Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-14 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello vitalie vrabie  everyone else,

on 14-Feb-2006 at 16:49 you (vitalie vrabie) wrote:

 then, why don't you people just leave the user 2xClick and fire up
 whichever browser there is installed?

The problem is, as mentioned a gazillion times, those messages that include
both remote and attached pictures.

You can view the message with the attached pictures in TB, or you can view
the message with the remote pictures in the browser. Either way, the
message will not be shown in all its HTML glory. :-)

IIRC it was said to be possible to export the message to a file ending in
.mht or something, and some browsers recognize this format and display
all the content correctly. But... that can't really be a solution.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-14 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Jeff Gaines  everyone else,

on 14-Feb-2006 at 00:22 you (Jeff Gaines) wrote:

 and a more complete file manager to Explore

 I've been looking for one for ages, PowerDesk is resource hungry and
 quirky. Any recommendations?

Total Commander from www.ghisler.com

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-14 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Dwight A Corrin  everyone else,

on 14-Feb-2006 at 01:43 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote:

 If you can read a pdf file in a thumbnail, you've got me beat.

I'm using Foxit Reader for PDF. Its small, free, and loads about 15 years
faster than the current Acrobat Reader 7.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-14 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Alexander,

on Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:17:41 +0100GMT (14.02.2006, 20:17 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

 and a more complete file manager to Explore

 I've been looking for one for ages, PowerDesk is resource hungry and
 quirky. Any recommendations?

ASK Total Commander from www.ghisler.com

If you hadn't recommended TC, I'd have. You were faster. :-)

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-14 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, 1:16:36 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 I'm using Foxit Reader for PDF.

Link? I didn't find anything like this at foxIT.com


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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-14 Thread Bob Morris
G'day Dwight,

Wednesday, February 15, 2006, 7:32:41 AM, you wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 14, 2006, 1:16:36 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 I'm using Foxit Reader for PDF.

 Link? I didn't find anything like this at foxIT.com



http://www.foxitsoftware.com/

I thoroughly recommend this as well.  Small, quick loading and so far
it has correctly displayed every PDF file I've used.  Works nicely
with Mozilla Firefox too.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stephane,

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:24:36 +0100 GMT (13/02/2006, 21:24 +0700 GMT),
Stephane Bouvard [ML] wrote:

SBM TB can display html, as today some people prefer to send html into
SBM emails, and if those emails include pictures, TB can display those
SBM pictures, but if those html emails contain some options spécific to a
SBM browser and not a mail client, like http request, TB will not act like a
SBM browser but allow you to open the mail in your choosed browser easily.

Have you received HTML mails with some pictures attached and others
not? Show me a way to display the mail in its completeness.

Also kindly note that HTML mails (especially newsletters) are a fact,
we cannot discuss them away. I would like my email client to display
them completely, if I so choose.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-13 Thread Stephane Bouvard [ML]
Hi,

,- - [ Le dimanche 29 janvier 2006 vers 14:54 Thomas Fernandez écrivait: ] - -
|
 TB! will not show those graphics to you.

C It is a security feature. 

 Beautiful! Thank you. :-)

 If I, as a responsible adult, want to download pictures into my
 received email, what would it hurt the other TB-users if I could?
 Nobody is forced to do that.


There's no problem to see those pictures : just open the html part of
the mail into your browser by double-clicking on the html icon displayed
by TB.  It's your choice, you are not forced to do, but you can.

For me it's one of the great feature of TB : TB is a smtp/pop3/imap
client, not an http client, i do not want to see my mail program doing
http request.  If i want to make http request, i use my browser, with
every http settings defined in my browser that i cannot set in TB.

TB can display html, as today some people prefer to send html into
emails, and if those emails include pictures, TB can display those
pictures, but if those html emails contain some options spécific to a
browser and not a mail client, like http request, TB will not act like a
browser but allow you to open the mail in your choosed browser easily.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Monday, February 13, 2006, 8:33:22 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 Also kindly note that HTML mails (especially newsletters) are a
 fact, we cannot discuss them away. I would like my email client to
 display them completely, if I so choose.

it's ironic that our new IT consultants have branded me anti-microsoft
because I prefer TB! to Outlook, and WordPerfect to Word, and a more
complete file manager to Explore, but then I got chewed out for having
Outlook set up with the reading pane open, because it would open an
HTML message before I knew who sent it.


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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Monday, February 13, 2006, 5:22:27 PM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

 and a more complete file manager to Explore

 I've been looking for one for ages, PowerDesk is resource hungry and
 quirky. Any recommendations?

No. They were complaining specifically about my running powerdesk. I
agree it is resource hungry and quirky. But when I asked them to show
me another file manager which had file viewers, they showed me the
thumbnails in explore. If you can read a pdf file in a thumbnail,
you've got me beat.

Quick View Plus was great with windows 95, and maybe 98, but the
company who owns those viewers apparently just licenses them to
others, including, I think, powerdesk.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Monday, February 13, 2006, 5:38:45 PM, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

 Try xplorer2. Dual pane and free in the basic version.

link?

