Re: Question about The bat
Hello Christian, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:45:42 +0200GMT Christian wrote: C> I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i C> couldnt navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons, etc. A friend of mine also uses Windows Eyes, so I know it is possible. She uses TheBat 3.85.03 but I cannot say which version of Windows Eyes. Unfortunately she only speeks german but if you whish I could send you her address per PM. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about The bat
Hello Christian, Monday, October 16, 2006, 11:45:42 AM, you wrote: > I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i > couldnt navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons, > etc. Hmmm... Not sure... The only other visually impaired person I know of who was using TB used Jaws. There were some quirks if I remember, but they were able to use it ok. I don't recall whether there was anything to do about TB being in a "classic" state or not. On the toolbar is Options and under options is themes with one of them being "Windows Default". I don't know if that'd help. -- TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x5D167202 __ Geocaching:http://gps.PCWize.com ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons & Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Sometimes *I* can't stand myself, EITHER! Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Top posting (was: Question about The bat)
Hallo Christian, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:45:42 +0200GMT (16-10-2006, 19:45 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C> Christian C> On 2006-10-17 at 00:32 Thomas Fernandez wrote: Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. )<)))'> This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. -- Groetjes, Roelof Isn't it funny that only the moderators ever object to chat? pgpLXuBpCRHgM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Christian, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200GMT (16-10-2006, 19:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C> Hi all, Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. )<)))'> Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading mail client. See "View | View threads by | Reference" to see where it ended up. The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread instead of by all users. I recommend that you post your question again using a "New message" if you want to see more replies to your query. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderators R Us. pgpr6xw9Roffw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Christian, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200GMT (16-10-2006, 19:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C> Christian Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. )<)))'> Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a , i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. -- Groetjes, Roelof Have you hugged your moderator today? pgpvpXEIax44y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Question about The bat
Hi, I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i couldnt navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons, etc. Many thanks, Christian On 2006-10-17 at 00:32 Thomas Fernandez wrote: >Hello Christian, > >On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:24 +0700 GMT), >Christian wrote: > >C> I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties. >C> Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the >C> programs look to a more windows classic? The dialogs are not very >C> accessible to me with my screen reader. > >Which screenreader are you using? TB should be accessible by now. > >-- > >Cheers, >Thomas. > >On a Korean kitchen knife... Warning: Keep out of children. >http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ > >Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 >under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 > > > > > > >Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: >http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question about The bat
Hello Christian, On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:24 +0700 GMT), Christian wrote: C> I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties. C> Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the C> programs look to a more windows classic? The dialogs are not very C> accessible to me with my screen reader. Which screenreader are you using? TB should be accessible by now. -- Cheers, Thomas. On a Korean kitchen knife... Warning: Keep out of children. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question about The bat
Hi all, I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties. Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the programs look to a more windows classic? The dialogs are not very accessible to me with my screen reader. Many thanks, Christian Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Friday, March 28, 2003, 3:15:12 PM, Kim wrote: K> What I'm wondering is in the "Pro" version of Kaspersky, where do they K> classify The Bat plug-in? Is it grouped under the Mail Checker part K> (which in Personal is just for Outlook), or is it in another element K> of the program? Would either of you happen to know? I'd like to avoid K> that particular DLL file, if possible. Hi Kim, The AV plugin for TB! is a COM-based one it says - and you actually install it from within TB! not from within Kaspersky. To do this you need to go to the Options menu » Virus Protection » Add Virus Checking plugins section and click the Add button. You'll be given the option to add an external plugin (.bav extension) or the Kaspersky one. Select the Kaspersky one and it'll be automatically installed. Then you just need to set the options you want in the rest of the tab... i.e. scan incoming/outgoing, and how to deal with infected mails, attachments, etc... Next time you launch TB! you'll see the mail plugin load as well as TB! BTW don't forget to turn off the real time scaner from checking mail databases/plain text mails if it's enabled already. -- Cheers, Anne The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hello Kim! On Friday, March 28, 2003, 9:15 AM, you wrote: K> Hi Mary and Anne, K> ... I appreciate all of your helpful information! I have had a problem K> with the AVG MailChecker.dll file in Kaspersky recently ... K> ... What I'm wondering is in the "Pro" version of Kaspersky, where do K> they classify The Bat plug-in? Is it grouped under the Mail Checker K> part (which in Personal is just for Outlook), or is it in another K> element of the program? Would either of you happen to know? I'd like K> to avoid that particular DLL file, if possible. Kim, I just brought up the Readme file on my Mailchecker subfolder. It does say that it is only for Outlook. So I may have an unnecessary component just taking up space--but my HD, RAM, and system resources are large, and I think I'll just leave it. There was not a word about the TB! plug-in in this Readme file. I think the best thing to do would be to ask Kaspersky in what part of the Pro program the TB! plug-in is stored, explaining that you don't want Mail Checker, if you upgrade. It looks to me like the plug-in is separate from Mail Checker, since my Readme file mentions only Outlook. But I'm just barely a cut above computer illiterate. Perhaps Anne will have some thoughts. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hi Mary and Anne, Friday, March 28, 2003, 9:21:47 AM, you wrote: > Kim, I thought it might help you in making your comparison to know the > subfolders that are in my Kaspersky Anti-Virus Personal Pro folder. > There are 10: > Control Centre, Mail Checker, Monitor, Rescue Disk, Scanner, Script > Checker, Updater, Inspector, Office Guard, Virus List Generator. > You could see if these are the ones in your personal version. > I do use the plug-in. It works seamlessly--I have it configured for both > incoming and outgoing mail. I have it configured to ask before taking > action. The only times I have had any indication of its presence were > the couple of viruses that it caught--the last one was So Big, which > came in on a trusted list but was easily deleted. I appreciate all of your helpful information! I have had a problem with the AVG MailChecker.dll file in Kaspersky recently, which concerns me, which I've explained below: In Kaspersky Personal, there's a Mail Checker feature that's a plug-in that only works with Outlook. I don't have Outlook, but I still had originally installed the Mail Checker component (although I was unable to use it, of course). Recently I uninstalled my older build of Kaspersky Personal 4.0 and chose to install the newest one. I ran into a problem, which I contacted Kaspersky about, and the only resolution we were able to come up with was to uninstall the Mail Checker component. The problem was this: When uninstalling Kaspersky Personal (and installing the new version), I received an error message when it got to AVG MailChecker.dll which was this: The following files did not self-register or unregister It then listed the path to the AVG MailChecker.dll file -- then it gave me the message that "the operating system cannot run", which I thought was rather odd. Initially, when this error occurred, the program didn't want to totally uninstall, so I wrote to Kaspersky and asked them how to manually uninstall Kaspersky Personal. They sent me a utility that did so. Although the uninstall process went ok then, When I tried to reinstall, I received the same error message about AVG MailChecker.dll. Like I mentioned before, the only way around it was to totally uninstall Kaspersky, use the clean-up utility they sent me, and then reinstall, omitting the Mail Checker feature (I also omitted the Control Center, as I always do because I don't like that feature. It has always seemed to bog things down, and isn't a totally necessary element, so I do without it). What I'm wondering is in the "Pro" version of Kaspersky, where do they classify The Bat plug-in? Is it grouped under the Mail Checker part (which in Personal is just for Outlook), or is it in another element of the program? Would either of you