Re: splitting msgs

[Mica Mijatovic]

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 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 8 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 13:09:39 -0700, when Leif Gregory wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 10:37:27 AM, you wrote:
T>> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
T>> and .xls files all the time.

> Yeah... another one of those "because everybody else is doing it"
> kinda situations! :gdr:

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 8 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 21:59:56 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else,

> on 08-Mrz-2005 at 13:17 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

>> That's why an *RTF* editor in a mail program is indescribably more
>> precious than an HTML one.

> HTML is plain text, the RTF is not. Maybe thats why HTML was used in mail
> instead of RT, originally.

RTF is also plain text. That is, might be written in a TXT editor; then
saved with 'rtf' extension, and open and read in a word processor.

Look at the source of an .rtf document and check it out yourself. For
instance, this down is a source of a brief .rtf file (written in Rough
Draft; the same one written in MS word processor would "treat" you with
almost 10 times bigger file[t but not mignon, although fatty]):

///START
{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang2074{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Times New 
Roman;}}
{\*\generator Riched20 5.40.11.2210;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\lang1033\f0\fs24 Mica 
\i writes\i0  \b something\b0 .\par
\par
And he is \ul doing\ulnone  it quite finely.\par
}
\\\END(E)

See, all is the plain text. (-:

You might save this part above with extension 'rtf', and open and read
in a word processor seeing the fine italicized, underlined and bolded
parts.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Leif,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:09:39 -0700 GMT (09/03/2005, 03:09 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:

T>> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
T>> and .xls files all the time.

LG> Yeah... another one of those "because everybody else is doing it"
LG> kinda situations! :gdr:

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Re: splitting msgs

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:59:33 +0100 GMT (09/03/2005, 00:59 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
>> and .xls files all the time.

M> And because many people don't even know RTF files exist ;-)

That's true. But I receive mails from all over the world and I cannot
take it up on myself to change that.

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Re: splitting msgs

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 8 March 2005 at 4:17:35 PM, in
, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

> Hello MFPA & everyone else,

> on 08-Mrz-2005 at 02:55 you (MFPA) wrote:

>> Oddly, it works here if I open a reply to my message
>>  received via the list. The one
>> before "best regards" has an extra  added to the front by
>> PGP, so will only work after you have verified the message using TB!'s
>> built-in PGP function. Otherwise, the extra cut mark placed after
>> "-END PGP SIGNATURE-" comes into play.

> It can't work propperly this way. Remove the cutmark AFTER your PGP
> signature and it'll be fine. TB always cuts only after the LAST cutmark in
> the message. TB can recognize PGP-mangled cutmarks, but only if there's no
> other cutmark below it.

It never recognises PGP-mangled cutmarks here. That is the reason for
adding the non-mangled one after the PGP signature.

> -- 
> This is a standard cutmark
> Like this.

Yes. These work.

>
> - --
> This is a wanna-be cutmark (to say so) and TB will recognize it (at
> least I hope so *gg*)

I wish it would but TB! does not recognise those, here at least. If it
is in a PGP-signed message, the extra  is removed when I
verify the message and then TB! honours that cut mark.

Perhaps YMMV?

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Re: splitting msgs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Mica Mijatovic & everyone else,

on 08-Mrz-2005 at 13:17 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

> That's why an *RTF* editor in a mail program is indescribably more
> precious than an HTML one.

HTML is plain text, the RTF is not. Maybe thats why HTML was used in mail
instead of RT, originally.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 10:37:27 AM, you wrote:
T> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
T> and .xls files all the time.

Yeah... another one of those "because everybody else is doing it"
kinda situations! :gdr:


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Re: splitting msgs

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

M>> I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
M>> to emails instead of using .rtf.
> 
> Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
> and .xls files all the time.

And because many people don't even know RTF files exist ;-)

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Re: splitting msgs

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:29:00 + GMT (08/03/2005, 06:29 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

M> I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
M> to emails instead of using .rtf.

