Re: Reply to problem
Hi On Saturday 14 October 2006 at 1:59:22 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Arjan de Groot wrote: It's obvious you don't know the difference between stupidity and common sense. One obvious difference is that stupidity appears to be by far the more common. Arjan Just curious but what is the rationale behind putting your name above your cut mark? -- Best regards, MFPA Is it possible to be a closet claustrophobic? Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 14-Okt-2006 at 00:01 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. Well, I know of other email clients that use the same reply numbering. Limiting whats good and bad, or stupid, to your own limited knowledge of things, and judging the usability of it by that and your own limited imagination, is maybe the same. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and those who can't. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:05:23 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. Well, I know of other email clients that use the same reply numbering. Yes, I'm sure you do. Limiting whats good and bad, Nice discussion technique! There's an appropriate English word for it and it's called innuendo or stupid, to your own limited knowledge of things, and judging the usability of it by that and your own limited imagination, is maybe the same. It's obvious you don't know the difference between stupidity and common sense. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Ben, Friday, October 13, 2006, 12:23:08 AM, you wrote: Thursday, October 12, 2006, 10:12:33 PM, Graham wrotened: GS I have a person who I email regularly. Emails that I initiate, get GS through to him, but if I reply to one of his emails he doesn't GS receive it. Do they bounce back to you or disappear? What's different about your reply template to your new message template? I cannot see any differences and I haven't made any edits to any templates. I shall look again - I cannot see anything obvious. Does anyone you mail use the same mail host/ISP? Yes, me ! We both use the same ISP to host our web site and email server. I have tried sending myself email from my University account, and then replying to my University account and it works fine. Maybe something with his local spam filter. Thanks for your help -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Thomas, Friday, October 13, 2006, 2:43:12 AM, you wrote: GS Thanks, but only one entry for this contact and no reply templates GS defined. When you reply, is the a spelling mistake in his address? No, I have checked this Just guessing: Maybe he has a spelling mistake in his Reply-To header, which TB uses. His other correspondents may be using the From header. How do I view the Reply to header? I have right clicked on the header and selected the Reply to option in the headers menu, but it isn't showing up. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Graham, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:59:18 +0100GMT (13-10-2006, 8:59 , where I live), you wrote: GS How do I view the Reply to header? I have right clicked on the header GS and selected the Reply to option in the headers menu, but it isn't GS showing up. Press Shift-Ctrl-K to view all headers (including the reply-to header) while viewing the message. Press Shift-Ctrl-K again to make them disappear. -- Groetjes, Roelof Fatal System Error: (A)bort (R)etry (G)et OS/2 http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpwrWjX3SrlY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 13, 2006, 9:10:49 AM, you wrote: Press Shift-Ctrl-K to view all headers (including the reply-to header) while viewing the message. Press Shift-Ctrl-K again to make them disappear. I have extracted the headers from a send to email (upper) and a reply to email (lower). Can anyone see anything strange about them. Many thanks. Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:34:25 +0100 From: Graham Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.85.03) Professional Reply-To: Graham Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Bisset [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PSU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:31:41 +0100 From: Graham Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.85.03) Professional Reply-To: Graham Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Bisset [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: PSU questions In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Reply to problem
Hello Thomas, Friday, October 13, 2006, 2:43:12 AM, you wrote: GS Thanks, but only one entry for this contact and no reply templates GS defined. When you reply, is the a spelling mistake in his address? No, I have checked this Just guessing: Maybe he has a spelling mistake in his Reply-To header, which TB uses. His other correspondents may be using the From header. How do I view the Reply to header? I have right clicked on the header and selected the Reply to option in the headers menu, but it isn't showing up. For your information I have exactly the same problem when sending emails to a client in Australia. All replies disappear into the ether. Sending standalone emails seems to work. I have asked their IT people to look into their firewall, spam filters etc. but to no avail. This only happens with this one email address. I have started to send faxes to back up emails as a last resort! One suggestion: Have you tried to send replies to this address from another email client e.g. a web based client such as Yahoo, Gmail etc? If this works it's either a Bat or a server issue. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Reply to problem
Hello David, Friday, October 13, 2006, 1:50:48 PM, you wrote: For your information I have exactly the same problem when sending emails to a client in Australia. All replies disappear into the ether. Sending standalone emails seems to work. I have asked their IT people to look into their firewall, spam filters etc. but to no avail. This only happens with this one email address. I have started to send faxes to back up emails as a last resort! One suggestion: Have you tried to send replies to this address from another email client e.g. a web based client such as Yahoo, Gmail etc? If this works it's either a Bat or a server issue. Interesting. I've only been using The Bat! for a couple of weeks and never had any problems with Outlook, which I have used replying to this address regularly in the past. No other changes seems to have occurred - no new anti-spam software etc. The only change seems to be using The Bat! Strange. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Graham, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:21:19 +0100GMT (13-10-2006, 11:21 , where I live), you wrote: disappear. GS I have extracted the headers from a send to email (upper) and a reply GS to email (lower). Can anyone see anything strange about them. Many GS thanks. I can't see anything wrong with it. Here's a wild guess, what if you disable 'reply numbering'? GS Subject: Re[2]: PSU questions Because I can't see anything wrong with both messages. You can disable reply numbering at: Account - Properties - Templates - Reply - Use reply numbering in the subject line -- Groetjes, Roelof Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpvs1kldOaDC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Cut mark (was: Reply to problem)
Hallo David, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:50:48 +0100GMT (13-10-2006, 14:50 +0200, where I live), you wrote: DE etc? If this works it's either a Bat or a server issue. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out David. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Flame On: something moderators will ban you for doing pgpwBwtKslsHp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 13, 2006, 3:08:33 PM, you wrote: Because I can't see anything wrong with both messages. You can disable reply numbering at: Account - Properties - Templates - Reply - Use reply numbering in the subject line Is this going to affect message threading? -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Graham, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:27:15 +0100GMT (13-10-2006, 16:27 , where I live), you wrote: You can disable reply numbering at: GS Is this going to affect message threading? No. Not for TB and other threading mail clients. For non-threading mail clients that only thread/sort on subject it might improve threading. -- Groetjes, Roelof What do you mean, you formatted the cat?!? http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgppN8PTWAUhA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 13, 2006, 3:52:06 PM, you wrote: You can disable reply numbering at: GS Is this going to affect message threading? No. Not for TB and other threading mail clients. For non-threading mail clients that only thread/sort on subject it might improve threading. Thanks, I will give this a try. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Graham, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:59:18 +0100 GMT (13/10/2006, 13:59 +0700 GMT), Graham Smith wrote: When you reply, is the a spelling mistake in his address? GS No, I have checked this That crashes my theory. Just guessing: Maybe he has a spelling mistake in his Reply-To header, which TB uses. His other correspondents may be using the From header. GS How do I view the Reply to header? I have right clicked on the header GS and selected the Reply to option in the headers menu, but it isn't GS showing up. Crtl-K was suggested to see all headers. You can also hit F9 to see the whole source of the message, which is what I usually do. It will also show you other problems, such as unbalanced boundaries. Not that I have experienced TB! generating such a problem, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:52:06 +0200, Roelof Otten wrote: GSIs this going to affect message threading? No. Not for TB and other threading mail clients. For non-threading mail clients that only thread/sort on subject it might improve threading. However, other mail clients DO have a problem when replying to those numbered Re: TB-specific messages, because they don't recognize them as such. Which leads to messages with Subjects like: Re: Re[4]: Reply to problem. In short, this Re: numbering is non-RFC, superfluous and stupid, and RIT should get rid of it as soon as possible Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Thomas, Friday, October 13, 2006, 4:17:40 PM, you wrote: Crtl-K was suggested to see all headers. You can also hit F9 to see the whole source of the message, which is what I usually do. It will also show you other problems, such as unbalanced boundaries. Not that I have experienced TB! generating such a problem, though. F9 looks useful. thanks -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 17:27 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: In short, this Re: numbering is non-RFC Can you point me to the RFC that says reply prefixes *MUST NOT* contain these numbers? superfluous and stupid, and RIT should get rid of it as soon as possible Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, when looked at in the right way, did not become still more complicated. -- Poul Anderson Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 13, 2006, 3:52:06 PM, you wrote: You can disable reply numbering at: GS Is this going to affect message threading? No. Not for TB and other threading mail clients. For non-threading mail clients that only thread/sort on subject it might improve threading. This seems to have worked :-) Many thanks -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello David, Friday, October 13, 2006, 1:50:48 PM, you wrote: For your information I have exactly the same problem when sending emails to a client in Australia. All replies disappear into the ether. Sending standalone emails seems to work. I have asked their IT people to look into their firewall, spam filters etc. but to no avail. This only happens with this one email address. I have started to send faxes to back up emails as a last resort! I don't know if you are following the other parts of this thread but the suggestion from Roelof seems to have worked and my problem email address is now receiving reply to emails from The Bat! ...disable reply numbering at: Account - Properties - Templates - Reply - Use reply numbering in the subject line -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Graham, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:24:39 +0100GMT (13-10-2006, 19:24 , where I live), you wrote: You can disable reply numbering at: GS This seems to have worked :-) In that case it's most likely that the Re[2]: in the subject was triggering some sort of spam filter. Just out of curiosity, did you even receive your own replies to the list back at your account, considering that you are using the same ISP as your friend? -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows:(n.)3. The solution to a problem that didn't exist. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpZuwqPFP2vD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 13, 2006, 7:08:24 PM, you wrote: You can disable reply numbering at: GS This seems to have worked :-) In that case it's most likely that the Re[2]: in the subject was triggering some sort of spam filter. Just out of curiosity, did you even receive your own replies to the list back at your account, considering that you are using the same ISP as your friend? I have been having no problems. including emails that I sent to myself from my University account, and then replied back to myself from The Bat! (at home). They all arrived as expected. But since changing this setting I have now sent and received three emails using the reply to, and it is working. He has no local Spam filter, but we are using different servers at the ISP, so maybe they are set up slightly diferently. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:15:27 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: In short, this Re: numbering is non-RFC Can you point me to the RFC that says reply prefixes *MUST NOT* contain these numbers? RFC-2822 has this to say: 3.6.5. Informational fields [...] The Subject: field is the most common and contains a short string identifying the topic of the message. When used in a reply, the field body MAY start with the string Re: (from the Latin res, in the matter of) followed by the contents of the Subject: field body of the original message. If this is done, only one instance of the literal string Re: ought to be used since use of other strings or more than one instance can lead to undesirable consequences. If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. superfluous and stupid, and RIT should get rid of it as soon as possible Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Friday, October 13, 2006, 3:24:35 PM, Arjan de Groot on TBUDL wrote: Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. I never have understood why we had that option to begin with. That's always one of the first things I do on setting up an account, turn off reply numbering. -- David Cá fhad é ó an tús go deireadh? Turas mór. Using The Bat! v3.86.03 ALPHA (beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 21:24 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: [...] The Subject: field is the most common and contains a short string identifying the topic of the message. When used in a reply, the field body MAY start with the string Re: (from the Latin res, in the matter of) followed by the contents of the Subject: field body of the original message. If this is done, only one instance of the literal string Re: ought to be used since use of other strings or more than one instance can lead to undesirable consequences. If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. That is one interpretation. :-) Another fine example of an RFC that doesn't create clarity, because it leaves too much room for interpretation. The only thing that is absolutely clear in this paragraph is: if you add Re:, you should add it only once. The rest? Pretty washy in my opinion. Its always *may* and *ought to* - not *must*. Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Non-Reciprocal Law of Expectations: Negative expectations yield negative results. Positive expectations yield negative results. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else, on 13-Okt-2006 at 20:08 you (Roelof Otten) wrote: In that case it's most likely that the Re[2]: in the subject was triggering some sort of spam filter. That sounds very plausible. There's been quite some spam in the past that contained this Re: numbering in the subject. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Every tomorrow has two handles. We can take hold of it with the handle of anxiety or the handle of faith. -- H. W. Beecher Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:25:45 -0400, David Calvarese wrote: Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. I never have understood why we had that option to begin with. That's always one of the first things I do on setting up an account, turn off reply numbering. Shortly after sending my previous message I suddenly remembered the SINGLERE macro. Back in the TB! v1.xx days you had to use this macro in Reply-templates in order to suppress the default Re[x]: numbering. I never understood the purpose of this TB! specific idiosyncrazy. Maybe it is some kind of inheritance of the BBS-era of the late eighties, begin nineties, or something like that. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:53:46 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. That is one interpretation. :-) Another fine example of an RFC that doesn't create clarity, because it leaves too much room for interpretation. That's RFCs for you... ;-) The rest? Pretty washy in my opinion. Its always *may* and *ought to* - not *must*. Yes of course. But these RFCs have nevertheless led to some kind of generally accepted consensus on e-mail formatting. And that's what counts in the end. Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 14 Oct 2006, @ @ at 00:01:36 +0200, when Arjan de Groot wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:53:46 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: If I understand correctly, it implies: you MAY use 1 instance of Re: in a reply, but you SHOULD NOT use other strings as it can lead to undesirable consequences. That is one interpretation. :-) Another fine example of an RFC that doesn't create clarity, because it leaves too much room for interpretation. That's RFCs for you... ;-) The rest? Pretty washy in my opinion. Its always *may* and *ought to* - not *must*. Yes of course. But these RFCs have nevertheless led to some kind of generally accepted consensus on e-mail formatting. And that's what counts in the end. Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though. That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid. Well, that is your opinion. I wouldn't use such hard words. I call it stupid because it serves no purpose whatsoever. No other mail-client that I know of understands it, no e-mail user that I know of cares about it. It's just code sitting in there for nothing. It's pretty good and legitimate determination, since stupidity is a poor ability to understand and profit from experience, while its antonym, intelligence, denotes ability to recognize connections between things and their essential relations, in experiencing them, and particularly if those experiences are something new. Besides, RCFs are just and only and exclusively _recommendations_, not any form of a strict rules, or laws or anything similar. They are actually a sets of recommended/chosen _habits_, and in no way any sort of standards. Hence those who do not understand the very nature, definition and purpose of RFCs cannot profit from experiencing them as such through the act of reading. Many indeed quite often mix up RFCs with standards (the things that define quality, not a habits) and similar strict types of rules, and it not so rarely happens even to software developers, their sponsors, corporative customers etc. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 i686 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRTA6/rSpHvHEUtv8AQgsmggApYzr1VNjk7jWv8dqUjs/06JpKdK01QY/ LTUdtFPP3cAV925t20QZqnmo3KYhCBJYiztEi6seeYv+BMjSgbGMC69HpuTMfrow gvkMBLQGFgCtBfL7GWyc18dTpkErsoel/zs+vvCoxQABPZQ9y5naFtEhPpnoG7UL TxnIKS0NPT/NcC7eQImTw0alCoWXQVKKdpmLuAlrXfLSem8qc/jM3XgBmkG/p0tx 8911zMbbOjLsN9mcaRP/ewl3g36aJ2dpB3116iivnA8AJeY9VPS923haJNY1MVSS BEWvhdGOK+OkCauB4idhfWjLRWfR1YiEd/VvEUf+++kstumpVWlCcQ== =lwzb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply to problem
Hello, I have a weird problem, which may be nothing to do with The Bat! but has only occurred since I started to use The Bat! I have a person who I email regularly. Emails that I initiate, get through to him, but if I reply to one of his emails he doesn't receive it. He is confident that this is only happening with emails from me, and as far as I can make out this is only happening when I reply to emails from him. Replying to anyone elses emails get through. Has anyone any idea what might be happening here, and is there any chance that I have set up something weird in The Bat! that might be causing this problem. Many thanks. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Graham, On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:12:33 +0100GMT (12-10-2006, 23:12 , where I live), you wrote: GS I have a person who I email regularly. Emails that I initiate, get GS through to him, but if I reply to one of his emails he doesn't GS receive it. Check your address book for entries of this contact (there might be more than one) and check whether you've got reply templates defined for him, especially ones that alter the recipient of the reply. -- Groetjes, Roelof The only difference between lawyers and vultures is removable wingtips http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.85.03 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpxIuVghkAjJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to problem
Hello Roelof, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 11:59:34 PM, you wrote: Check your address book for entries of this contact (there might be more than one) and check whether you've got reply templates defined for him, especially ones that alter the recipient of the reply. Thanks, but only one entry for this contact and no reply templates defined. -- Best regards, Graham mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Howdy Graham, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 10:12:33 PM, Graham wrotened: GS I have a weird problem, which may be nothing to do with The Bat! but GS has only occurred since I started to use The Bat! GS I have a person who I email regularly. Emails that I initiate, get GS through to him, but if I reply to one of his emails he doesn't GS receive it. GS He is confident that this is only happening with emails from me, and as far GS as I can make out this is only happening when I reply to emails from GS him. Replying to anyone elses emails get through. GS Has anyone any idea what might be happening here, and is there any GS chance that I have set up something weird in The Bat! that might be GS causing this problem. Do they bounce back to you or disappear? What's different about your reply template to your new message template? If they are disappearing it sounds as thought there is something in the headers that is setting of a spam filter on a server which is taking the message, but if it is only doing that on the replies it suggests something about the template that is different. Does anyone you mail use the same mail host/ISP? -- Have Fun, Benedict Allen Ben is Rohop mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anybody that wants the presidency so much that he would spend two years campaigning and organizing for it should not be trusted with the office. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hello Graham, On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:14:54 +0100 GMT (13/10/2006, 06:14 +0700 GMT), Graham Smith wrote: GS Thanks, but only one entry for this contact and no reply templates GS defined. When you reply, is the a spelling mistake in his address? Just guessing: Maybe he has a spelling mistake in his Reply-To header, which TB uses. His other correspondents may be using the From header. -- Cheers, Thomas. From page 468 of Using Turbo C++ by Herbert Schildt: REMEMBER: The private parts of an object are accessible only by functions that are members of that object. (Well, there goes free love...) http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply-To problem
I wish to have the reply-to field blank. If that's not possible, I want it set, in a specific folder for an email list, to be the email list address. No matter what I've tried, in the specific list's folder, the reply to, upon checking again, has reverted to the From information. And the reason I wish this would be that there is a certain list I am on that sends List replies to me rather than the mentioned list. They can't fix that problem so I am trying to do the make-shift repairs on my end. -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.72.04 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 25 Mar 2006, @ @ at 08:55:33 -0500, when Robert D. wrote: I wish to have the reply-to field blank. If that's not possible, I want it set, in a specific folder for an email list, to be the email list address.-¸ | No matter what I've tried, in the specific| list's folder, the reply to, upon checking again, has reverted to t|he From information. | And the reason I wish this would be that t|here is a certain list I am on that sends List replies to me rather th|an the mentioned list. They can't fix that problem so I am trying to d|o the make-shift repairs on my end. | | A line like... --° %REPLYTO=Robert D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...placed in your folder's reply template should fix it. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 570 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBRCVbk7SpHvHEUtv8AQMVrwf/YQkiP8k6/Y9i4wUX0/XdNSWhGTEOWe4/ FENm3cDV7P90EscNsVYZlUwVY/5QQAwLNNUhDYfqRjU51Gf7jiBDvioarQzau/wj Cktnd6PD3/osCDE4zIQQ2KiCoGUKKAb4gYm5DU8K6g8ovXW42DoLtnnLSJcT+Pky fPgHWLHD+M86OK4TkIR4+1wTWhuUMb0+OJQ2rXgl72ih1kIZmcc7eEUr8AzI45Lo mO2x4kxkiIx7uXjIpNytyboLUCTxdNrIAoLaTVxV0VQiLC1mXpBhBX9MDGdy5o6O WASiZ7g2YsYx48dLaY6bhKLY5T8P/xfrxtAZIwBoHKf6ma7U5kkcFQ== =Bjb9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Hello Robert, No matter what I've tried, in the specific list's folder, the reply to, upon checking again, has reverted to the From information. Have you set the Reply-To in the Identity of the folder properties? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.72.04 (Beta) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Recently, MAU opined : Have you set the Reply-To in the Identity of the folder properties? Yes, I did but it **seemed** to ALWAYS track what the Account's Reply-To was. As it turn out, I copied what Mica just suggested and oddly it worked this time. For, that was what I thought I was trying and every single time, all I had in the reply was my account's Reply-To *** inserted *** .If I removed the Reply-To ///blanked it out/// in the ACCOUNT portion, then all was OK in the individual Email-List Folder. Alas, quite clearly I was erring somehow because it now works. Thanks to thee and Mica -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.72.04 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Hello Robert, On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:55:33 -0500 GMT (25/03/2006, 20:55 +0700 GMT), Robert D. wrote: RD I wish to have the reply-to field blank. Account / Properties / General. Take the entries at Reply-To Information out. In fact, they should be blank by default. RD If that's not possible, I want it set, in a specific folder for an RD email list, to be the email list address. Check out the macro %Replyto=Address in the Help file. RD And the reason I wish this would be that there is a certain list I RD am on that sends List replies to me rather than the mentioned RD list. They can't fix that problem so I am trying to do the RD make-shift repairs on my end. Hm. On all lists I post, the list software will overwrite the reply-to address with the list address. I wonder what is wrong at that list you mention. -- Cheers, Thomas. Hilfe mein Nachbar wohnt neben mir! * http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.71.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Thomas Fernandez waved a wand then said : In fact, they should be blank by default. OK ... I shall ... but could you enlighten me as to why it should be blank? Hm. On all lists I post, the list software will overwrite dunno laddie , however, there are a couple of them, one being: Analog-Help analog-help@lists.meer.net where this ALWAYS happens to me. -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.72.04 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Who would have guessed that Thomas Fernandez would have said : Account / Properties / General. Take the entries at Reply-To Information out. In fact, they should be blank by default. Actually, I remember now. A couple of years ago, there was a list to which I belonged, that categorically refused to allow my emails through the inbound filters if it didn't see a valid reply-to . And thus, I went and added it up in the accounts. QED -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.72.04 (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Hello Robert, On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:29:35 -0500 GMT (25/03/2006, 22:29 +0700 GMT), Robert D. wrote: In fact, they should be blank by default. RD OK ... I shall ... but could you enlighten me as to why it should be RD blank? It's not your fault, the default is set by Ritlabs. It should be blank by default because it is only necessary if the Reply-To address and the From-address differ. In that case you have to set it anyway; but the default causes problems with some mailing lists (as you have encountered). Hm. On all lists I post, the list software will overwrite RD dunno laddie , however, there are a couple of them, one being: RD Analog-Help analog-help@lists.meer.net where this ALWAYS happens RD to me. I won't subscribe to that list to find out. ;-) Depending on what list software they use, I am pretty sure that there is an option for the required overwrite. -- Cheers, Thomas. There are plenty of fish in the sea¡K well that¡Šs great for the fish. But I date humans. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.71.03 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply-To problem