happen to know? I'd like to avoid that particular DLL file, if possible. Thanks for your help. :) -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hello Anne and Kim! On Friday, March 28, 2003, 4:15 AM, Anne wrote, replying to Kim: K>> BTW, do you use the Personal or Personal Pro version of Kaspersky? K>> If it is Pro, do you find the extras in the Pro version worth the K>> extra $50? A> ... For an A> individual user I very much doubt that the upgrade is worth doing to A> be honest. It seems to be more aimed at networked PC's. I haven't A> found anything else in Pro that won't work in Personal except the A> network facilities. Others using the Pro may be able to add more info A> though. I bought the Personal Pro version several months ago without ever using the Personal version, so I can't compare. They were running a sale and I got it for about $80. I have been very pleased with it. Occasionally after an automatic update my keyboard input will slow for a few minutes--I assume Kaspersky is running an automatic scan using the new virus signatures then. Since I use my computer only for personal enjoyment, this occasional slow-down is not a problem for me. Kim, I thought it might help you in making your comparison to know the subfolders that are in my Kaspersky Anti-Virus Personal Pro folder. There are 10: Control Centre, Mail Checker, Monitor, Rescue Disk, Scanner, Script Checker, Updater, Inspector, Office Guard, Virus List Generator. You could see if these are the ones in your personal version. I do use the plug-in. It works seamlessly--I have it configured for both incoming and outgoing mail. I have it configured to ask before taking action. The only times I have had any indication of its presence were the couple of viruses that it caught--the last one was So Big, which came in on a trusted list but was easily deleted. That screech sound effect will certainly get your attention! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Friday, March 28, 2003, 12:39:12 AM, Kim wrote: K> Wow...I didn't realize that. I figured that my Personal license only K> worked with the Personal version and below. I didn't either until I tried the Pro version and realised that is just what happens ;-) Apparently the licence is what enables the various features. K> Thanks for the info! I appreciate your help. You're very welcome :-) K> BTW, do you use the Personal or Personal Pro version of Kaspersky? If K> it is Pro, do you find the extras in the Pro version worth the extra K> $50? I still use Personal version at the moment but will be upgrading to Pro on renewal - simply because we'll be changing our various individual A/V licences for a multi-user KAV Per Pro one to cover the network - will be a tad more than 99$ for us though!!! ;-) For an individual user I very much doubt that the upgrade is worth doing to be honest. It seems to be more aimed at networked PC's. I haven't found anything else in Pro that won't work in Personal except the network facilities. Others using the Pro may be able to add more info though. -- Cheers, Anne The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hi Anne, Thursday, March 27, 2003, 5:51:27 PM, you wrote: > Kim I don't know if you're aware but you can download an evaluation > copy of Kaspersky Personal Pro which includes The Bat! AV plugin and > use it with your existing KAV key. This will allow you to use KAV's AV > plugin with TB! (but not give you access to the other Pro features > such as network drive scanning etc.) Download from www.kaspersky.com Wow...I didn't realize that. I figured that my Personal license only worked with the Personal version and below. If I can use the Bat plug-in part of Kaspersky Personal Pro with my Personal key, even if the other additional features work, that's good enough for me...and a whole lot cheaper than spending the extra $50 on the Pro version. > TB! mails go into the temp directory from the mail server - that's > where KAV without the plugin holds them if there's a virus involved. > With the plugin you set KAV realtime scanner not to scan mail folders > - but you install the KAV AV plugin via TB!'s "virus protection" > option and this looks after your mail downloads. You can set KAV to > dump any virus mails into a "Quarantine" folder in the Kaspersky > program folder, to "Delete" them immediately, or to clean the infected > parts etc... > You can also use the plugin to scan mail folders separately on demand. > It's worth considering as it works extremely well. HTH :-) Thanks for the info! I appreciate your help. BTW, do you use the Personal or Personal Pro version of Kaspersky? If it is Pro, do you find the extras in the Pro version worth the extra $50? -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Thursday, March 27, 2003, 8:05:29 PM, Kim wrote: K> I use Kaspersky Personal as my anti-virus program, and it caught K> this worm, as I was pulling in my e-mail off the server. Kim I don't know if you're aware but you can download an evaluation copy of Kaspersky Personal Pro which includes The Bat! AV plugin and use it with your existing KAV key. This will allow you to use KAV's AV plugin