Re: OTFE - some questions
Hello Roelof, On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 03:07:56 +0100 GMT (05/Jan/11, 9:07 AM +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: M 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc) RO Unknown M 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files? RO None M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the Mmessages? RO Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's RO backups are unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with RO encryption for your backups. M 7. Can Voyager use OTFE? RO Wrong question. ;-) RO Voyager only uses OTFE, it can't use a plain message base. I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question: I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of, but cannot remember the old password. I understand if I just reinstall Voyager, I still cannot read the message base. Is there any way at all to retrieve the messages, or are they lost forever? BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.36.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hallo Thomas, On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:28:57 +0700GMT (8-1-2011, 12:28 , where I live), you wrote: TF I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question: TF I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires TF a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of, TF but cannot remember the old password. In that case the stored messages are lost to everyone, including to you. That's why making backups was so important with Voyager. TF BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides? Don't know, never had any real use for Voyager, so I stopped testing it. But you could download the latest version and try it for yourself. -- Groetjes, Roelof And who among you shall moderate the moderators? http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.127 BETA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp2UWehzmx4G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hello Roelof, On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:53:29 +0100 GMT (08/Jan/11, 22:53 PM +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question: TF I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires TF a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of, TF but cannot remember the old password. RO In that case the stored messages are lost to everyone, including to RO you. That's why making backups was so important with Voyager. I see. I used Voyager only as a crutch when travelling, as Thailand's internet access was too slow and unreliable for IMAP or webmail. This has changed in the meantime, and I now use webmail if I cannot use POP with my laptop or IMAP with the iPhone. TF BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides? RO Don't know, never had any real use for Voyager, so I stopped testing RO it. But you could download the latest version and try it for yourself. Never mind, I don't really have a need for Voyager any more. However, it was indeed a very usefull tool at the time. I was just curious as to what mails were on that old USB stick, which I just found during house moving. Thanks for your reply. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.36.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
On Wed, 2011-01-05, MFPA wrote: M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted M location, such as a TrueCrypt container? The difference is that when you've mounted the encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad' list) can access your message base. When you're using OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins. Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working with/editing it? Well, since I believe that OTFE stands for On The Fly Encription I imagine that whole files are not decrypted, but instead TB has a sort of builtin driver to access the mail database while only decrypting and encrypting a buffer at a time. -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hi On Wednesday 5 January 2011 at 2:07:56 AM, in mid:1674303343.20110105030...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote: M 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a M blank password? It's easy to guess the password If TB! allows a blank password during installation, does the encryption still work? M 5. Can you change the password? Only by creating a backup, uninstalling TB, delete everything in the mail directory, install TB again, restore the backup That sounds like a bit of hassle, to say the least! M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further M access to the messages? Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's backups are unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with encryption for your backups. I just found that if you select to encrypt the backup, the encryption algorithm is RC2. M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted M location, such as a TrueCrypt container? The difference is that when you've mounted the encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad' list) can access your message base. When you're using OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins. Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working with/editing it? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OTFE - some questions
Hi I have a few questions about OTFE. Been saving them up! 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc) 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files? 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a blank password? 4. Are the Address Books and message templates encrypted, or just the messages? 5. Can you change the password? 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the messages? 7. Can Voyager use OTFE? 8. If hardware tokens are used, is a password still required? 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply locating your mail folder in an encrypted location, such as a TrueCrypt container? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hallo MFPA, On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:26:58 +GMT (5-1-2011, 0:26 , where I live), you wrote: M 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc) Unknown M 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files? None M 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a blank password? It's easy to guess the password M 4. Are the Address Books and message templates encrypted, or just the Mmessages? Everything, included the tabs by smartbat M 5. Can you change the password? Only by creating a backup, uninstalling TB, delete everything in the mail directory, install TB again, restore the backup M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the Mmessages? Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's backups are unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with encryption for your backups. M 7. Can Voyager use OTFE? Wrong question. ;-) Voyager only uses OTFE, it can't use a plain message base. M 8. If hardware tokens are used, is a password still required? I don't know. M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply locating your mail Mfolder in an encrypted location, such as a TrueCrypt container? The difference is that when you've mounted the encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad' list) can access your message base. When you're using OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins. -- Groetjes, Roelof Why experiment on animals, when there are so many Windows users around http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.125 BETA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpBqPW9nZulV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
