Re[3]: OT: Computer Philosophy (was: Re[2]: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?)
Hi, Exactly. It's windows. It's therefore not the users fault when that frustrating crash occurs. :) They chose to use it, didn't they? I honestly don't know very many people who have a choice of what OS they use in their jobs. OK, so 99.9% of the people don't have a choice. And yes it does become a problem FOR them. But I think the point was that it isn't the fault of the "end user" that experiences the crash in many to most of the situations. Thanks, Kevin Using The Bat! 1.36 Under Windows NT4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: OT: Computer Philosophy (was: Re[2]: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?)
Wednesday, November 03, 1999 Hello Kevin, Tuesday, Tuesday, November 02, 1999, you wrote: Kevin Hi, Sunday, October 31, 1999, 10:09:38 AM, Paula wrote: a computer with a problem, which wants to waste my time trying to interpret its pouting silence or irritatingly cryptic outbursts. Rather like men. Rather like women, actually. Most of the men I know will state flat out what the problem is. Women, on the other hand, are the ones who go silent, pout and pull out that lovely line, "You know what's wrong!" Sure, uh-huh. Kevin In *my* experience, A larger percentage of women aren't as savvy with Kevin operating systems and their problems but tend to know the applications Kevin pretty well. They listen to what you say and appreciate your help. A larger Kevin percentage of men have some idea what they are doing with the OS, but they Kevin won't listen as closely and they try to act like they know more than they Kevin do. Kevin The real headache for tech support seems to be those guys that think they Kevin are guru's and know more about network, LAN, and mainframe support than the Kevin experts, when their only real experience is on their own PC's. They get Kevin torqued at things that don't happen the way they think they should (I'm not Kevin talking about real problems) and constantly complain and try to TELL you Kevin how things should be done. Kevin The clueless people actually are *usually* no big problem to help because Kevin they typically have easy problems to fix. It's just that they do tend to Kevin call you more often. But they do tend make for some funny stories to tell Kevin among the other techs and keep life interesting. :-) Kevin Thanks, Kevin Kevin Boylan Kevin Kevin Using The Bat! 1.36 Kevin Under Windows NT4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 3 I kind of agree with this and you ccan add that the guys who think they know in general try to fix it themselves making the problem worse then it was before they did that and then deny they did anything at all... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.36 mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTE: 1 MAILRUN PER DAY ONLY -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: OT: Computer Philosophy (was: Re[2]: THE BAT! Will it be a newsreader option ?)
Hallo Marck, On Saturday, October 30, 1999, 7:22:24 PM (GMT+0800), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Well, the OS is software in my vocabulary, so you are actually saying you agree with me? :- SL No, OS does not equal software. The same software on 6 different SL OSs could yield 6 different levels of performance based on the OS. SL Software runs on an OS. MDP Hmm. By strict definition, of course the OS is software - MDP I'm just engaging in some terminological pedantry. Ignore me. You know MDP it makes sense. ;-) I think Steve and I were talking about different things here, as the OS alone does not do much; you need applications. ;-) I agree with you here. But that does not prevent me from being frustrated at times. Even in Windows, a wrong click and I lost my card game. SL It worked as expected. For me I would be frustrated at *me*. MDP Very true! Computers are not the source of frustration. It is an MDP individual's own ineptitude that provides it. You are both right, but still I am human and I get frustrated when the programme does something else than I want it to do. See my other mail. SL Now, would I want the computer to somehow have programming to try SL to second guess me in this regard? No. Never, ever, ever, EVER, SL would I want that. Sure, I lost an hour of headbanging but that MDP I couldn't agree more. Actually, I could. Okay. I agree more. I agree with you guys here, absolutely. Still, the situation would have been called "frustrating" for me. It was such a simple thing, hey we all know this: the moment I read that the thing didn't print, I thought of course, take the redirect out. It's easy for an oputsider to see; pbasically it is the same thing as the "missing semicolon" example I brought up earlier in this threat. I guess we only have different definition of "frustrating". ;-) That *would* be unreasonable, but people don't expect that. People don't expect that any new member of mankind can go to toilet without training. SL Incorrect, they do expect to use a computer with no training at SL all. Just look at the number of computer stores that boast that SL you can take their computer home, plug it in and turn it on. SL Viola', it works! MDP Completely and utterly true. It *is* a just small percentage of the MDP millions of computer owners and users that have actually put any MDP effort or time into training, let alone bothered to RTFM! I disagree with you very much. You live in the computer world, both of you, and don't see what is going on "out here". In our office, we have two kinds of regular training for the staff: 1.) Sales Training, 2.) Computer Training (which is centered around MS Office urrg). No secretary will be employed unless she has "sufficient" computer knowledge, and computer schools open up like crazy. And on it goes. SL Computers are *NOT* complicated. Women, now that is a complicated SL piece of equipment! MDP ROFLOL sigh speechless g -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.36 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM
