Re: Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Watcher everyone else, on 17-Dez-2004 at 21:10 you (Watcher) wrote: I don't know of any desktop spam filter with Bayes analysis that comes Wow, that is strange to hear, it worked the instant I installed it, I trained it very little and it has been doing well. Thats not so strange - I don't know how BayesIt actually works, but I think everything is considered ham until you re-classify it. :) Of course I have NO email offers that I consider non-spam, I don't want to be 'kept up to date', when I need something I'll start looking, not get what someone sent to my desktop to sell me something. Maybe that is part of the reason? The success of any Bayes filter is dependant on one's email profile, and undoubtfully a consistent classification by the end-user is necessary. Its surprising however how precise PopFile can classify mails (PopFile can not only keep ham and spam apart, but classify mails into groups that you define yourself). If I start having problems, I'll download K9 as you suggested, it looks fine except that it's external which will be a bit more of a pain. As it is now, both have their pros cons... BayesIt integrates nicely into TB, K9 has a much better configuration interface. I actually find it easier to re-classify a mail with K9 than with BI. BayesIt needs better integration into TB, but I think that is not the problem of TB but rather the plugin interface. For example, I'd like to have some buttons for classification in the mail viewer and preview pane, and not nested in some right-click menu. I'd also like to see the score of each message in TB, and not only in the logfiles of BI. For me, K9's interface is simply better for that. PopFile's interface statistics are unrivalled IMHO, but then again, the program is so slow, it hurts. :) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 de la Lastra's Corollary: After an access cover has been secured by 16 hold-down screws, it will be discovered that the gasket has been ommitted. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Watcher everyone else, on 17-Dez-2004 at 18:03 you (Watcher) wrote: [ BayesIt ] It starts out with it's basic knowlege about spam I don't know of any desktop spam filter with Bayes analysis that comes with a pre-defined dictionary. You have to teach any Bayes filter (not only BayesIt) what is good (ham) and what is bad (spam) mail continously - its accuracy will increase over time and you have to do less training in the long run and only need to occasionally re-classify one or the other mail. The nice thing about BayesIt is (or theoretically, would be) that you can immediately train it from within TB - mark everything in your Sent folder and classify it as not junk (server-side commercial spam filters can often auto-learn from sent messages, too). And you could download collections of spam mails from the internet, import them to TB and train BayesIt with those (similar game, select them all and classify as junk). However, this won't fit your very own personal spam profile (one person may consider the weekly offers from his/her freemail provider valuable information, the other is annoyed by it and classifies it as spam), I believe importing such collections actually weakens the filter because it is not precise enough to catch the mails that you, and only you, consider spam. I had the same problems with BayesIt as Roelof had - I teached and teached it with the spam that went to my Inbox, but it never seemed to catch up. With different mail aliases (7) and accounts (2), I get the very same spam message repeatedly, yet BayesIt didn't recognize them, not after re-classifying the first, the second, the third... I don't know whats wrong with it, and why it works fine for others - for me, it didn't. Having used SpamPal + Bayesian plugin, PopFile lately K9, they all performed a lot better even after the shortest training periods. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.10 Home on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one. -- Benjamin Franklin Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Alexander, Friday, December 17, 2004, 1:25:25 PM, you wrote and sent the following: Having used SpamPal + Bayesian plugin, PopFile lately K9, they all performed a lot better even after the shortest training periods. It's why I use Malwasher Pro. Can include multiple e-mail accounts, but working off the same spam/legit training mail base. It also includes white list/black list, dns blacklist, and user filtering (including RegEx). Everything happens on the server so nothing gets downloaded that I don't let through (though I have recently begun letting some, to train BayesIT and give it a test. Won't be the same, but will do something when I forget to run MWP first). Now if there was a Mailwasher Plugin for TB, now that WOULD be nice. You know, I think I'll e-mail Firetrust about it. Wouldn't that be cool? -- Andrew Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 On Windows XP, 5.1 Build: 2600 The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. --Plato (427 BC - 347 BC) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam Filter (was Re: Plugin Hotmail for TB3 ?)
Hello Andrew, A reminder of what Andrew on TBUDL typed on: 17 December 2004 at 22:15:37 GMT +0100 A You know, I think I'll e-mail Firetrust about it. Wouldn't that be A cool? His name is Nick Bolton, I have Mailwasher Pro as well and I totally agree with you, it's by far the best spam killer I've used... Apart from MDaemon that is. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 17/12/2004 at 21:30 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt pgplW28UiveAB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