Hello Robert D. everyone else, on 25-Mrz-2006 at 14:55 you (Robert D.) wrote: And the reason I wish this would be that there is a certain list I am on that sends List replies to me rather than the mentioned list. They can't fix that problem so I am trying to do the make-shift repairs on my end. This may very well be intentional... I am on such a list, too. It is a public discussion list using the MailMan software, but the list owners still refuse to set the reply-to to the list address. Thats odd, but I had to accept it. When I tried the very thing you want to try, all kinds of weird things happened, some of the list members where upset. I deal with it using templates now. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) We are in the early morning of understanding our place in the universe, and our spectacular latent powers. -- Marylin Fergenson Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Andrew, On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:48:05 -0500GMT (19-12-2004, 20:48 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Charles mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AMG Not sure why this would happen, but you should consider installing moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Andrew. ' Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof this copy of me has been unregistered for more than 42 years. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp21l2kQw8h2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply template problem
Thomas, Yes, my mistake, thanks. -- William Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply template problem
Roelof, RO In an AB template it should be easy. You can insert his/her name RO without any macros. ;-) I can't get anything I enter into the Reply template in the AddressBook to appear in the message editor when I create a reply. -- William Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template problem
Hallo William, On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:33:34 +GMT (27-11-03, 8:33 +0100, where I live), you wrote: WS I can't get anything I enter into the Reply template in the WS AddressBook to appear in the message editor when I create a reply. The most common reason for that is having multiple entries in your AB(s) for the same address. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply template problem
Roelof, Thanks, I've found the problem. -- William Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template problem
Hello William,
A reminder of what William Sigmund typed on:
26 November 2003 at 22:08:03 GMT +
WS Is there anything I have overlooked?
%TOFNAME
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Reply template problem
Hi, I can't get my reply template to insert the recipient's name into either a folder template or an address book template. I use this to get the first name from the address book: %AbFROMFirstName Is there anything I have overlooked? -- William Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template problem
Hallo William, On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:08:03 +GMT (26-11-03, 23:08 +0100, where I live), you wrote: WS I can't get my reply template to insert the recipient's name into WS either a folder template or an address book template. In an AB template it should be easy. You can insert his/her name without any macros. ;-) WS I use this to get the first name from the address book: WS %AbFROMFirstName You want to get the first name of the recipient in a reply, that means you can get it the current To or from the old from, so the macro would be %ABToFirstName (the current To) or %ABOFromFirstName ( the Old From) When you're using this in an ABTemplate you're sure that you've got an AB listing for your recipient, but when you're using this in a folder or account template, it's possible that you haven't got a AB listing for the original poster, so you could use: %ABOFromFirstName=OFromFName this macro'll take the first name from the AB and when that's not possible it takes the first name from the old from header. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply template problem
Hello William, On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:08:03 + GMT (27/11/2003, 05:08 +0700 GMT), William Sigmund wrote: I use this to get the first name from the address book: %AbFROMFirstName This would be your own name; you are the sender in the FROM field. If you do not have your own address in the AB, this macro will return an empty string. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. BALDERDASH: Rapidly receding hairline Message reply created with The Bat! 2.01.26 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hi Roelof, On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:37:40 +0200 Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry but have to disagree. Look two messages back in the thread. ;-) You're reacting on a part of it, I know :-) You said RFC2822 tells Reply-To can have more than one address. Thomas begged not to say this is a change from 822 to 2822. You confirmed and stated you appreciate the change because it offers 'broader possibilities'. I had to disagree, because this _ain't_ a change between both versions, it were already present in 822, as well as it is in 2822, so I didn't disagree the fact it is allowed but the fact you stated: RFC822 states clearly that the reply-to should have only one address. :-) Thought this is obvious as I concentrated to put my 'disagree' inline, directly behind this sentence of you :-) -- Pit Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Peter, On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:21:30 +0200GMT (22-10-02, 13:21 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: PP :-) Thought this is obvious as I concentrated to put my 'disagree' PP inline, directly behind this sentence of you :-) Excuse me for missing your point. ;-) You're completely right of course. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hallo Peter, On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:59:40 +0200GMT (21-10-02, 12:59 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: PP I'm sorry but have to disagree. Look two messages back in the thread. ;-) You're reacting on a part of it, -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Good afternoon Thomas, It was foretold that on 20-10-2002 19:01:58 GMT+0700 (which was 14:01:58 where I live) Thomas Fernandez would mumble: snipped a bit TF This will at least send the reply to the original poster's PM address TF as well Exactly -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Man is a clever animal who behaves like an imbecile. - Albert Schweitzer. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply to problem
