New thread sorting: what's wrong with it? (repost from tbbeta)
Hello Tbudl, Maybe the beta list was the wrong place to post this in the first step, because it might not be a beta issue...so I try and repost it here. I have this problem: http://www.nachbild.de/temp/tb_new_thread_sorting.png I have this list sorted by creation date, with new thread sorting activated. As far as I understand it, that option sorts a thread into the list according to its newest item, right? As you can see from the screenshot the marked thread is clearly not sorted by its newest item, because that item is from 31.07., the item below is from 28.07. and the item above is from 30.07. Looks like the item used for sorting is the first item, from 29.07. Am I sitting on my brain, or what's going wrong there? Seems to me this already worked some versions ago, didn't it? -- Martin TB! 4.0.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is New Thread Sorting?
Well, the subject is my question. Under View-Message List Columns there is a checkbox for New Thread Sorting. What does this do? I have some folders which are threaded by reference. How does New Thread Sorting affect it? How does it affect non-threaded folders? Thanks in advance, Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ballgame at Yankee Stadium. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is New Thread Sorting?
Rick Friedman, [RF] wrote: Well, the subject is my question. Under View-Message List Columns there is a checkbox for New Thread Sorting. What does this do? I have some folders which are threaded by reference. How does New Thread Sorting affect it? It will sort the threads according to which threads contain the most recent messages. I sort in descending order of dates so the threads containing the most recent messages are grouped at the bottom of the list. How does it affect non-threaded folders? It doesn't. -- -=[ :Allie: ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.12 Beta/4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpp0xBAApHWE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thread sorting
Dan Perez wrote: Yes I see what you mean now. I have my threads sorted by Subject so my suggestion works that way, Do you mean you are *sorting* by Subject AND threading by subject? (I assume yes, as this would make the most sense). The only time I use a sort by subject is for reference folders where new messages are rarely added. If you have a lot of mail (many threads), and are sorting by subject, how do you follow topics of interest? How would you know when new posts are made to the threads you want to watch? Do you use color groups? but when I sort by Reference (What is reference anyways?) I can see that it does not work then. If you mean *thread* by reference, that refers to message ids. When you post new a message to TBUDL, there is a message ID associated with that. When I reply to your message, it will be connected to your post - regardless of what I make the subject line. Sometimes people will select a message in a mailing list, hit Reply and create a new post to the list that has nothing to do with the message they selected. Aside from being lazy, this is inconsiderate of those who thread by reference, because now you have a new topic attached to the message id of an irrelevant post. Threading by subject literally takes the subject line and groups messages that way. Because of the different implementations of showing a reply (RE) you can get mixed results. While threading by reference and threading by subject can often show similar results, they are acting on different things. The Bat (and many people) consider threading by Reference the standard. There are many people on this list that could probably do a much better job at explaining this. Maybe this is a bug? Well, I don't know. I may be misinterpreting how threading works, and how threads are sorted. It would be great if threads were sorted based on most recent post, but perhaps that's too much overhead (requiring a re-scan of all messages every time new mail arrives)? Then again, maybe it's supposed to work the way I want? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: thread sorting
Hello Ken, Saturday, January 31, 2004, 9:12:23 PM, you wrote: ... snip ... kg Do you mean you are *sorting* by Subject AND threading by subject? (I kg assume yes, as this would make the most sense). The only time I use a kg sort by subject is for reference folders where new messages are rarely kg added. Sorry, I definitely wasn't being very clear :( I have set View Threads by Subject and Sort by Received Time so anything new would bring its corresponding thread to the top of the list. But now I understand (thanks to your explanation of the Reference thingy) why some threads are broken. All in all, though, it seems to work okay for me to keep these settings by default. I haven't started using color groups yet (I am pretty new to the bat) but it should be a useful feature I think. Many thanks for the explanations :) -- Best regards, Dan Perez San Diego CA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
thread sorting
Is there a way to have threads sort by most recent activity? That is, if someone today posts to a thread started 6 months ago, that thread (if sorting by created date) would move to the most recent. Changing the older message begins a thread setting doesn't seem to have any effect. The reason I ask about this is that sometimes there is a thread I am watching, and it may not get a response for awhile. If it's an active mailing list with lots of threads, it's easy for that thread to move off screen. I was wondering if there was a method where the thread would show up as recent if a new post arrived. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thread sorting
Hello ken, Saturday, January 31, 2004, 2:45:55 PM, you wrote: kg Is there a way to have threads sort by most recent activity? That is, kg if someone today posts to a thread started 6 months ago, that thread (if kg sorting by created date) would move to the most recent. ... snip ... If you click on the Received column header this should accomplish what you want (it is how I have mine set as well) -- Best regards, Dan Perez San Diego CA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thread sorting
Dan Perez wrote: If you click on the Received column header this should accomplish what you want (it is how I have mine set as well) Nope, I don't think so. At least not for me - not if you are viewing threads by reference. For this list (TBUDL), two recent threads are: PC Mag Review Of The Bat! and Export of messages and address books The most recent post to the PC Mag thread has a created and received timestamp 6-7 minutes *after* the most recent post in the Export thread. This would lead one to believe that the PC Mag thread is more recent (updated most recently). But regardless of whether I sort on Created or Received, the Export thread sorts after the PC Mag thread (I have new messages at the bottom). Am I missing a setting or misinterpreting something? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: thread sorting
Hello ken, Saturday, January 31, 2004, 4:36:33 PM, you wrote: ... snip ... kg Nope, I don't think so. At least not for me - not if you are viewing kg threads by reference. For this list (TBUDL), two recent threads are: kg PC Mag Review Of The Bat! kg and kg Export of messages and address books kg The most recent post to the PC Mag thread has a created and received kg timestamp 6-7 minutes *after* the most recent post in the Export thread. kg This would lead one to believe that the PC Mag thread is more recent kg (updated most recently). ... snip ... Yes I see what you mean now. I have my threads sorted by Subject so my suggestion works that way, but when I sort by Reference (What is reference anyways?) I can see that it does not work then. Maybe this is a bug? -- Best regards, Dan Perez San Diego CA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