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-02-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Monday, February 13, 2006, 7:42:44 PM, Bat Tester wrote:

 Try xplorer2. Dual pane and free in the basic version.

 link?

 http://zabkat.com/

thanks. am I mistaken or are the only files which one can view
graphics and html?  I want to view PDF, word, wordperfect, excel, etc.

moving to tbot, before it starts smelling fishy around here.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-30 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Elaine!

On Sunday, January 29, 2006, 9:11 PM, you wrote:

 It is difficult because people are afraid that
 if you and I can download pictures from the
 internet, their mother's PC is in danger. That's
 the only reason for the anti-lobby.

 Do mothers use this program?  I'm 70 and one of
 the few using it on some very large mailing lists.
 Neither young nor old seem to consider the
 program, many never heard of it, those who have,
 have no interest.  I thought all the senior
 mothers/grandmothers/great-grandmothers were using
 OE, Netscape and Thunderbird.

Excepting me and thee, Elaine? I'm 78 and therefore might qualify as
Big Sister to most 8th decade seniors--although there are a few
Brother Batties posting who were born in the 1920s even ahead of me.
;)

Nice to see you again here, brief and cogent, as always. :)

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-30 Thread Robert D.
Recently, ETM squawked :

 Neither young nor old seem to
 consider the program, many never heard of it, those who have, have
 no interest.

Ah ... they not forward thinking. They run with the flock yet know not
why

And, best of all, they do not know the beauty of Moldavia ...
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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Elaine,

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:11:42 -0500 GMT (30/01/2006, 10:11 +0700 GMT),
ETM wrote:

 It is difficult because people are afraid that if you and I can
 download pictures from the internet, their mother's PC is in
 danger. That's the only reason for the anti-lobby.

E Do mothers use this program?

Yes: Mine. :-)

E Neither young nor old seem to consider the program, many never
E heard of it, those who have, have no interest. I thought all the
E senior mothers/grandmothers/great-grandmothers were using OE,
E Netscape and Thunderbird.

g Well, Ritlabs are not going for the mass market. Whether there
market and customer base is big enough for them to survive and grow,
is for them to decide.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Dwight,

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:43:47 -0600 GMT (26/01/2006, 05:43 +0700 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

 A simple button load remote images now, its visibility
 configurable, with an extra, again configurable, warning requester
 may be enough for the daily work.

An option that would be set by default not to download pictures.

DAC Just double clicking and opening in your browser of choice is
DAC pretty straight forward, and there's no new code to screw up
DAC either.

Except, as already mentioned, if some images are sent with the
message.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Chris,

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:21:24 -0600 GMT (25/01/2006, 05:21 +0700 GMT),
Chris wrote:

 TB! will not show those graphics to you.

C It is a security feature. 

Beautiful! Thank you. :-)

Here is a new write-up:

Yes, it is possible to go phishing when the option to download content
from the web is enabled. However, in TB it will be set off by default.
And if you view it in your browser, I'm not sure.

If I, as a responsible adult, want to download pictures into my
received email, what would it hurt the other TB-users if I could?
Nobody is forced to do that.

And if I do compromise my system, let it be my problem. I will not
blame TB. Please allow me to decide for myself whether I want to see
an HTML mail in all its glory.

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RE: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thomas,

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 2:54:00 PM, you wrote:


 Yes, it is possible to go phishing when the option to download content
 from the web is enabled. However, in TB it will be set off by default.
 And if you view it in your browser, I'm not sure.

 If I, as a responsible adult, want to download pictures into my
 received email, what would it hurt the other TB-users if I could?
 Nobody is forced to do that.

 And if I do compromise my system, let it be my problem. I will not
 blame TB. Please allow me to decide for myself whether I want to see
 an HTML mail in all its glory.

*sigh* you are so right, and also very patient.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jurgen,

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:09:30 +0100 GMT (29/01/2006, 21:09 +0700 GMT),
Jurgen Haug wrote:


 If I, as a responsible adult, want to download pictures into my
 received email, what would it hurt the other TB-users if I could?
 Nobody is forced to do that.

JH *sigh* you are so right, and also very patient.

Steter Tropfen hoehlt den Stein. ;-)

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Thomas,

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 2:54:00 PM, you wrote:

TF If I, as a responsible adult, want to download pictures into my
TF received email, what would it hurt the other TB-users if I could?
TF Nobody is forced to do that.

TF And if I do compromise my system, let it be my problem. I will not
TF blame TB. Please allow me to decide for myself whether I want to see
TF an HTML mail in all its glory.

Aren't there any programmers that are able to provide us with a plug-in so
that we can get rid of this debate. Perhaps Antis won't object to that
and we finally can leave the click-click behind.

But perhaps I (not being a programmer) do not see why this would be
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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Mark,

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:23:19 +0100 GMT (29/01/2006, 23:23 +0700 GMT),
Mark Partous wrote:

MP Aren't there any programmers that are able to provide us with a plug-in so
MP that we can get rid of this debate. Perhaps Antis won't object to that
MP and we finally can leave the click-click behind.

