Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 at 16:23:13 -0500 David R. Austen wrote: I am contemplating the following strategy: Have a new hard disk installed (it would be D:) and use that new drive as the default drive and boot XP each time. My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until I decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would remove the OS from that C drive. I used similar arrangements on my machines for several years, either out of the necessity to have two systems available or as a intermediate state when upgrading. Just be careful not to delete those critical XP system files on C (in the root directory) when removing Win98. IOW, don't boot from a DOS floppy and reformat drive C (I believe you can't do that when in XP, so you're safe there). That's the only thing I don't like about this approach: WinXP (NT, 2K) needs to put some system files on drive C. It makes backing up the system a little more tricky. Are you on TBOT? Please reply there if you want to continue on this, since this is really OT. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 at 16:12:24 -0600 Joseph N. wrote: DRA My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until DRA I decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would DRA remove the OS from that C drive. I think that approach, while it would work, has a specific risk and misses a specific opportunity. I'm not a pro in this field, but from my user's perspective, it is best to boot a Windows machine from the C: drive. That is what the OS expects, so that is where it looks for drivers, etc. I'm no expert either, but my experience (and as I told David, I did this all the time) shows that Win NT/2k/XP don't don't foolishly assume its system to be on drive C. Especially after Win2k, it handles dual-boot system pretty well. Some APPs do make foolish assumptions, but they're getting rarer by the day, I believe. I think you'd contain your risk now and into the future, and comply with the various programmers' expectations, by doing the following: Purchase a disk ghosting/imaging software (like Norton Ghost or the main competitor, whose name I cannot recall right now); DriveImage, I believe. And there's shareware/freeware. install and format a new D: drive; defrag and scandisk your c: drive; ghost the image of the entire c: drive to the d: drive; then format the c: drive and install XP. This is good if you don't really need to go back and forth between two systems during the transition. You see, leaving Win98 as it is may be more than just keeping a safe backup plan (in case WinXP fails). The transition could take weeks, or even months, that keeping the old system as it is provides many advantages. Of course, it all depends on how you like to proceed with the upgrade. There's no one-size-fits-all answer for this, IMHO. Are you on TBOT? Please follow up there if you want to continue. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 | WinXP SP-1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
Greetings, all: I would appreciate your thoughts on this. I expect it will be a good idea to upgrade my PC (98SE) to XP in the near future. At the same time, I want to upgrade my version of Bat; I am still using v. 1.53d. I am contemplating the following strategy: Have a new hard disk installed (it would be D:) and use that new drive as the default drive and boot XP each time. My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until I decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would remove the OS from that C drive. But I think I would download and then install a late (latest beta?) version of The Bat on the D: drive. My intention is to minimize risk as much as possible -- as long as I am going to the expense of buying an additional drive. Thoughts, anybody? Best regards, David Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
David, On Thursday, December 05, 2002, David R. Austen wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DRA My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until I DRA decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would remove DRA the OS from that C drive. I think that approach, while it would work, has a specific risk and misses a specific opportunity. I'm not a pro in this field, but from my user's perspective, it is best to boot a Windows machine from the C: drive. That is what the OS expects, so that is where it looks for drivers, etc. I think you'd contain your risk now and into the future, and comply with the various programmers' expectations, by doing the following: Purchase a disk ghosting/imaging software (like Norton Ghost or the main competitor, whose name I cannot recall right now); install and format a new D: drive; defrag and scandisk your c: drive; ghost the image of the entire c: drive to the d: drive; then format the c: drive and install XP. If, after a week of tweaking, it doesn't work very well and you have to go back, you just need to restore the c: drive from your d: ghost image. (It would probably be a good idea to reformat the c: drive first, but I would follow instructions on whether that's necessary.) You could also do these things from separate bootable partitions, but that is a level of complexity you probably do not need. This route also gives you the tools to make periodic ghost images onto a separate disk drive, which is a good thing regardless of your backup systems, because restoring from the ghost image is WAY faster than restoring from an offsite backup location or tape. -- JN Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
Hello David, On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:23:13 -0500 GMT (06/12/02, 04:23 +0700 GMT), David R. Austen wrote: I expect it will be a good idea to upgrade my PC (98SE) to XP in the near future. Could you tell me why? I use Win98 and am still relatively happy. I have very few crashes, and there is nothing that I miss and would expect to gain when switching to XP. The only idea I am playing with is to change to W2K, as it is supposedly more stable, plus I could use Thai language support (switch on the fly). At the same time, I want to upgrade my version of Bat; I am still using v. 1.53d. That upgrade is no problem whatsoever. I am contemplating the following strategy: Have a new hard disk installed (it would be D:) and use that new drive as the default drive and boot XP each time. I would use the C: drive as the boot drive, D: as the programs drive, and E: as the data drive. At least, that is how my next machine will look like. F: will be the backup drive, but it will be the second physical HDD. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A student was asked to list the 10 Commandments in any order. His answer? 3, 6, 1, 8, 4, 5, 9, 2, 10, 7. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
On 05 December 2002, 21:23, David R. Austen wrote: I am contemplating the following strategy: Have a new hard disk installed (it would be D:) and use that new drive as the default drive and boot XP each time. My existing software would remain on the C drive, unless and until I decide on the migration of some software. Eventually I would remove the OS from that C drive. ~~~ FWIW, I recently ran into all sorts of problems with that approach. In my case, I attempted to dual-boot NT4 and Windows 2000, installing Windows 2000 to drive D: with an existing NT4 installation on C: After installing Windows 2000, NT4 would no longer boot (even in VGA mode) and I lost all the applications and settings previously on that computer. Worse, my backup software doesn't work with Windows 2000 -- so I effectively also lost all my backups too. Thankfully, my data files are on another partition, so I at least didn't lose them. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Insanity is hereditary ... you get it from your kids! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
Friday, December 6, 2002, 4:54:25 AM, you wrote: FWIW, I recently ran into all sorts of problems with that approach. In my case, I attempted to dual-boot NT4 and Windows 2000, installing Windows 2000 to drive D: with an existing NT4 installation on C: After installing Windows 2000, NT4 would no longer boot (even in VGA mode) and I lost all the applications and settings previously on that computer. Worse, my backup software doesn't work with Windows 2000 -- so I effectively also lost all my backups too. But Dual booting Windows 2000 and 98 is a cinch. A child could do it. I do believe the issues of dual booting 2K and NT4 do not apply to 98 and Win2k as long as drives are not changed to NTFS partitions. -- Best regards, Mean Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading OS, adding a drive and downloading the latest Bat.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:24:25 + Geoff Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I recently ran into all sorts of problems with that approach. In my case, I attempted to dual-boot NT4 and Windows 2000, installing Windows 2000 to drive D: with an existing NT4 installation on C: After installing Windows 2000, NT4 would no longer boot (even in VGA mode) and I lost all the applications and settings previously on that computer. Worse, my backup software doesn't work with Windows 2000 -- so I effectively also lost all my backups too. Thankfully, my data files are on another partition, so I at least didn't lose them. If I remember correctly, this is because Windows 2000 silently upgrades any NTFS4 partitions to NTFS5. NT4 can not read them anymore once this has occurred and thus will not boot. The beautiful part of this is the fact that Microsoft didn't seem to think it was necessary to warn you before this happens. Of course I'm assuming that you were using NTFS and not FAT16 on NT4, but I think that is a fairly safe assumption. - -- Best regards, Jonathan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE98EspryIAwRrDgYwRAlQtAKC8hRDWcNkr0rPbS2Gh/Tyk3uUo0ACgtOuR v1pInJ+QdnMvuOBy7UYIX/s= =rt21 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
