Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 at 23:05:44[GMT +0700](which was 17:05 where I live) you wrote: TF If you are talking about addressbook groups, I suspect you may have TF your own address in that group too. So when you send a message to the TF whole group, you'll get it as an incoming mail, of course: you are one TF of the recipients. 'fraid not, definitely no address of mine anywhere in the address book. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at11:31:35[GMT +0700](which was 05:31 where I live) you wrote: RW Even more baffled. So, if I send a mail to someone who is not in my RW address book or on a mailing list, I have to CC it to myself to get a RW copy? TF It has nothing to do with your addressbook. If you send a message to TF someone, anyone, you do *not* get a copy back (unless you CC to TF yourself). The only copy you have on your computer is the one in your TF Sent folder, which you can filter into another folder. (BTW Over here, TF if I have a folder for a certain friend, I will filter the sent TF messages into the same folder as the incoming messages. No need to go TF via the Inbox again.) TF Mailing lists are a special case. Because they send you any message TF that the list server receives. This includes your own message, and TF that is the only reason you get it back as an incoming message. Ah, all my questions being gradually answered apart from why messages originally went to the inbox without a CC and now don't but I will amend my rules so that outgoing messages go straight to the relevant folders. Thank you. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 8:22:54 AM, you wrote: MO On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 08:25, Richard Wakeford wrote: Until yesterday all my sent mail came back to the Inbox without a CC or rule. MO Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you MO send? Ask them! IIRC, Richard, that's what CIX/Ameol does. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Best regards, myobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Gerard, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at09:42:44[GMT +0200](which was 08:42 where I live) you wrote: RW Then some messages started not showing up in the Inbox or the other RW reader and I'm now told, obviously correctly, that I have to put a RW rule in the Outbox redirecting my mail to the Inbox so that it can RW be redircted to the relevant folder. Is that correct? G Sort of but it is not the most logical route. G After you press the sent button a copy of the msg will be placed in the G Sent folder UNLESS you have an Outgoing Mail filter that moves this G msg some were else. Remember you can also COPY the msg leaving a copy in G the sent folder and one in the new location. Ahh! G I would recommend using the Outgoing Mail filter to place the msg G directly into the appropriate folder. that's the way I've already planned to do it. G / begin smart tip alert G When I am working with filters I usually also set a colour in the same G filter together with the action I am trying to create. This makes it G easy to check wether a certain filter was triggered and used ;-) G / end smart tip alert Another good tip, thanks. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at11:43:36[GMT +0700](which was 05:43 where I live) you wrote: TF I filter mailing lists only at incoming time. Outgoing filters are TF important for normal mail, where your sent message doesn't come back TF to you. Oh, I thought *all* mail comes back to me, at least mine does (I think). Do you mean by normal mail that is not in the address book? -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at22:40:47[GMT +0700](which was 16:40 where I live) you wrote: TF No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a recipient, not to a list. For TF example if I send a message directly to your address. It will not come TF back to me, unless I include my own address as another recipient. Even more baffled. So, if I send a mail to someone who is not in my address book or on a mailing list, I have to CC it to myself to get a copy? Sorry to be so thick. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Marck, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at02:37:59[GMT +0100](which was 02:37 where I live) you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox RW anyway so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically RW get threaded? MDP If that's what you really want, the messages you have sent moved to MDP your inbox for threading (although I wouldn't do that myself - I MDP have 200+ folders neatly laid out and in each I thread the received MDP messages) all you have to do is make a single Outgoing mail filter MDP that move any message with the sender as (you) to the Inbox. When I started using TB all of my mail, whether sent (with no CC to me or anything like that), or received, duly arrived in the inbox where I put all my rules. At the moment I only have 15 mailboxes. The messages I sent also arrived at my other mail reader (still no CC from me). Then some messages started not showing up in the Inbox or the other reader and I'm now told, obviously correctly, that I have to put a rule in the Outbox redirecting my mail to the Inbox so that it can be redircted to the relevant folder. Is that correct? I think I'm slowly getting there :-) -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Mark, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at12:12:36[GMT -0700](which was 20:12 where I live) you wrote: MW I think one of the main things that people trip over is that the MW strings in the Filtering strings box are treated as AND clauses MW rather than OR clauses. In other words, if you have more than one line MW in the Filtering strings box, then *both* of those cases have to be MW true in order for the filter to trigger. If you want OR clauses MW (trigger the filter if A is the recipient OR if B is the sender OR if MW the phrase you have won a prize is present anywhere, then you need MW to enter all except the first one using the Alternatives tab. Now that is very helpful and has solved a great many of my problems at one stroke. -- Many thanks, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Gerard, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at19:14:54[GMT +0200](which was 18:14 where I live) you wrote: G - You need to determine a UNIQUE filtering characteristic that does not G change over time. G The simplest being the email address a person. I thought I had but I've been told one answer, the first filter works on and AND basis and not OR. G For a mailing list this could be part of the mailing address like we do G for this mail list. It is recommended you filter for G [EMAIL PROTECTED] presence in the kludges. Hm, I don't think Kludges (at least I know what they are now) will be any use as my mailing list is just to an address book group. As my name is not in the address book I presume I cannot have Sender and Recipient in the advanced settings but must set up two rules, one with Sender and the other with Recipient? G Hope this helps ;-) Getting there thanks :-) -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at01:35:27[GMT +0700](which was 19:35 where I live) you wrote: TF Check whether this is always true. Is sender the group? I believe in TF this group, it isn't. Now you've got me thinking. As my name is not in the group or the address book I assumed sender was when members of the group mailed me and recipient was when a message went from me to them? Am I wrong. Again the rule works most of the time, just three addresses in the group won't transfer across and no other rules are active on those addresses. TF Your replies to the list will come in through the list anyway, and TF will be caught by the filter on the list. Ok so, unless there are are reasons for complicated rules, I can keep all my rules directed at the inbox? RW I have another rule for one person with the sender's address as RW recipient and sender and, again, the latest mail from this person RW stays obstinately in the inbox, everything beforehand is filtered RW correctly. TF If everything worked fine and suddenly doesn't, I suspect there is an TF typing mistake involved. No, it was the AND rule in the first filter string. I've now made an alternative and it's OK. TF Once you have understood the logic behind the filters, you will decide TF this by yourself. One more tip: The filters are applied from top to TF bottom. So if two filters apply for a message, the higher one is TF applied first. If that is a MOVE filter, and the other one colours the TF message, it won't be coloured. Thanks for those tips, I'll bear them in mind. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated
Hello Leif, On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 at20:00:27[GMT -0600](which was 03:00 where I live) you wrote: LG Just wanted to check. Have you read: LG http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml Yes I have but it's all far too complicated and for me and leaves me half way down page one! -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