Good night list, I have a weird thing happening: one of the lists i'm subscribed to seems to have strange headers: sometimes the reply-to header doesn't contain the mail address of the list but that of the sender of a message, thus my reply doesn't get to the list. Some messages have only the to field with the mail address of the list, others have a combination of both. Is it the list set up or did i miss some setting in the TB!? -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version Service Pack 35.0 and using the best browser: Opera. Democracy is mob rule, but with income taxes. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hey Luc, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta6) Personal' was used to write mid:2439927923.20021020021339;pandora.be on Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:13:39 PM. L I have a weird thing happening: one of the lists i'm subscribed to L seems to have strange headers: sometimes the reply-to header L doesn't contain the mail address of the list but that of the L sender of a message, thus my reply doesn't get to the list. Some L messages have only the to field with the mail address of the L list, others have a combination of both. A couple of the lists I am on do the same thing. L Is it the list set up or did i miss some setting in the TB!? It is the list. What you can do in TB is set up a folder template (I believe this is the only time a folder template is recommended) that sends your reply to the list's address. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Keyboard Not Found - Press [F1] to Continue Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Good night Tim, It was foretold that on 20-10-2002 20:20:53 GMT-0400 (which was 2:20:53 where I live) Tim Musson would mumble: snipped a bit TM It is the list. What you can do in TB is set up a folder template (I TM believe this is the only time a folder template is recommended) that TM sends your reply to the list's address. I was afraid for that. As i'm not keen on folder templates, i'll make a Qt for it (the address is in my AB, so a QT will be better i guess). Tnx. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version Service Pack 35.0 and using the best browser: Opera. A prune is a plum with experience. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Good night Luc, It was foretold that on 20-10-2002 @ 02:30:29 GMT+0200 (which was 2:30:29 where I live) Luc would mumble: snipped a bit L i'll make a Qt for it which doesn't work :(. Here's my QT: %SINGLERE%- %REPLYTO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] %Qinclude=IE %BCC= %LANGUAGE=BR %Wrapped=%Qinclude='reply' %Qinclude=Snipper %Qinclude='REQ' %Qinclude='RTPOL' %CURSOR Best regards, %FromFName %Wrapped=%Qinclude='Bat versie' %Wrapped=%Qinclude='cookie' %NOUSEPGP Everything works, accept the replyto? It's getting late for me, so maybe i overlooked something? -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62/Beta6 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version Service Pack 35.0 and using the best browser: Opera. They say that money isn't everything in life. Of course, they are talking about the money of others. - Sacha Guitry (French comedian) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply to problem
Hey Luc, My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta6) Personal' was used to write mid:19742166081.20021020025057;pandora.be on Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 8:50:57 PM. L snipped a bit me to! 8 snip Are you sure you want to set the replyto in a message you are creating? Don't you want to clear the old TO and set a new one? Here is how I have it set up. ,- [ My QT called perl ] | %TO=%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED]%CC= `- ,- [ Pertinent line in my Perl lists folder reply template. ] | %QInclude=perl `- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! eMail v1.61 Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) Hang up and drive. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: reply template problem
Tuesday, 8/13/02, 3:20 PM Hi Marck, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 12:32:58 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:32 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'reply template problem' MDP ... but do the default account templates apply across the board? Do MDP you have anything in your address book for any of the variants that MDP may be distracting TB? The only constant in the address book entries is that my last name is somewhere in it. Each entry is unique, eg: Paul Wilson, Pwilson, pgwilson, etc. Each handle or nickname is not even a variant of those. By the way, I had to find this message in my archive account. It never arrived in the account that it was sent from. I think there may be a problem with that account. The reply will have the proper date and name, subject info. The Quotes, cursor and cookie macros don't work. -snip- MDP There's no reason why that would happen with consistent templates. For testing I have pasted the same template in all of the address book entries, plus the group reply, the account reply and folder reply, (which normally is blank) Same result, only a portion of the template works. MDP If that were really the reply template being used then you would have MDP no problem. I think that something else is kicking in. Check your MDP address book. Check the various account templates. The problem is only with that one account. A reply between any of the other accounts works fine. This problem account is the oldest one. It may be time to clean house :) -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul I have a photogenic memory. Powered by The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: reply template problem
