Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Marck! On Saturday, February 9, 2002 at 3:05:08 AM you wrote: > No there wasn't. It was as simple as 'o' and TAB (which, on the second > line, lines up with the indent on the first, etc.). Smart Tabs enabled.* *We will run into trouble shortly: Smart Tab, SmartBat, SmartPad - anythyng as smart as TB! should be banned from the public, especially us not-so-smart computer users. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a "broker"? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On 08 February 2002 at 13:46:48 -0500 (which was 18:46 where I live) Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> reply text here > That is really cool, and I like it much better than how I was doing it > where I would simply indent my response under the blocks of reply > text. Your way looks much more clear. Nah - it was as Pit said - just that your original text was indented when I quoted it. > ... My question I guess is being just a text editor there is no > special formatting for creating bulleted lists is there? No there wasn't. It was as simple as 'o' and TAB (which, on the second line, lines up with the indent on the first, etc.). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - a spare brain - from: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8ZIPWOeQkq5KdzaARAsWEAKCXqFWvoz4VQDkfLxJm9gkYB42xQgCeLEgz 69j+7uYL19PiqsdkE1AeaW4= =3MAA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On 08 February 2002 at 11:31:39 -0500 (which was 16:31 where I live) Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Secnario II - Auto-Format On. > Well now when I go back and add text things wrap fine, so > everything is great until I hit return/enter and it doesn't > bring me to a new line. You need two new lines. Since this is plain text, the only way to delimit two distinct paragraphs is by have a clear, blank line between them. > The bottom line is why is there a not an option so that I can > type text have it wrap, be able to insert text and not have to > use Alt-L to reformat, and be able to hit enter to generate a > new line? Because a single new line doesn't denote a new pargraph. Sometimes I want to type a bullet list so I have to turn Auto-Format off. There's a control key combo for that - it's simple enough to remember - Ctrl-Shift-F. o Typing paragraph data?Turn it on. o Typing lists? Turn it off. o Amending a paragraph? Turn it on. > If I simply have The Bat! options configured wrong someone please > let me know. Thanks Lots. It's not that you have it configured wrong - just that you are expecting too much of a plain text format. Plain text only has hard returns, no soft returns. Auto format is about moving the hard returns around so that the text better fits the given margins. Where should it stop moving hard returns? When it gets to a paragraph break. What does one of those look like? A completely blank line. It is logical, but not intuitive thanks to expectations brought about by editors which handle soft returns. It has been suggested in the past that the TB programmers implement some system of soft returns. I've always felt that to be dangerous. At least with the present system, what we type is what will be sent. No behind-the-scenes formatting for us TB users - oh no! ;-). FWIW, the TB editor *does* follow a standard. It's a very old one. It's based on the old MS-DOS SideKick editor, which itself drew from the old WordStar standard. These standards are still in use in most Borland IDE editors (with tweaks and additions). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - let the thoughts flow http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8ZAhEOeQkq5KdzaARAgNXAKClg/mDCklvH0XscYQ05bEtEbEoagCfS8wR 9kVvCgbS2JWOi7qgXCeP0wk= =FZnJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Jonathan! On Friday, February 8, 2002 at 5:00:16 PM you wrote: > Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the > same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ > (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific > configuration. 1. I am with you on the key mapping ... but, what the h*** does it have to do with the editor? 2. As for the editors you mention, they are for other purposes than TB!'s editor. I do really like Word - and there is no arguing that it is an editor - but don't want TB!'s editor to behave like it (editorwise). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Gerard! On Friday, February 8, 2002 at 6:50:04 PM you wrote: Mary>> 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive Mary>> text editor? > You better stand back and take cover :( Another of the good tips to follow: Look for the word "editor" in the archives: 1. It will answer the question in question. 2. You don't have to stand back ... 3. ... just take shelter, as you will get loads and loads of messages about the editor. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Erwarte von anderen nur, was Du selbst bereit bist zu geben. (Romy Walda) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
ON Friday, February 08, 2002, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote: Mary> 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive Mary> text editor? You better stand back and take cover :( Mary> Otherwise, I really like it :-) To late now ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here--> If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. -- Maslow Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On 08 February 2002 at 4:00 pm Jonathan wrote: > Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the > same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ > (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific > configuration. > TB is actually pretty good, but it would be nice to be able to remap the > keyboard - and not just for the editor - so that one doesn't have to remember > multiple ways to do the same thing (e.g., reformat paragraph, F5 for search, > etc.) I think the problem is that TB!'s editor is deliberately _not_ like other editors in many ways. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, but the ubiquity of Microsoft applications (and copies of the way they do things) exerts enormous hidden pressure to always do things the same way. Something else useful for new users (and old users :) would be a button in Options | Editor Preferences to reset them to the defaults. It is _very easy_ to go away from the defaults and get completely confused ... (This is wish no.492 for those who want to look in the bugtracker). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On Friday, February 08, 2002, at 16:09:37, Mary wrote about: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment) >> I have a shortcut to fentun in a desktop folder. The shortcut >> specifies "Start in" the same folder. I save my attachment to that >> folder, open the folder, drag the file onto fentun, extract the files >> and they are saved back into the same folder again, ready to use. > Wow, that's really, really convenient! Thank you *very much* for that Howto. Where do you want to go today :-> -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, On 08 February 2002 at 15:48:07 +0100 (which was 14:48 where I live) Mary Cassidy wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you > write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the > wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess > about with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting > options. The default formatting option is not to use Auto-format. The editor preferences are few and reasonably simple. Auto-format is easily turned on and then even more easily controlled with the Ctrl-Shift-F keystroke. This is the option whereby the "wrapping automatically puts itself right". > I've given up using autoformat (or was it "justify on wrap"?), because > it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter > twice at the end of each paragraph. Not really - it's just something to get used to. It greatly improves plain-text legibility and is a habit worth cultivating. > It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in > programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. The default is to autowrap, but not to auto re-wrap. As is often said here, the editor takes some getting used to but the majority find it a task worth undertaking. There's a noisy minority that will leap in and say "It's horrible, an abomination, get rid of it, I hate it", but the consensus remains - try to get used to it. It's a great little editor once you get to know it, capable of many things that lesser editors just can't handle, and *so* well suited for the task at hand. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - think ... freely- http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Y/RjOeQkq5KdzaARApeqAKCRyDZiB3NgDQqjQ4vgV/Yk+byq/wCfeNFl 0kXM/1ux+Gdwtvc1I5jR2Lg= =z8T1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 08 February 2002 at 10:48:25 -0500 (which was 15:48 where I live) David Denton wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >I am finding the TB! editor is growing on me to the point that, >after a month or so of using it, I wish I could configure my other >text editors and word processors so they worked in the same manner. Exactly! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - let the thoughts flow http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Y/MQOeQkq5KdzaARAkN/AJsGYnS6HdZNC8fgj4NCN2piPSQ6NwCfS6I+ 2UHi394TqKVvnIVY5eioyIQ= =2kRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Mary, On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:09:37 +0100GMT (8-2-2002, 15:09 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MC> 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like MC> normal mailreaders do? There is no 'like normal mailreaders do'. Recently somebody posted an attachment with outlook 2000 to a restricted list I'm subscribed to. Two members using Outlook Express didn't even see the attachment. One member, using Eudora, saw the attachment, but had troubles accessing it. TB saw the attachment, could save it, could access it. Can't say that I've ever had any problems with TB handling attachments. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Jernej Simončič wrote: > MC> 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like > MC> normal mailreaders do? > It already does that - normal mail readers don't support MS's > proprietary format. I don't have wide experience of other mailreaders, just Netscape and Eudora, and I've never had these strange .att and .msg attachments before. I can open the .msg ones, but not the .att's, as other people have said. Today I received a message (not html) with a message.msg attached. When I opened it by double-clicking, I could read the message OK, and on another tab there was a tiny jpg image. When I maximised the window the image was enlarged, but when I opened the message a second time it didn't enlarge, and I had to click back and forth between the two tabs before it would enlarge. > MC> 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive > MC> text editor? > Outlook has a primitive editor. The Bat's editor is perfect for e-mail > (do a search in the archives for the word "editor"). I've never used Outlook, and I'm getting used to TB's editor, but I still find it primitive. I didn't mean that I want an html editor; I prefer text because of the virus risk. What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess about with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting options. I've given up using autoformat (or was it "justify on wrap"?), because it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter twice at the end of each paragraph. It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. -- Mary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: > Okay. It is a drop target. You have to save your attachment and drop > it onto a shortcut to the fentun program. Then a window opens showing > you the names of any attachments within the message.att file and you > get the opportunity to extract them. > I have a shortcut to fentun in a desktop folder. The shortcut > specifies "Start in" the same folder. I save my attachment to that > folder, open the folder, drag the file onto fentun, extract the files > and they are saved back into the same folder again, ready to use. Wow, that's really, really convenient! Wish list - 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like normal mailreaders do? 2. Please can somebody rewrite the help file so that it's actually helpful? 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive text editor? Otherwise, I really like it :-) -- Mary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