That would be a good idea.

MP But perhaps I (not being a programmer) do not see why this would be
MP impossible/too difficult.

It is difficult because people are afraid that if you and I can
download pictures from the internet, their mother's PC is in danger.
That's the only reason for the anti-lobby.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-29 Thread ETM
 It is difficult because people are afraid that
 if you and I can download pictures from the
 internet, their mother's PC is in danger. That's
 the only reason for the anti-lobby.

Do mothers use this program?  I'm 70 and one of
the few using it on some very large mailing lists.
Neither young nor old seem to consider the
program, many never heard of it, those who have,
have no interest.  I thought all the senior
mothers/grandmothers/great-grandmothers were using
OE, Netscape and Thunderbird.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-26 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Tom,

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:21:04 +1100GMT (26-1-2006, 11:21 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

TL Does it matter from a security point of view how I configure TB with
TL respect to plain text / html?   To be precise - is it safer to set it
TL to plain text only or does it not matter due to the design of TB?

It doesn't matter.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-26 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Dwight A Corrin  everyone else,

on 25-Jan-2006 at 23:43 you (Dwight A Corrin) wrote:

 A simple button load remote images now, its visibility configurable,
 with an extra, again configurable, warning requester may be enough for
 the daily work.

 Just double clicking and opening in your browser of choice is pretty
 straight forward, and there's no new code to screw up either.

Does not compute when you have both attached and remote images in a
message...

(the standard objection in discussing that topic)

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-25 Thread Barry
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:21:24 -0600, Chris wrote:

 HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice. For example, I could configure The
 Bat! to download images from Amazon's server, my bank's server, and my
 own server, but no others.
 
 See this feature request:
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780

I noticed when trying out TBird that it has a Show Images button. Seems
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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-25 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Chris  everyone else,

on 24-Jan-2006 at 23:21 you (Chris) wrote:

 HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice.

Actually, I don't think so. The current flood of phishing mails all come
from a valid real bank account email address like @postbank.de or
something. A whitelist will automate the security hole.

E-Mail addresses can be faked way to easily, a whitelist is not a good
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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-25 Thread Chris

Alexander S. Kunz @ 1/25/2006 5:41:54 AM
Displaying HTML mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice.

 Actually, I don't think so. The current flood of phishing mails all
 come from a valid real bank account email address like
 @postbank.de or something. A whitelist will automate the security
 hole.

 E-Mail addresses can be faked way to easily, a whitelist is not a
 good solution for this problem.

Perhaps I did not express myself clearly. I whitelist of servers from
which it is safe to download certain kinds of content would be nice
(not a whitelist of senders). Although, it one whitelisted PayPal,
phishing schemes that refer to the PayPal site directly would look
more legitimate. And there is always DNS poisoning...

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-25 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Chris  everyone else,

on 25-Jan-2006 at 22:41 you (Chris) wrote:

 Perhaps I did not express myself clearly. I whitelist of servers from
 which it is safe to download certain kinds of content would be nice (not
 a whitelist of senders). Although, it one whitelisted PayPal, phishing
 schemes that refer to the PayPal site directly would look more
 legitimate. And there is always DNS poisoning...

OK, I see. However, I think it may be more of a pro task to actually
whitelist the servers - I'm thinking of those legitimate newsletters that
are spread through a specialised-in-newsletters provider, etc.

A simple button load remote images now, its visibility configurable, with
an extra, again configurable, warning requester may be enough for the daily
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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-25 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, 4:01:35 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 A simple button load remote images now, its visibility
 configurable, with an extra, again configurable, warning requester
 may be enough for the daily work.

Just double clicking and opening in your browser of choice is pretty
straight forward, and there's no new code to screw up either.

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RE: Displaying HTML

2006-01-24 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Jack,

Tuesday, January 24, 2006, 12:53:06 PM, you wrote:


 Hello one and all,

 Is there a way to get TB! to display the graphics in an HTML email
 without having to launch a browser?

 Empty boxes with little red X's in them don't convey a lot of
 information.

welcome to the club of those poor people that try to use emails as they are 
used today, not as someone thought them up 10 years ago...

TB! will not show those graphics to you.


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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:53:06 -0600GMT (24-1-2006, 12:53 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

JSL Is there a way to get TB! to display the graphics in an HTML email
JSL without having to launch a browser?

TB will show the messages as long as they're sent along as attachment.
However, TB won't display them when only a link to the picture
somewhere on the internet is included.
TB is simply not suited as a browser, can't be helped.

So you'll have to make do with those red X's.

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Re: Displaying HTML

2006-01-24 Thread Chris

Jurgen Haug @ 1/24/2006 10:23:53 AM
Displaying HTML mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 TB! will not show those graphics to you.

It is a security feature. In malicious e-mail messages, the images
could be coded like this

img src=http://example.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] /

Then, simply by opening the message, the send would know that
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is a valid e-mail address.

HOWEVER, a whitelist would be nice. For example, I could configure The
Bat! to download images from Amazon's server, my bank's server, and my
own server, but no others.

See this feature request:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1780

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