Because that's how it's done in business these days. I receive .doc
and .xls files all the time.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello MFPA & everyone else,

on 08-Mrz-2005 at 02:55 you (MFPA) wrote:

> Oddly, it works here if I open a reply to my message
>  received via the list. The one
> before "best regards" has an extra  added to the front by
> PGP, so will only work after you have verified the message using TB!'s
> built-in PGP function. Otherwise, the extra cut mark placed after
> "-END PGP SIGNATURE-" comes into play.

It can't work propperly this way. Remove the cutmark AFTER your PGP
signature and it'll be fine. TB always cuts only after the LAST cutmark in
the message. TB can recognize PGP-mangled cutmarks, but only if there's no
other cutmark below it.

-- 
This is a standard cutmark
Like this.

- --
This is a wanna-be cutmark (to say so) and TB will recognize it (at
least I hope so *gg*)

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Re: splitting msgs

[MFPA]

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Hi

On Tuesday 8 March 2005 at 7:16:01 AM, in
, rich gregory wrote:

> I too worked in a place where POLICY, dictated by an ignorant
> committee, "standardized" on "Microsoft Word" documents as their
> standard.

Even so, I would expect the "ignorant committee" to not even
notice because Windows (by default) displays the Word icon to
represent an .rtf file and uses Word to open it.

> Never mind that some distant (and 1/2 forgotten) offices
> were relegated to Word 97 and the corporate offices all had the
> latest versions which blew the standard out of the water but at least
> "they" did their job by publishing a standard!

Indeed.

And this thread has gone way off topic.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 23:29:00 +, when MFPA wrote:

> I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
> to emails instead of using .rtf.

Because they think it is DEMANDED so. (-;

> Indeed, usually the text could just be pasted into the email
> body.;-)

That's why an *RTF* editor in a mail program is indescribably more
precious than an HTML one.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mic Cullen]

At 01:55 [GMT+] on Tuesday March 8 (actual time - 9:55am on Tuesday in
Perth, Western Australia), you wrote:

>> Because work DEMANDS that stuff be filed as Word doc attachments.

MFPA> Why? What can .doc do that .rtf can't (apart from harbour viruses,
MFPA> etc?)

'Why' isn't a relevant question. Work demands it, and that's the end of the
story, I'm afraid.

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Re: splitting msgs

[MFPA]

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Hi

On Tuesday 8 March 2005 at 1:05:57 AM, in
, Mic Cullen
wrote:

MFPA>> I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
MFPA>> to emails instead of using .rtf.

> Because work DEMANDS that stuff be filed as Word doc attachments.

Why? What can .doc do that .rtf can't (apart from harbour viruses,
etc?)

MFPA>> Indeed, usually the text could just be pasted into the email
MFPA>> body. 

> Not at all. It's much easier to edit when sent as a .doc attachment.

And no different when sent as a .rtf.

When the text is just a message, not requiring further editing
etc, there is no justification for attaching instead of pasting
in. Unless it is something for which the formatting is important,
like a poster, perhaps.

> PS - your sig delimiter isn't working.

Thanks for the tip-off.

Oddly, it works here if I open a reply to my message
 received via the list.
The one before "best regards" has an extra  added to
the front by PGP, so will only work after you have verified the
message using TB!'s built-in PGP function. Otherwise, the extra
cut mark placed after "-END PGP SIGNATURE-" comes into
play.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mic Cullen]

At 23:29 [GMT+] on Monday March 7 (actual time - 7:29am on Tuesday in Perth,
Western Australia), you wrote:

>> Then the DOC files...g...

MFPA> I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
MFPA> to emails instead of using .rtf.

Because work DEMANDS that stuff be filed as Word doc attachments.

MFPA> Indeed, usually the text could just be pasted into the email
MFPA> body. 

Not at all. It's much easier to edit when sent as a .doc attachment.

PS - your sig delimiter isn't working.

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Re: splitting msgs

[MFPA]

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Hi

On Monday 7 March 2005 at 9:50:51 PM, in
, Mica Mijatovic wrote:


> Then the DOC files...g...

I can never understand why people insist on attaching .doc files
to emails instead of using .rtf.

Indeed, usually the text could just be pasted into the email
body.;-)

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Re: splitting msgs

[Mica Mijatovic]

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 7 Mar 2005, 
   @  @  at 21:33:43 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

ASK>>> Some freemail providers still have a limit for messages sent thru
ASK>>> their servers. I think GMX has a limit of 5MB.

