeling this back around to TB!, that is my reason for putting the Known filter first. M Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M spam messages leaking through as you say in your original M post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) There are spams that are being correctly identified as spam by POPFile, but TB!'s Known filter is putting them in my Known folder. If I knew what the logic/algorithm for the Known filter, I'd be better able to debug the issue. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:54:23 PM, Allie wrote: A This thread has now been declared DEAD . as in DEAD A HORSE!! I wasn't trying to get a POPFile/SpamPal battle going. What I'm trying to do is learn what the logic/algorithm is that TB! uses for the Known filter. If that could be answered, I'd appreciate it. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, M Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some M spam messages leaking through as you say in your original M post. I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you put your Known filter first :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you put your Known filter first :-) What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I never make mistakes. I thought I did once, but I was wrong. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, Alexander wrote: A 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message A DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? A You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Thank you! I'm glad someone could translate my request into something simply stated. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Alexander, What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book? You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc. Ah, that? I didn't know he was asking that ;-) It's the Sender's address. At least that is what the Known filter says if you open Sorting Office and select it: ,- [ ] | The Known filter allows you to separate incoming mail by presence of the | sender's address in your address book. `- And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Alexander, 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd prefer you don't quote my e-mail address in the body. Thanks, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 3:56pm -0400, MAU wrote: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned? I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bill, @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) BM Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics BM returned? BM I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: BM but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on TBBETA? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPxW3pTnkJKuSnc2gEQIHRQCgvqCz3zu80e5GuDqmj0k4cIhy+WwAnjZG 6XtQMmVGnV5hWQEMyHnbXKWc =rVyA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 4:37pm -0400, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: And what is sender? Help/Find/sender :) BM Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics BM returned? BM I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: BM but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on TBBETA? I'v mentioned this there mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Nobody added new info. But MAU implied (with his smiley) this was straight forward. Perhaps he'll enlighten us. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Bill, Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned? Not rally, I didn't read them all. I didn't even count them like you did. I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any? I think you are correct. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:22:53 -0400 GMT (17/07/03, 04:22 +0700 GMT), Dave Kennedy wrote: So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot fathom. Thanks for helping my limited phantasy to reach new heights. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:01:34 PM, Thomas wrote: T I have a question to those who have their own address in their T AB: What is the reason? My reasons are pretty simple. I have many mail groups - tennis team, swim team board, basketball board, school parents, etc. (Hmmm. There's a theme there...) Reason 1: If I send a mail to one of these groups - say the basketball executive board, I want to get it as well since I save related messages in a separate folder. Reason 2: The e-mail addresses in these groups are shared to others. I don't want to have to remember to add myself to the list when I send it out to the others that want the e-mails in that group. I use the member of groups feature in the AB heavily. Right now, I have about 15 groups and include myself as a member of about 10 of them. Most of the ones that I don't are pretty much dead groups that I don't use any more and leave out there for posterity. (Computers are really awful for packrats!) Reason 3: Including myself in the group also makes it easy to confirm that I've included everyone. I.e. 8 kids on the basketball team, including my son, there should be 8 e-mail addresses in the list. If I've only got 7, I've forgotten a family. Again, YMMV. This has worked well for me for years. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 5:22pm -0400, Dave Kennedy wrote: Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote: B I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and B Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I B missed any? I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and none have it in the Return-Path. That's right, back in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote to you: , | It's true that spammers sometimes put your email address in one | of the sender fields, such as Return-Path. ` So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's behavior. As I said in that same email: ,--- | Create your own Known filter with the rule of your address NOT | being the Sender and using the Advanced tab to specify the AB. `--- The above, of course, assumes it's placed near the bottom of your filters and it moves mail to a known type folder. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Wed 16-Jul-03 7:01pm -0400, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB: What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot fathom. For both BCCing and test mails to myself. I don't like auto complete turned on. It's much easier to simply type 'me'. I also don't agree that auto completion is faster that AB search. The former will find every address - even those only used once. AB search only finds those in the AB. So typing johnctrl= will usually get the right address faster than type john and waiting for completion, then searching through all the matches. I know auto complete can be restricted, but got the impression that you don't restrict it. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
