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Hi Jonathan Monday, October 6, 2003, 1:25:12 AM, you wrote: V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv footer V then, instead of relying on users? JA Although I say this might be one good idea, it doesn't get rid of the JA fact that some people have huge signatures and the likes. I didn't mean it for that purpose. I meant it only for removing the footer tbudl puts at the bottom of each message. For individual signatures of course cutmarks would be required, but this would have helped people who don't have a signature yet get flamed for something that tbudl adds on. However, Deborah and Thomas have already quoted Marck's explanation of why this won't work - TB only recognizes the last cutmark so earlier ones will be ignored. The list footer would disappear but not the posters' signatures. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Thomas Monday, October 6, 2003, 2:06:31 AM, you wrote: TF It doesn't seem to have made it into the archives yet. Marck just says TF that putting a cutmark into the list footer wouldn't work for TB, was TF tested,etc. Thanks..Marck replied too. TF That's an old song; Marck is referring to an endless repetition. Oh well.. :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Marck Monday, October 6, 2003, 5:29:11 AM, you wrote: MDP It doesn't work properly in TB by default. It only cuts the MDP last signature it finds. Also, only the final cut mark is also MDP seen as the real signature delimiter by the RTV, defeating TB's MDP wonderful signature display format features. Thanks. Deborah already helped me out with this. I see the problem. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Marck Saturday, October 4, 2003, 5:29:59 PM, you wrote: V Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv V footer then, instead of relying on users? MDP Please see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have that message stored on my machine. Any chance you could paste the text or tell me what to search for so I know what you were trying to say? MDP (#There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza#) ummm..huh? D ... it is to blame for not having the delimiter as part of it. MDP Nope. I have to say that it's all down to you :-(. Sorry about that. I guess I'll have to read the message to see what you mean by this. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Deborah Saturday, October 4, 2003, 5:24:51 PM, you wrote: DW Marck has already explained why this does not work, earlier in this thread. I didn't see that. DW Only text which falls below the last cut-mark inserted will be stripped, DW which means that if you have a cutmark, followed by a signature, followed by DW a listserv footer which also contains a cut-mark, the signature inserted by DW the sender will not be stripped. Ah. Interesting..I didn't know that. I agree then, people should use a cut-mark. DW I really have trouble understanding why this is such an issue. Not to me it isn't..I already use one as you'll see. I thought including it in the listserv footer might help matters, but apparently it won't. DW It's so simple to insert a cutmark, it can even be automated using DW templates. I really don't understand why people are objecting to being asked DW to use a cutmark. Some people don't feel that simply a name is a signature. And that asking them to change just so that others can avoid having to delete that one word while replying is asking too much. That's open to debate, but personally, if you consider that your name is already in the sender field, including it in the message body above the cutmark doesn't really add anything to your message. Therefore it could be considered a signature even if it isn't included along with anything else, and should be below the cutmark. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Allie, Saturday, October 4, 2003, 2:42:43 AM, you wrote: AM I'd add my 0.2c worth 0.2c? How does one pay that? :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.00.6 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Thomas Saturday, October 4, 2003, 12:25:04 AM, you wrote: TF So users of screen readers should be excepted from reading the rules? Nobody said they should be excepted. I think the opinion was that they should be 'excused' for not having read them. I agree with this. It's only being understanding. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Marck Friday, October 3, 2003, 7:33:19 AM, you wrote: MDP No. If the list server adds the footer because it contains important MDP information. We want the footer inserted, but not quoted in replies. Perhaps you could include the cut mark as part of the listserv footer then, instead of relying on users? I've had one of the cut-mark nazis (not a mod) jump on me for not including a delimiter once before, when the truth was that I didn't so much as sign my name to the message. If the list server added something after my reply, then it is to blame for not having the delimiter as part of it. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Andrew Saturday, October 4, 2003, 3:17:35 PM, you wrote: AH What I actually meant in this message was that if I don't have time AH to read the rules in the welcome message because sometimes it can AH take longer to read it with a screen reader, and that I have to stay AH concentrated to the voice for that time, I won't post until I get a AH flavour of how the list operates. I didn't mean it as an excuse for AH not reading the rules if I am told off by a moderator later on. I know..I did read your original post. What I mean is that of all the people who say they didn't read the rules, your excuse is probably one of the most valid ones. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Friday, October 3, 2003, 2:26:12 AM, you wrote: Leif, the man is hungry. He knows how to catch a fish, but all you give him is a U. Gimme an F, gimme an I, gimme an S, gimme an H! But shouldn;t you give him a G, an H, an O, a T, and an I -- with the gh from laugh, the o from women and the ti from nation? -- Gordon Woolf The Worsley Press Hastings, Victoria, Australia www.worsleypress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Book: Success in Store - How to Start or Buy a Retail Business, Enjoy Running It and Make Money Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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At 2:40 PM on 10/3/2003, Gerrit Kiers typed ... G I would have skipped it the moment I heard 'Terms and conditions ...' Why is that? Without rules, there is chaos. There's already enough chaos in the world. The rules are easy enough to read and they make the list work better. Here's a justification that I sometimes cites for rules on e-mail based discussion lists: Author Howard Rheingold, who wrote _The Virtual Community_, compares on-line discussions to parties. If you rent a room, put some beer in it, and put a sign out that says 'free beer and naked girls,' you are going to get one kind of party. If you invite a few civilized, interesting people, make sure you introduce them, welcome newcomers, throw out abusive drunks and random vandals, you'll get a different kind of party. If we ALL play by the same rules, we get along better. If ANYONE is allowed to consistently ignore the rules, it sends the message to everyone else that the rules don't matter. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 10/3/2003 at 2:52 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. Location: 40.1054688°N 83.0212173°W (approximately) Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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10/3/2003, 5:13 PM: Leif said in Suggestion for better message list view reading LG grin Yeah, I'll help, but let's give it a day or so to see what LG other people think. If it's just you and me who think it might be a LG worthwhile idea, then it wouldn't be worth submitting. Well, I'm all for it. TBUDL is a big part of why I registered TB, back in '98 or '99 and defintely a big part of my staying along with the software this long. Few users will realize the power of TB! on their own -- in part because people don't /expect/ so much from a piece of software and therefor aren't going to look closely enough to notice -- and, of course, partially because the software is unarguably poorly documented as far as install-bundle documents go. I, typically, go digging around to find what I can about software so I was delighted to stumble upon the list -- but many certainly won't. Which runs potential of missing a lot of great features of TB, which may make or break potential new registered users. Not to mention missing out on what really can be considered one of the best software support sources around. It may not be corporate support, but what software has better support than the enthusiastic TB! users? -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.22 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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10/2/2003, 8:12 AM: Pranav said in Suggestion for better message list view reading PL At this point, I am still evaluating TheBat. My primary email PL client is still Eudora. It's a great program, once you get a handle on it -- quick powerful. Hope you find yourself quite at home using it . . . PL What do you mean by a Cut line? Proper etiquette on this list is to have a cut line or signature delimiter. Your precede your signature with -- ( dot dot dash ). Most people on this list are, naturally, using The Bat!, and TB automatically truncates all text from the delimiter on down. -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.22 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Dennis, Thursday, October 2, 2003, 7:52:36 AM, you wrote: DWG What is JFW? Why use Eudora on this list? Why no cut line? jfw stands for jaws for windows from www.freedomscientific.com it's a software program that will allow blind and visually impared people to use the computer. it makes the computer talk. sometimes the screen readers do not interact good with programs. this is why i hope ritlabs will include some accessibility feachers. the bat is a very nice and powerfull program, but it's not always speech friendly. Chris -- Best regards, Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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10/2/2003, 10:20 AM: Leif said in Suggestion for better message list view reading LG Hello Allen, LG Thursday, October 2, 2003, 6:54:44 AM, you wrote: A Proper etiquette on this list is to have a cut line or signature A delimiter. Your precede your signature with -- ( dot dot dash ). A Most people on this list are, naturally, using The Bat!, and TB A automatically truncates all text from the delimiter on down. LG Rather dash dash space I think I deserve a fish. -- | Peace, Be well | Allen | http://jarday.com | http://theprawn.com | | Running The_Bat! version 2.00.22 | with Anti-Spam Plugin BayesIt! 0.4fm | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 -- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Allen, snip Proper etiquette on this list is to have a cut line or signature delimiter. Your precede your signature with -- ( dot dot dash ). Most people on this list are, naturally, using The Bat!, and TB automatically truncates all text from the delimiter on down. Thanks for the explanation. I don't have a message signature so I don't think that I need a cut line. Pranav Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