>> 5MB for a *mail*? I think that should be enough...

> I believe there's enough blockheads out there that try to send a bunch of
> .BMP files in one message... :-)

Oh yes, they are all alive and very well. Even if sending each BMP in
separate messages. Then the DOC files...g...

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Re: splitting msgs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thomas Fernandez & everyone else,

on 07-Mrz-2005 at 18:00 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:

ASK>> Some freemail providers still have a limit for messages sent thru their
ASK>> servers. I think GMX has a limit of 5MB.

> 5MB for a *mail*? I think that should be enough...

I believe there's enough blockheads out there that try to send a bunch of
.BMP files in one message... :-)

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Re: splitting msgs

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Alexander,

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:39:35 +0100 GMT (07/03/2005, 23:39 +0700 GMT),
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

ASK> Some freemail providers still have a limit for messages sent thru their
ASK> servers. I think GMX has a limit of 5MB.

5MB for a *mail*? I think that should be enough...

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Re: splitting msgs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Gerard & everyone else,

on 07-Mrz-2005 at 15:33 you (Gerard) wrote:

> It is a bit of a relic. It used to be done because there was a maximum size to
> an e-mail you could send. By setting the split option your msg would be split 
> is
> smaller chuncks.

> I believe it is still used on Usenet, but since TB! is no Usenet reader just
> forget about it.

Some freemail providers still have a limit for messages sent thru their
servers. I think GMX has a limit of 5MB.

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Re: splitting msgs

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, March 2, 2005, 2:04:51 AM, you wrote:
JR> Can someone explain the splitting message option, default is 100kb.

Hi Jan,

It is a bit of a relic. It used to be done because there was a maximum size to
an e-mail you could send. By setting the split option your msg would be split is
smaller chuncks.

I believe it is still used on Usenet, but since TB! is no Usenet reader just
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Re: splitting msgs

[MFPA]

Hi

On Wednesday 2 March 2005 at 6:40:02 PM, in
, Alexander S. Kunz
wrote:

> I've disabled message splitting

It must be disabled by default because I didn't even know it was
there and it is off for all my accounts. (What does it have to do
with Files & directories? I would think it was a transport issue.)

[...]

> the majority of "other" mail clients and mail users can't handle out there
> can't handle a splitted message. :-)

Outlook Express manages it sometimes. At least, if the message
came from another OE user. Don't know if it could do it with one
from TB! as I couldn't persuade TB! to split one :-)

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Re: splitting msgs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jan Rifkinson & everyone else,

on 02-Mrz-2005 at 02:04 you (Jan Rifkinson) wrote:

> So let's say I'm sending out a msg with 4 small photos within the msg
> as photo inserts in an html photo.

> In my case TB! split this msg into 4 msgs. How does TB! split up the
> msg, between photos or what?

I've never tried it with an html message. A message with a total size that
is larger than the split size will be split. Binaries (such as pictures)
will be encoded in a 7-bit transport form (either UU-Encode or Base64, the
latter being the MIME default IIRC). Due to the encoding in 7bit form, the
message size will increase by about 1/3 of the original size.

The individual parts can be glued together in a text editor (and thats the
part that will be done automatically by TB). As I said, I've never tried
with an html message, but with normal messages + binary attachments the
function is still a waste because TB does not restore the original message,
but will show you the two MIME parts (the text + the attachment) on
screen... you'd have to export the message and extract the Base64 encoded
attachment manually. I can not find a function in TB to do that
automatically. I don't see how this would work any better when the message
format is HTML.


> What settings do some of you use?

I've disabled message splitting because of the above problems, and because
the majority of "other" mail clients and mail users can't handle out there
can't handle a splitted message. :-)

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splitting msgs

[Jan Rifkinson]

Battyfolk,

Can someone explain the splitting message option, default is 100kb.

So let's say I'm sending out a msg with 4 small photos within the msg
as photo inserts in an html photo.

In my case TB! split this msg into 4 msgs. How does TB! split up the
msg, between photos or what?

What settings do some of you use?

Thanks.

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