What is the logic for the Inbox - Known automatic filtering in conjunction with the address book? The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. Thanks, Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 8:49:16 AM, you wrote: DK What is the logic for the Inbox - Known automatic filtering in DK conjunction with the address book? DK The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking DK through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing DK it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the DK Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. It is an easy way to get to the email that you are getting from the people you correspond with regularly enough to have put them in your address book. The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, that you list yourself in your address book g) it is not as clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my address book for that very reason sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
15-Jul-2003 15:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The related problem is some POPFile identified spam Just a thought about combined measures... I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). I only use the Bayesian plugin to Spampal as an addition (the few mails that get thru first place make training it very easy). -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 12:52:27 PM, MikeD wrote: M Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 8:49:16 AM, Dave K wrote: DK What is the logic for the Inbox - Known automatic DK filtering in conjunction with the address book? M The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and M they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, M that you list yourself in your address book g) it is not as M clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my M address book for that very reason sigh I'm not sure that is the case. I remember the thread about this a couple of weeks ago. My situation seems different. I can look at the headers via F9 and see that the To: is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the From: is fairly random. A recent example is [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The iron.he.net is the actual SMTP server DNS name that my muscle.net domain uses. I have received many other spams that set the To: address to my e-mail, but TB! doesn't route those to Inbox-Known, hence my question about the algorithm/logic for the filtering for Inbox-Known. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello neurowerx, you wrote: I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). I only use the Bayesian plugin to Spampal as an addition (the few mails that get thru first place make training it very easy). I just figured out that you can right-click the SpamPal tray icon and select plug-in and then choose Bayesian Filter and you are provided with an easy to use interface for reclassifying emails. All this time I've been Saving the erring e-mail to a special folder, then opening SpamPal, then clicking on plug-ins, then Bayesian, then properties then import messages That was the only reason I was using PopFile, was that I thought it was easier to train it. But imagine my surprise... Now I have to say, without a doubt, that SpamPal is better than PopFile. SpamPal also makes less mistakes than PopFile. -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Tue 15-Jul-03 12:52pm -0400, MikeD wrote: The problem is that enough spammers have figured this out and they are spoofing your address so that (assuming, presumably, that you list yourself in your address book g) it is not as clear as it was. I recently had to take my address out of my address book for that very reason sigh It's true that spammers sometimes put your email address in one of the sender fields, such as Return-Path. Taking your address out of the address book is a bit extreme. A possibly better approach is to disable the Known filter. Create your own Known filter with the rule of your address NOT being the Sender and using the Advanced tab to specify the AB. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, The related problem is some POPFile identified spam is leaking through, and I suspect that the Inbox-Known filtering is causing it to trigger. But, I'm not sure of the details of the Inbox-Known algorithm to debug this issue. Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the Known filter. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello neurowerx, I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). Because, for example in my case, I'm getting a 99.71 accuracy with POPFile alone which, as you probably know, just does Bayesian classification. I don't know about other Bayesian filters but for POPFile, for example IP addresses are just words that it can use to classify messages. And it sure does learn and use IP lists. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello John, But imagine my surprise... Now I have to say, without a doubt, that SpamPal is better than PopFile. Can I say that I doubt it? :-) SpamPal also makes less mistakes than PopFile. Can SpamPal do much better than 99,71% accuracy? I doubt it, because even 100% isn't that much more ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:09:00 PM, MAU wrote: M Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam M by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the M Known filter. I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I don't want to lose those messages. -- Dave Kennedy Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
