Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hi On Monday 29 June 2009 at 8:14:50 PM, in mid:1741903574.20090629201...@privateofcourse.co.uk, Privateofcourse wrote: ...and you have to click them a lot ;-) Why do you have to click them a lot? Surely you only click on the folders that have new message, and I would have thought that took the same number of clicks whether they were inside or outside the inbox. Is that not the case? -- Best regards, MFPA Always borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:37:39 +0100 your time: ...and you have to click them a lot ;-) Why do you have to click them a lot? Surely you only click on the folders that have new message... No worried, it was my (obviously failed) attempt at humour. That is, you said: There are pluses and minuses to that. So I was referring to the visual pluses and minuses that you click to expand and minimise the folder tree. Yeah, I know! If you've got a load of nested folders of course it's a lot more clicking :-) -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Privateofcourse, On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:49:54 +0100 GMT (30/Jun/09, 2:49 +0700 GMT), Privateofcourse wrote: Any new folder will be under (inside) the Inbox. when I realise that the traffic is significant, it will be moved outside. Folders that are outside might be moved inside if the traffic is little. P That's different...well, to me I mean. Different strokes to different folks. That's normal. Reason is that high traffic folders are reacheed easier when they are shown outside. P I have foolders named 'Inbox - news', 'Inbox - voicemail', 'Inbox - fax' and P 'Inbox - sms' directly under the account Inbox. Under them I have a folder P called Lists, and inside them dedicated folders for lists. All my other P folders are grouped and nested below them in the account tree. So yes, I get P that, as I have moved all the busier folders just below the Inbox. If it works for you, that is OK. Everybody is different. The beauty of TheBat! is that it is very configurable. However, too many folders shown outside makes the account tree view too long, and a lot of scrolling is involved, so low-traffic folders are better located under the Inbox. P Yeah, that's the problem with the folder metaphor though. I can't stop P creating related folders and new categories. I'm always pruning and merging P groups so that the scrolling and navigation is less cumbersome. ;-) I agree. Should this man be under 'Friends' or get his own folder? is a common question I have. Simplifying the problem, of course. I use Incoming filters (and Outgoing filters, should be combined...) rather than Read filters. I have a feeling your paradigm favours Read filters. P From what I posted I can see why you came to that conclusion. It P does rather indicate that I use read filters. However, I don't P really, preferring to use incoming and outgoing filtering and P manually sorting / deleting other stuff that is left. I see. Again, no problem, as TheBat! is so flexible that (almost) anything is possible. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Rick, This is what you said on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:08:49 -0400 your time: Hello TBUDL, JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the Inbox? I create all mine outside the Inbox. There are pluses and minuses to that. Yes, there are...and you have to click them a lot ;-) One good way that has been pointed out is to have a VIRTUAL inbox outside the inboxes that shows the content of all your inboxes then folders beneath that to which you sort mail as needed Sounds interesting. I must confess to pretty much ignoring the virtual folders feature up until now. I dabbled a while back then reverted to a more 'traditional' set up. Old habits I suppose. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello MFPA, This is what you said on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:29:09 +0100 your time: Mine are all outside of the inbox. Seems that the outsiders are in the majority :-) Well, if it works for her and does what she wants it to... Yeah, very true! Who am I to meddle... When I first got a PC and used Outlook Express, my folders were all outside the inbox. It would not have occurred to me to put them inside the Inbox, even though I nested some of my folders inside other related ones. Me neither. It would also not have occurred to me to look for a guide to tell me how to organise my folders (-; She's a little bit OCD, so it doesn't surprise me at all. I recently worked with somebody who created folders within the inbox in Outlook. The rest of us who shared that computer would always move them out for her and put them with the rest of the folders. This was not just me, as sometimes I would decide I was moving it later, then find it already moved the next time I looked at Outlook. You just can't help some people ;-) [...] meaning the messagebase files are accessed for a very large number of read/write operations, which increases the possibility of the messagebase becoming corrupted. That's what was crossing my mind... A sub-folder within the Inbox is still a distinct folder with its own messagebase files, so should still guard against this eventuality - IMHO. ...but I didn't think of that obvious answer! And of course, you must be correct. Same here. In fact, all my inboxes contain zero messages Yup, exactly the same here. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Thomas, This is what you said on Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:38:28 +0700 your time: Any new folder will be under (inside) the Inbox. when I realise that the traffic is significant, it will be moved outside. Folders that are outside might be moved inside if the traffic is little. That's different...well, to me I mean. Reason is that high traffic folders are reacheed easier when they are shown outside. I have foolders named 'Inbox - news', 'Inbox - voicemail', 'Inbox - fax' and 'Inbox - sms' directly under the account Inbox. Under them I have a folder called Lists, and inside them dedicated folders for lists. All my other folders are grouped and nested below them in the account tree. So yes, I get that, as I have moved all the busier folders just below the Inbox. However, too many folders shown outside makes the account tree view too long, and a lot of scrolling is involved, so low-traffic folders are better located under the Inbox. Yeah, that's the problem with the folder metaphor though. I can't stop creating related folders and new categories. I'm always pruning and merging groups so that the scrolling and navigation is less cumbersome. ;-) I use Incoming filters (and Outgoing filters, should be combined...) rather than Read filters. I have a feeling your paradigm favours Read filters. From what I posted I can see why you came to that conclusion. It does rather indicate that I use read filters. However, I don't really, preferring to use incoming and outgoing filtering and manually sorting / deleting other stuff that is left. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24383. Rig Owe New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Privateofcourse, On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:26:47 +0100 GMT (26/Jun/09, 18:26 +0700 GMT), Privateofcourse wrote: P JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the P Inbox? Any new folder will be under (inside) the Inbox. when I realise that the traffic is significant, it will be moved outside. Folders that are outside might be moved inside if the traffic is little. Reason is that high traffic folders are reacheed easier when they are shown outside. However, too many folders shown outside makes the account tree view too long, and a lot of scrolling is involved, so low-traffic folders are better located under the Inbox. P Do you think there are any good or valid reasons for not creating P subfolders within Inboxes, and specifically, the TB! Inbox? I've always P created them outside of the Inbox, rather seeing the Inbox as a metaphor P for an in-tray, so a temporary area that you sort out and then file stuff P elsewhere. I use Incoming filters (and Outgoing filters, should be combined...) rather than Read filters. I have a feeling your paradigm favours Read filters. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello TBUDL, JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the Inbox? I was visiting a friend last night and noticed that she'd created folders inside of her email client's Inbox. There were quite a few folders in there as well. She's an Outlook Express user, and won't budge from it. I commented on the folders and she said that she'd followed an online guide, and sure enough, there's a How-to available showing OE users how to do it. In fact there are a number of guides for OE users describing this method of organization. Do you think there are any good or valid reasons for not creating subfolders within Inboxes, and specifically, the TB! Inbox? I've always created them outside of the Inbox, rather seeing the Inbox as a metaphor for an in-tray, so a temporary area that you sort out and then file stuff elsewhere. Anyhow... -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #12472. Row Wed Neo Gish? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello Ian, This is what you said on Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:56:55 +1000 your time: [...]The reason is that they are incoming messages that are current. If I want to archive messages then they go into folders that are NOT off the Inbox. Okay, I follow your logic, but then how long does a message stay current before it is flagged for archiving? And do you manually or automatically archive? Or is it archiving rarely done but often thought about ;-) Now this is not because I used Outlook or Outlook Express. I have NEVER used them. It just seems to be a logical way to set folders up. Yeah, sorry about that. It does sort of read like I was suggesting that only Outlook and OE users would stoop to such a practise. It is a bit like having folders off My Documents to store other data files. Some have them all off the root folder. Again, I had a documents folder off the root folder with my data folders off that documents folder long before it ever became a standard with Windows. Good explanation. I actually loathe and detest the My Documents folder, but then that's not the point as I completely see where you are coming from :)) In the grand scheme of things, it does not matter what you do as long as you have some logic behind it. Yeah, true enough. Whatever works for you is about right. Having related folders grouped can make things easier when it comes to searching or backing up. [...] Indeed, and sadly I'm a bit of an 'organis-a-holic' so the depths/levels to my related folders often become quite unwieldilyI do have to rein in and simplify. My wife says it's a curse...on her! lol -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #10340. Drew Go In Whose? ¶ TB! 4.2.4 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hello TBUDL, JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the Inbox? I create all mine outside the Inbox. There are pluses and minuses to that. One good way that has been pointed out is to have a VIRTUAL inbox outside the inboxes that shows the content of all your inboxes then folders beneath that to which you sort mail as needed -- Rick Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hi On Friday 26 June 2009 at 12:26:47 PM, in mid:1947019524.20090626122...@privateofcourse.co.uk, Privateofcourse wrote: JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the Inbox? Mine are all outside of the inbox. I was visiting a friend last night and noticed that she'd created folders inside of her email client's Inbox. There were quite a few folders in there as well. She's an Outlook Express user, and won't budge from it. Well, if it works for her and does what she wants it to... When I first got a PC and used Outlook Express, my folders were all outside the inbox. It would not have occurred to me to put them inside the Inbox, even though I nested some of my folders inside other related ones. I commented on the folders and she said that she'd followed an online guide, and sure enough, there's a How-to available showing OE users how to do it. In fact there are a number of guides for OE users describing this method of organization. It would also not have occurred to me to look for a guide to tell me how to organise my folders (-; I see the logic behind that scheme - it's just not /my/ logic. I recently worked with somebody who created folders within the inbox in Outlook. The rest of us who shared that computer would always move them out for her and put them with the rest of the folders. This was not just me, as sometimes I would decide I was moving it later, then find it already moved the next time I looked at Outlook. Do you think there are any good or valid reasons for not creating subfolders within Inboxes, and specifically, the TB! Inbox? IIRC, the wisdom about not leaving your mails in the inbox is because it is a very high-traffic folder; meaning the messagebase files are accessed for a very large number of read/write operations, which increases the possibility of the messagebase becoming corrupted. A sub-folder within the Inbox is still a distinct folder with its own messagebase files, so should still guard against this eventuality - IMHO. I've always created them outside of the Inbox, rather seeing the Inbox as a metaphor for an in-tray, so a temporary area that you sort out and then file stuff elsewhere. Same here. In fact, all my inboxes contain zero messages - the last filter in each account moves any message not yet picked up by a filter to an other incoming folder and I move, action, or delete from there. (-: -- Best regards, MFPA Confusion is always the most honest response Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inbox organisation: folders inside or outside?
Hallo Simon, On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:26:47 +0100GMT (26-6-2009, 13:26 +0200, where I live), you wrote: P JOOC, where do TB! users create their folders? Inside or outside of the P Inbox? In my seven accounts with 200+ folders (together) I've got exactly one subfolder in one of my inboxes. P Do you think there are any good or valid reasons for not creating P subfolders within Inboxes, and specifically, the TB! Inbox? You've got to live with it, so you'd best use your own logic for ordering them. -- Groetjes, Roelof Live short and fester. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.2.6 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpz7sUGZ2uax.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
