Re: comments and a request
Hello Richard, On Friday, May 10, 2002 at 7:20:01 PM you wrote (at least in part): RB I ended up using a freeware program to open a raw connection to the RB SMTP in order to send SMTP commands. So why didn't you simply use the 'delivered with windows' freewware 'telnet' to open the raw connection? That's what I do when having trouble with a (SMTP|POP3|IMAP|HTTP) server ... telneting them ... No need for a MUA to implement such function ... OK, better SMTP and POP/IMAP logging would be a real benefit (maybe turned off by default, but to be activated in case of trouble), but a 'telnet' like console only for testing SMTP server ain't something The Bat! really needs as long as windows offers a telnet by itself ... The only thing _you_ have to do is reading RFCs how the communication has to be done (commands and parameters), but for successful bug hunting a server you'll need this information anyway. Otherwise not you but somebody knowledged about this issues should do it. Just my 0.02 Pit -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60j on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) A sweater is a garment worn by a child when his mother feels chilly. Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
comments and a request
Hi, I'll start with the request to save time: I recently had a problem sending mail, and got into a forceful discussion with my ISP who tried to imply it was my beloved mail client. Since The Bat! is not on their approved mail client list, the burden fell on me to prove that it wasn't the culprit. I ended up using a freeware program to open a raw connection to the SMTP in order to send SMTP commands. Thus I was able to prove their server was shutting down my connection because of a faulty routing mechanism in their configuration. All the time I was thinking, BOY, this is what The Bat! staff should have added instead of that ridiculous scratch pad. I therefore request you kill SmartBat or at least take it off of my window title bar. I further request that you add a raw SMTP\POP3 tool that can let me get down-n-dirty with my mail server. If you'd like an example of how it should look, check out Internet Maniac's Raw Connect feature. For an example of how NOT to implement it, check out Internet Genius' SMTP feature. Additional comments: I've been using The Bat! since version 1.2([0-9][a-z]), and I've been a solid fan, having found no comparison in the likes of Pegasus, Eudora, and the bloated hostware\spyware called Outlook. I've always loved the laser-focus of this product. Best mail tool period. Kick-ass functionality with premiums placed on speed and efficiency. I've gotten at least five of my friends hooked. That being said, this damn Smart Bat is very much a step in the wrong direction. I have many, many choices for a freeware scratchpad, of which even the average matches the SB functionality and is more configurable. I won't even go there with the 'Known Folder'. In short : BE CAREFUL. You are flirting with that developer's siren, Bloatware. And when you have added an ill-conceived, it is very hard to phase remove, but I'd bet money that the majority of your users won't be sad to see Smart Bat go the way of the Dodo. And don't give me some response about 'don't like it, don't use it' because that's not the point and you know it. Long live The Bat! Rich Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: comments and a request
Richard Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ridiculous scratch pad. I therefore request you kill SmartBat or at least take it off of my window title bar. I further request that you add a raw SMTP\POP3 tool that can let me get down-n-dirty with my mail server. Unless I'm missing something, there is no need for such a tool. Just use your browser like this: telnet://your_mail_server:25 for smtp or :110 for pop3, and you can have all the raw interaction you want. I certainly agree with you on the scratch pad. There are plenty capable clipboard extenders available which have the added advantage of being usable outside of TB!. -- Dave Goodman The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 98 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: comments and a request
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On Fri, 10 May 2002, at 17:17:59 -0400 Dave wrote:
DG I certainly agree with you on the scratch pad. There are plenty
DG capable clipboard extenders available which have the added advantage
DG of being usable outside of TB!.
One even do not need that. It's enough to make a txt file and write
in the first line .LOG. It will do what SmartBat ;-) is doing. And
would free some memory in TB for something useful.
Mandara
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Re: comments and a request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 19:20 op vrijdag 10 mei 2002, Richard Butler: ridiculous scratch pad. I therefore request you kill SmartBat or at least take it off of my window title bar. I further request that you add a raw SMTP\POP3 tool that can let me get down-n-dirty with my mail server. i request you try putty in 'raw' mode to get down dirty with your mail-server. way more efficient. i also request that you learn SMTP and POP from their respective RFCs (i've posted the link earlier this week). furthermore i want to state that i absolutely LOVE the smartbat (my window title bar, the nerve). it's IDEAL to reformat pieces of text copied from somewhere that i want to paste somewhere where the windowsize is limited (IRC, for example). just assign a system-wide hotkey to it. there you have it. a positive note about the smartbat. thank you for your attention. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt7 iQA/AwUBPNxe4ktQMadp+KslEQIjyACfUqXUmhGt80lcLyY21iROvlgFhkQAoKuY 64X2QHr2u7EYQ6XoLfwkgYSb =nRT/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: comments and a request
Hey Dave, My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal to write the following on Friday, May 10, 2002 at 5:17:59 PM. I further request that you add a raw SMTP\POP3 tool that can let me get down-n-dirty with my mail server. DG Unless I'm missing something, there is no need for such a tool. Just DG use your browser like this: telnet://your_mail_server:25 for smtp or DG :110 for pop3, and you can have all the raw interaction you want. Interesting, I never saw anyone do telnet://your_mail_server:25 from a browser before... I tried it and all it did is launch the native telnet application (which is what I usually do). Does it do something different on your machine? I used Win2k... (I tend to use Putty as Mrten also indicated - *much* better than the native telnet). I can't recall the RFC, but I made some notes ages ago on this. Here they are for any interested. The RFC gives the available commands and what the response codes indicate. # Notes by Timothy L Musson 1998/11/04 # telnet to a machine that responds to smtp on port 25 telnet smtp.domain.com 25 # issue the HELO command to start. HELO # issue the mail from command ([EMAIL PROTECTED] is what ever string you want) mail from:[EMAIL PROTECTED] # issue the rcpt to command (this should be a valid address) rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] # now the data command will allow you to do the rest.. data # Subject:the text you want on the subject line on the first line for a subject... # other text here goes into the message body. # end the mail message with a . on a line by itself. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] MUA = TB! v1.60h (www.RitLabs.com/The_Bat) Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: comments and a request
On Fri, 10 May 2002, Tim Musson wrote: Interesting, I never saw anyone do telnet://your_mail_server:25 from a browser before... I tried it and all it did is launch the native telnet application (which is what I usually do). Does it do something different on your machine? I used Win2k... (I tend to use Putty as Mrten also indicated - *much* better than the native telnet). I'd probably have used telnet straight off for testing. No need to go searching for that ellusive program ;) If you find that during the telnet tests, your connection is still being dropped by your ISP, then they probably need to investigate, as it sounds like the mail server timeout is set waaay to low. I can't recall the RFC, but I made some notes ages ago on this. Here they are for any interested. The RFC gives the available commands and what the response codes indicate. I use these frequently to test mail servers for open relays. One of the easiest ways than going ahead, modifying mail client settings, sending mail, changing then back... just pop open telnet/CRT/SecureCRT/Putty (or your choice), and connect :) I think the RFC you were refering to was RFC 2920. snipped RFC commands which can be found at www.rfc-editor.org -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