with TB! (but not give you access to the other Pro features such as network drive scanning etc.) Download from www.kaspersky.com K> Also, by deleting the Bat temp file I'd mentioned above, how much K> e-mail can I expect to lose? Just the one e-mail, or all from that K> day? With Becky, I lost an entire day's e-mail when this problem K> occurred. Not good. :( TB! mails go into the temp directory from the mail server - that's where KAV without the plugin holds them if there's a virus involved. With the plugin you set KAV realtime scanner not to scan mail folders - but you install the KAV AV plugin via TB!'s "virus protection" option and this looks after your mail downloads. You can set KAV to dump any virus mails into a "Quarantine" folder in the Kaspersky program folder, to "Delete" them immediately, or to clean the infected parts etc... You can also use the plugin to scan mail folders separately on demand. It's worth considering as it works extremely well. HTH :-) -- Cheers, Anne The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hi Marck, Thanks for the info! I feel *much* better now, and understand the functionality of The Bat much better now too. :) -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hi David, Thursday, March 27, 2003, 3:44:32 PM, you wrote: > With TB! Your best bet is to use the Kaspersky plugin and let TB! > itself handle the infected mails instead of scanning durring the > download. I would, except that the plug-in isn't available with the $49.95 Personal version of Kaspersky, which is the one I have. It's only available with the $99.95 Personal Pro version. I've thought about upgrading, but the Personal version usually works well for me. Have those that have the Pro version found it's worth the extra $50? The added convenience *does* sound nice, and I'm up for renewal of my yearly Kaspersky license in a couple of weeks. :) -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
On Thursday, March 27, 2003, 21:33, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: K>> ... Kaspersky flagged the infected mail immediately...so quickly K>> in fact, that I later found the message was still on the server. K>> The only remnant on my system was in a temp file located in the K>> Local Settings\Temp folder, in a file called bat130.tmp > This is what usually happens when you don't use plug-in AV support. Not over here, my AV (Norton Corporate Edition 7.6) says it quarantines the temp file, but still the message gets imported into TB! as usual. My guess was that TB! writes the temp file just for security reasons but imports the message into the message base without touching the temp file (if nothing goes wrong along the way). My real problem started when my .tbb file got quarantined, therefore I excluded my mail folder from AV scanning and manually deleted the infected mail when I got an alert from the temp folder. So, the question must be, why is TB! able to import even virus infected messages here when it is not at Kim's? How does it work for other that is using NAV CE 7.6? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 15:05:29GMT -0500 (which was 3:05 PM where I live) Kim wrote and made these points on the subject of "Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP": K> With the Bat, things seemed to work a bit differently. When I went K> through the process of pulling the file off of the server, Kaspersky K> flagged the infected mail immediately...so quickly in fact, that I K> later found the message was still on the server. The only remnant on With TB! Your best bet is to use the Kaspersky plugin and let TB! itself handle the infected mails instead of scanning durring the download. - -- Best regards, David Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key at http://search.keyserver.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xCC7E7664 Facts just get in the way and impede progress. Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0x99B71F2ECC7E7664 Comment: Fingerprint: 20C3 F51F AFFC 90F2 A36E A348 99B7 1F2E CC7E 7664 iQA/AwUBPoNitJm3Hy7MfnZkEQI33ACg0OMBYy3sA/q6G2PpDwQFUE2rydIAn0Cw nphkr+whXGw//m6Vd3vu5b+/ =dIkH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kim, @27-Mar-2003, 15:05 -0500 (20:05 UK time) Kim [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: K> ... Kaspersky flagged the infected mail immediately...so quickly K> in fact, that I later found the message was still on the server. K> The only remnant on my system was in a temp file located in the K> Local Settings\Temp folder, in a file called bat130.tmp This is what usually happens when you don't use plug-in AV support. It can prove to be a problem in that the mail goes cyclic for those unfamiliar with using the Mail dispatcher (or Telnet or something) to remove the offending article from the server. K> I never got to actually *see* if the infected e-mail was ever K> downloaded to my Inbox in The Bat, but I suspect not You suspect correctly. K> ... Where are The Bat temp files usually housed on Windows XP K> machines? In the Documents & Settings folder you described. K> Is a Bat temp file only located there when The Bat is pulling K> e-mail off the server, and then the temp file gets deleted? Yes. K> Also, by deleting the Bat temp file I'd mentioned above, how much K> e-mail can I expect to lose? Just the one e-mail, or all from K> that day? Just one message. Each message gets its own temp file. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+g2AVOeQkq5KdzaARAqz9AKDZCy9s9IQjbAuv1SjDPbM/XoDnAQCePyEg PIRHz7i6XNecOmndXf/Tb34= =n4Gu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, March 27, 2003, Kim wrote... > Also, by deleting the Bat temp file I'd mentioned above, how much > e-mail can I expect to lose? Just the one e-mail, or all from that > day? With Becky, I lost an entire day's e-mail when this problem > occurred. Not good. :( Ouch... I'd be kicking a developer or two if that kind of thing happened to me. No... you don't have to worry. What is happening is TB grabs the mail into a temp file, each mail gets its own temp file. Then that temp file is imported into the mail base (foldername/messages.tbb). What you're seeing is your virus scanner checks the file as it is created, and sees the iframe flaw, and locks the file up so nobody can read it. When this happens, TB drops the message from download, and moves onto the next. Because it couldn't read the temp file, it doesn't attempt to delete it from the server, hence the reason you see it on the server, and you have a temp file on your system. Deleting that temp file won't cause you any harm once :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPoNgUSuD6BT4/R9zEQJa3ACgz8w+pL5Ptk734Vsdn7TicaFZNXgAn0C3 YXBbSXBaTTnUGWATMzabyzIA =LCkR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP
Hi All, Being a relatively new user of The Bat (I previously used Becky Mail), until today, I had not received a virus or worm in my e-mail. Today, one of the users on one of my mailing lists sent an e-mail that had the IFrame Exploit worm. I've seen this worm before, when I used Becky. I do know it is an older worm, and it takes advantage of a security hole in Internet Explorer 5.01, 5.5, and Outlook (and I'm guessing Outlook Express). I also know it does not affect Internet Explorer 6.0 or Windows XP (both of which I have). I use Kaspersky Personal as my anti-virus program, and it caught this worm, as I was pulling in my e-mail off the server. My experience in the past has been with Becky...and when I received such an e-mail, Kaspersky wouldn't let me *touch* the thing, even to delete it. The only way to get rid of it was to go into my Becky directory, find the offending temp and mailbox files, turn off my Kaspersky Monitor, and directly delete the thing holding down my SHIFT key, as to bypass the Recycle Bin. I then scanned everything on my system thoroughly, to make sure that all was well. With the Bat, things seemed to work a bit differently. When I went through the process of pulling the file off of the server, Kaspersky flagged the infected mail immediately...so quickly in fact, that I later found the message was still on the server. The only remnant on my system was in a temp file located in the Local Settings\Temp folder, in a file called bat130.tmp (Local Settings being a hidden folder nestled in the file of origination which was "Documents and Settings"). I originally thought the infected e-mail was from a friend of mine as I had just opened her e-mail (on a different e-mail account) at the same time the new headers were downloading from this account, and Kaspersky screeched at me. I always check the headers on the server before bringing anything in, just for this reason, but since all were from my mailing lists, I figured all were safe. Anyway, I found out after scanning for the worm that the file indeed came from an address originating from one of my subscribed mailing lists. I have gotten verification of this since, from another user on the same list that received the same infected e-mail on his e-mail server. To make a long story shorter, I never got to actually *see* if the infected e-mail was ever downloaded to my Inbox in The Bat, but I suspect not (and it's definitely not there now). Since I thought it was being brought in from my other e-mail account, I never looked. After Kaspersky gave me the name of the sender of the infected e-mail, and I was later able to identify the same e-mail on the server, it appears it made it only as far as The Bat temp file listed above. Where are The Bat temp files usually housed on Windows XP machines? When using The Bat following the deletion of the temp file I mentioned above, I noticed that a similar temp file was *not* created in that directory. Is a Bat temp file only located there when The Bat is pulling e-mail off the server, and then the temp file gets deleted? I guess what I'm wondering the locations where The Bat temp files are kept so that in the future, I can scan those areas if I suspect an infected e-mail. Also, by deleting the Bat temp file I'd mentioned above, how much e-mail can I expect to lose? Just the one e-mail, or all from that day? With Becky, I lost an entire day's e-mail when this problem occurred. Not good. :( Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