15-Jul-2003 21:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about other Bayesian filters but for POPFile, for example IP addresses are just words that it can use to classify messages. And it sure does learn and use IP lists. Good point. However, I believe that DNS blacklists are updated faster than popfile will learn IP addresses when you teach them manually. -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past. -- Thomas Jefferson Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 6:38 PM, neurowerx wrote: I wonder why many people are using Bayes filtering as the only measure again spam. 95% of the spam I get is being caught by SpamPal alone (DNS blacklist feature). I only use the Bayesian plugin to Spampal as an addition (the few mails that get thru first place make training it very easy). I use Popfile alone because it *doesn't* use DNS blacklists. I have philosophical issues with DNS blacklists. And, at 99% + accuracy, Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) -- Best Regards, Terry Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello neurowerx, Good point. However, I believe that DNS blacklists are updated faster than popfile will learn IP addresses when you teach them manually. I don't teach IPs to POPFile. It learns by itself. The only thing I tell POPFile is if a message it has classified as spam and it isn't, or the other way around. And with 99,71% accuracy this happens very infrequently. I think it was two days ago I told POPFile that a message was not spam. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:19 PM, you wrote: SpamPal also makes less mistakes than PopFile. M Can SpamPal do much better than 99,71% accuracy? I doubt it, because M even 100% isn't that much more ;-) well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work, but because I finally noticed that the slowdown in receiving mail was only on the accounts that had spampal setup. Now I am back to getting my mail FAST. I'll let comcast deal with the spam, and TB filters. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote: DK Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 3:09:00 PM, MAU wrote: M Are you using any filter to sort messages classified as spam M by POPFile? If so, this filter should be placed _before_ the M Known filter. DK I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get DK e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I DK don't want to lose those messages. ...but that defeats the purpose of training material. Within popfile, one can create magnets to force a classification, or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email detection. WL DK -- DK Dave Kennedy DK DK Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: DK http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Dave, I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material in it. I don't want to lose those messages. Loose messages No matter what method, program, filter, whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you somehow review them. There are always false positives and false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are. Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some spam messages leaking through as you say in your original post. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
15-Jul-2003 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work, but because I finally noticed that the slowdown in receiving mail was only on the accounts that had spampal setup. Now I am back to getting my mail FAST. I'd say that depends on how frequently you receive mail from the same persons, and spampal has a chance to auto-whitelist the corresponding address. Mail retrieval is only slow for addresses that need to be checked against the DNSBLs. If you're received mail from new addresses all the time, it will be slow, and spampal is not the best solution, I agree. OTOH - I am on not on a dial-up connection and don't care whether my mail retrieval is fast or slow. In fact, I don't even notice it. Whether spampal takes 1 or 30 seconds to process a single email, TB just runs and periodically checks for mails, and when its there, its there. :-) -- Best regards, neurowerx (http://www.neurowerx.de) If there is hope for men, it is because we are animals. -- Robert Ardrey Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:19 PM, you wrote: nwd 15-Jul-2003 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work, but because I finally noticed that the slowdown in receiving mail was only on the accounts that had spampal setup. Now I am back to getting my mail FAST. nwd I'd say that depends on how frequently you receive mail from the same nwd persons, and spampal has a chance to auto-whitelist the corresponding nwd address. Mail retrieval is only slow for addresses that need to be checked nwd against the DNSBLs. If you're received mail from new addresses all the nwd time, it will be slow, and spampal is not the best solution, I agree. either I have my filters setup wrong, or all the lists I'm on make it so spampal DOES have to check, because mail always seemed slow. nwd OTOH - I am on not on a dial-up connection and don't care whether my mail nwd retrieval is fast or slow. In fact, I don't even notice it. Whether spampal nwd takes 1 or 30 seconds to process a single email, TB just runs and nwd periodically checks for mails, and when its there, its there. :-) I'm on cablemodem myself, but I don't keep TB running all the time, so when I fire it up, it does take some time to process the mail. I would constantly get mail with **SPAM** in the header, reply, and forget to take that out of the subject! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Terry, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:03:03 PM, you wrote: T I use Popfile alone because it *doesn't* use DNS blacklists. I have T philosophical issues with DNS blacklists. And, at 99% + accuracy, T Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) Moderator This is not directed at Terry, but the thread in general. We're kinda getting OT with this thread. Please move it to TBOT. Thanks. /Moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/10 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello neurowerx, Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:32:42 PM, you wrote: nwd 15-Jul-2003 21:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about other Bayesian filters but for POPFile, for example IP addresses are just words that it can use to classify messages. And it sure does learn and use IP lists. nwd Good point. However, I believe that DNS blacklists are updated faster than nwd popfile will learn IP addresses when you teach them manually. The problem with 'black lists' is that inevitably there are a lot of people on them that should not be. I maintain a list server and I can tell you that several of us (I talk with other list managers) get black listed every other month or so for various reasons, but mostly because the list maintainers do not do due diligence when someone says they got spamed from such and so address. So I will never use a black list to determine spam. So far I am still trying to get something bayesian that will work for me. I have hopes for the new bayesian plug-in for TB. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello MAU, you wrote: Can I say that I doubt it? :-) Yes, you can, but have you tried SpamPal? I can honestly say I have used both! And Popfile's stats will fool you, believe me I know, I used Popfile. Popfile uses only Bayesian, SpamPal uses a combination of effective spam fighting techniques. SpamPal is still the best! -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello Terry, you wrote: And, at 99% + accuracy, Popfile makes it really easy for me to stick to my principles. :) This is always the main point that Popfile users stick too. I too (although losing many good emails) was assured by Popfile itself that it was doing such a good job why it kept telling me that it was doing better than 98% accuracy. LOL I wonder how many would stay with Popfile if they done away with this most inaccurate part of the program? -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello Paul, you wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work LOL, yeaH right I guess not all software is idiot-proof -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering
Hello MikeD, you wrote: The problem with 'black lists' is that inevitably there are a lot of people on them that should not be. Did you know that you can un-check this feature from SpamPal if you do not wish to use it? -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
Hello John, you wrote: well, I just got rid of spampal, not because it didn't work LOL, yeaH right I guess not all software is idiot-proof whoops I thought you were saying that it didn't work. I see you said not because it didn't work My Appologies! -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering - SpamPal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Morse, [JM] wrote: JM whoops I thought you were saying that it didn't work. JM I see you said not because it didn't work JM My Appologies! moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out John. Leif already interjected that this thread be stopped. It's becoming a high traffic thread with very little useful returns at this juncture. We've already heard that SpamPal and POPFile seem to work well for members on this list. It's time to wrap it up here and move on, or take any further discussion off list. This thread has now been declared DEAD . as in DEAD HORSE!! Thank you. /moderator - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPxR4EVfJ62ArBxfiEQICxACdGizp5iEHll4HvwpFSdW1UyZsrE4AoLIg Uz8BEkr4nQaew45PbOF4fL4Q =lbPH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
inbox-known ?
Hello list Probably a stupid question, but what is the purpose of the Inbox-Known folder which was created automatically on installation? -- Best regards, Andy Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: inbox-known ?
Sh'mae Andy, On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, at 23:52:31 [GMT +0100] (23:52 where I live) you wrote: AM Hello list AM Probably a stupid question, but what is the purpose of the AM Inbox-Known folder which was created automatically on AM installation? There is a special filter that can be activated that means that any incoming mail from a person already in your address book gets shunted into this folder. Consider it step one in SPAM management. A -- 09 August 2002, 00:33 [ Adam Rykala : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ [new-wales] project : www.new-wales.net ] [ Public key : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware. All my emails are scanned with AntiVir's Antivirus Mail Gateway for Linux. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Restoring 'Inbox - Known'
On Monday, June 17, 2002, 18:21, Joseph N. wrote: I cannot delete the filter. The folder's long gone, and the 'remove' button in the Sorting Office is grayed out for the 'Known' filter. Same here. I think I deleted it somewhere during the beta series, haven't looked at it since. Sorry, should have checked that before posting. -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Inbox - Known Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?
Hello Miles! On Friday, June 14, 2002 at 9:03:31 PM you wrote: It boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the updated program's FAQ. The FAQ does not come from RITLabs. And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough resources to hire a full-time,. professional help/FAQ writer. If TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western currencies for theirs... Ever heard of the difference between number of downloads, number of copies in use, number of customers and number of paid copies around? I don't know if RITLabs is wealthy already or not. There are a lot of things to be factored into this equation - one of them being interes rates, another being payback money. Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW? Yes, it was asked for. I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way? Maybe, although not me. Are you sticking to 1.53 because it satisfies your needs or because you are pissed by RITLabs' communication skills? Call me crazy but in my humble, non-geeky opinion what WOULD have made sense - and created a lot less havoc among TB users, AND generated a lot more business in these spam-crazed times - would have been for Ritlabs to create a folder called unknown for all the spam... and to implement an easy, customer-friendly way to customize it. Which is the Inbox folder - if you use Known or filters to sort your known associates' messages into other folders. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60q on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time. (Abraham Lincoln) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Inbox - Known Folder?
Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named Inbox - Known in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder. What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation. -- Alan Little Holotech Enterprises Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
On Friday, June 14, 2002, Alan Little wrote... Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named Inbox - Known in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder. What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation. It's used in conjunction with the Known filter. If you have that filter switched on, all mail addressed from people in your address book gets put into that folder... should make it a little easier to identify spam ;) As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
Hey Alan, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 10:43:56 AM. AL Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 AL I just upgraded to 1.60q, and it created a folder named Inbox - AL Known in each of my accounts, just above the Inbox standard folder. AL What is this for? I can't find anything about it in the documentation. From What's new in The Bat! 1.60? [+] The Known incoming mail filter for moving messages from known senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for unknown senders and spam :-) Basically, you have a default filter that will move any message with an entry in your add book to it. You do have to turn on the filter... It is called Known and I believe it is supposed to be last. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60q (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
Hey Jonathan, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 11:16:22 AM. JA As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a JA nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;) Not a bad idea... Marck? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60q (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Why get even, when you can get odd? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tim, @14 June 2002, 11:20:14 -0400 (16:20 UK time) Tim Musson wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JA As this question has been asked several times... might it not be a JA nice addition to add to the FAQ (whoever maintains it?) ;) Not a bad idea... Marck? I'll go for that ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9CgzNOeQkq5KdzaARAsvVAJ0UQfdmmzrb4osMmcom40i0BO6P+ACeKWFX MY0uaqlMqPSnd2m4Er7+WHk= =szH5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: Inbox - Known Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?
TM [+] The Known incoming mail filter for moving messages from known TM senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for unknown TM senders and spam :-) Well I've been trying to figure this out ever since it was implemented, seen all kinds of people upset about this... It boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the updated program's FAQ. This begs the question: WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING? And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough resources to hire a full-time,. professional help/FAQ writer. If TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western currencies for theirs... Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW? I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way? Call me crazy but in my humble, non-geeky opinion what WOULD have made sense - and created a lot less havoc among TB users, AND generated a lot more business in these spam-crazed times - would have been for Ritlabs to create a folder called unknown for all the spam... and to implement an easy, customer-friendly way to customize it. Having been a Bat user for a while now I'm convinced that we are dealing here with a team that is made not only of good code-writers but also of very intelligent people. So, I will ask my question once again (not that I expect an answer from them, but perhaps some constructive thoughts from other users): WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING? Have a great weekend, everyone. Best regards, Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53d Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known Folder? WHAT ARE THESE FOLKS THINKING?
Hey Miles, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal to write the following on Friday, June 14, 2002 at 3:03:31 PM. TM [+] The Known incoming mail filter for moving messages from TM known senders to a special folder so the Inbox can be left for TM unknown senders and spam :-) MJ Well I've been trying to figure this out ever since it was MJ implemented, seen all kinds of people upset about this... It MJ boggles the mind that several WEEKS after this (potentially very MJ useful) feature is implemented there's still NOTHING on the MJ updated program's FAQ. RIT does not maintain the FAQ, it is maintained from this list. MJ This begs the question: MJ WHAT on earth are these good folks THINKING? No answer for you there, other than that is how it always has been. MJ And please, please don't tell us that they don't have enough MJ resources to hire a full-time,. professional help/FAQ writer. If MJ TB truly has millions of users, by now Ritlabs is extremely MJ wealthy, especially considering the exchange rate of western MJ currencies for theirs... Um, ~$30 US for each copy [over the years]... I don't know the exchange rate, but ... MJ Lo and behold, this morning I also get a message from Ritlabs MJ stating the changes since 1.53. Wow, how many weeks has it been MJ since the first iteration of 1.60 and we're getting this NOW? The change list they sent out this AM is the same one that has been in every 1.60 dl... MJ I'm sticking to 1.53... Do others feel the same way? N, 1.60 has way too many cool features! SmartBat being one. And check this one out, I key 54*23= then with my cursor on one of those chars I do a shift+ctrl+= and it changes it to.54*23=1242 Now I don't need to grab MS's horrible calculator... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60q (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) What could possibly go wrong? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Inbox - Known (was: What happened to Help?)