Tuesday, 8/13/02, 3:53 PM Hi Allie, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, at 07:23:10 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:23 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'reply template problem' ACM So what templates do you use? Address book? Yes! ACM Are you saying that your folder templates are empty? Yes! ACM then create a quick template with handle name 'sigstrip'. Copy and ACM paste in it the following: Nice QT works great except on that one account. In my reply to Mark I noted that a reply between any of the other accounts works fine. It seems to be just this one account. ACM You weren't clear either on whether or not this same template is being ACM used when generating replies that were OK in content. To test I pasted that template everywhere, ad book entries, group, account, and even the folders. Still the same result, that one account does not act properly. I think I am going to delete that entire account and rebuild it from scratch. It is my oldest account. Thank you Allie -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul Nobody knows what you look like. That makes some people,...nervous. Powered by The Bat! v1.62/Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: reply template problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, @11 August 2002, 20:01 -0700 (04:01 UK time) Paul Wilson in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL Members: I have several accounts set up. Each has a unique variation of my name. ... but do the default account templates apply across the board? Do you have anything in your address book for any of the variants that may be distracting TB? ... snip The reply will have the proper date and name, subject info. The Quotes, cursor and cookie macros don't work. No quotes, the cursor is at the top of the page and where the cookie should it says (E:\batbu\tags.txt) which is the proper path and file. There's no reason why that would happen with consistent templates. ... snip **reply template* ... snip If that were really the reply template being used then you would have no problem. I think that something else is kicking in. Check your address book. Check the various account templates. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.90-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9VktqOeQkq5KdzaARAj6bAJwNi6feI3jOmUcT1aKJTi5aYGTxBgCffYHy kHeWzdl2vKlU3y6mPDaKiOw= =KRjL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
reply template problem
Saturday, 8/10/02, 7:57 PM
Hi TBUDL Members,
I posted this on the beta list and got no response, so I will try
here.
I have several accounts set up. Each has a unique variation of my name.
No duplicate handles or address book entries. No Folder Templates
involved here, (I don't use them)
If I send a test message from one account to another, all works fine.
If I reply to that message, Highlighting and pressing F4 only a portion
of the template works.
The reply will have the proper date and name, subject info. The
Quotes, cursor and cookie macros don't work. No quotes, the cursor is
at the top of the page and where the cookie should it says
(E:\batbu\tags.txt) which is the proper path and file.
A reply to any other message, including one from myself at work, works
perfectly as expected.
I am not sure this is not a protection in case a person had auto reply
set up you could end up with a buzzillion replies, or if there is
something I am missing.
The template is below. Any help appreciated.
**reply template*
%DOW, %DATESHORT, %TIME
Hi
%TOFNAME,%SETPATTREGEXP=(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%HEADERS
On%SUBPATT=2, at %SUBPATT=3 [GMT%SUBPATT=4] (which was %OTIME where I
live)
you wrote about:
'%setpattregexp=(?i)\A\:?(\s*\[.*\])?(\s*(re|ha|rcpt|fwd|fw)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*(.*)%RegExpBlindMatch=%OSubj%SubPatt=5'
%quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)
%CURSOR
--
Your communication is greatly appreciated,
%FROMFNAME
%COOKIE=E:\batbu\tags.txt
On the wings of The Bat! Version: %THEBATVERSION
Running on: %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME,%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION,%WINDOWSMINORVERSION
End*
--
Your communication is appreciated,
Paul
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Multiple Domains/Aliases... Single POP3... Reply All problem
Hi All, This one has probably come up a couple of times... I just don't seem to be able to find anything in the BUDL archives (I've spent the last couple of days looking). This is the situation. I have several domain names (for the same company) pipped into one pop3 account (they're all running on a single server, and are all related so don't need to be seperated). The problem is, if one address gets used (say [EMAIL PROTECTED]), and my Address in my pop3 settings is set to the one I use most of the time (at the bottom of the email), if I hit reply-all, it includes my other email address in the CC field. I don't want this to happen, so I have to manually delete the email address. Maybe an example would be good: ClientA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) sends email to me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and CC's his Boss on in the email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). If I hit reply-all, this happens: TO : ClientA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CC : [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doing this results in duplicates to me (not needed, or wanted). Is there an expression about that can strip off that other email (I have about 4 of them) address? I know about creating folders, and setting identities to them, but this isn't what I'm after either. TIA :) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60h FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