Hello Thomas! On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 8:07:31 AM you wrote: MSG and how I get rid of it if I don't want it? Don't know. For all those who couldn't follow the lists in the past few weeks - and those that don't know what an archive is: Got to your Sorting Office and disable the Known filter. After that (and may be are-start of TB!) the said folder should be gone. If not, you can now delete ist and it'll be gone until you enable the filter again. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60k on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Calling Things by their right name marks the beginning of Wisdom. Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Inbox - Known (was: What happened to Help?)
Hello Michael, On Tue, 21 May 2002 18:25:04 -0700 GMT (22/05/02, 08:25 +0700 GMT), Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: MSG Is this a problem on my computer or with the program? It's not a problem, it's a new feature. MSG Meanwhile, can anyone tell me what this Inbox-Known is, why I need it, You can filter mails of known senders (i.e. those who are in your addressbook) into that Inbox, rather than the general Inbox. I use it and read those messages before I read the general Inbox. Check out the new incoming filter Known in the Sorting Office. This filter makes it happen. MSG and how I get rid of it if I don't want it? Don't know. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ich bin ferner mit meinen Nerven am Ende und habe mit einer schweren Kastritis zu tun. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60k under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60m FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[4]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error [SOLVED]
Ta-dah! I've found the cause and thought I should share with community and developers, so here goes. Many thanks to all that responded with ideas, too! It turns out that during some aspect of the upgrade process from 1.53d through 1.60h to 1.60j (current), and/or deleting my Inbox - Known folder, *some* of my existing mail filters lost their criteria. It's not clumsy keyboard use I know, because it was a random minority of a few of my filters, no obvious pattern, and I have about eight filters in total of which most were unaffected. The upshot is that the first filter that had lost its matching criterion simply funnelled all inbound mail into the target folder. Put the criteria back in place, sorted out my inbox, and we're all back to normal. Maybe just a glitch during upgrade, but thought I should mention. -- Best regards, James. Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[3]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
Jonathan, JA Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have JA the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It JA may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits JA that rule, it has no reason to continue processing. The problem is actually that everything gets moved by a single filter that only actually matches a tiny portion of the matched messages, so it's not the continue processing that needs to be on. Thanks for the tip all the same! I've had some suggestions to try one of the betas, so I'll post a message here once I see how it goes. -- Best regards, James Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[3]: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
On Sun, 5 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan, JA Not sure if this is helpful... Have you made sure that you have JA the Continue processing set? I cannot remember the full name. It JA may have become switched off some how... and as soon as it hits JA that rule, it has no reason to continue processing. The problem is actually that everything gets moved by a single filter that only actually matches a tiny portion of the matched messages, so it's not the continue processing that needs to be on. Thanks for the tip all the same! I've had some suggestions to try one of the betas, so I'll post a message here once I see how it goes. Just another quick idea... move one of your other filters (or create a temp filter) above that single filter that is moving everything into one folder. See what happens then. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: separate Inbox-Known for each address book
Hello John. At 1:03 PM on Friday, May 03, 2002 you wrote the following about [separate Inbox-Known for each address book]: John I've split my address book into two - work folks and John personal folks. Can I make an Inbox - Known rule for John each address book? I believe you can. Check properties/incoming filters to name your AB of choice. But, remember, for simplicity purposes, you can maintain only one AB create different groups which you can also select. I find this more efficient. HTH -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60c/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: Bug? -- 1.60 Inbox-Known Deletion Causes Filtering Error
At Saturday, May 4, 2002, 4:15:31 AM, role+the wrote: Hi, I think the old bug-reporting changed, but I can't find or remember where it goes now, so herewith my findings... Just upgraded to 1.60h, running NT4. I found I couldn't move the Inbox - Known folder into a sub-folder, and it's not a feature I want right now. The filter is NOT marked as active anyway. So, I deleted the Inbox - Known folder. Ever since, *all* my incoming mail is filtered into a folder that is the target of *one* of my rules. It doesn't matter whether the incoming mail should arrive in my Inbox, or whether it should be filtered by one of my filters -- it's *all* transferred to the single destination. Any ideas? Is the known filter set to active? -- Mikemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.60i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
