Re: img src......

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi,

> just wondering, how long time will take for us, to make RitLabs add
> support for "img src" from external website in html messages.
...
> I'm sure, if
> everyone from us will ask them to do this, they will.

I hope they will not, and I ask them not to bloat TB
with such senseless stuff.

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Re[3]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Claudius,

...
> I don't think any other expression is more exact -- is simply fascistic.

Please stop this now IMMEDIATELY - enough is enough.

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Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Nick,

...
> However, what about us that are not comfortable with
> some of the Unix style editors you mention. I'm not sure of the terminology,
> but what I'm getting at is... what "good" editor do you know of that will
> have a decent GUI to make it easy for us less technical people to use?

I'm a long time user of KEDIT: http://www.kedit.com/

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Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list

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Hi Steve,

SL> Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 10:40:09 AM, Marck wrote:
>> Of course the external editor option looks more attractive all the time.

SL> OF course it does.

IMO the term 'external editor' is a little misleading.
It is possible to integrate such a component written
by another company quite smoothly, as Acrobat shows
with its reader. If the editor is provided e.g. as a
DLL, it could appear as integral part of TB.

That's the way I would like to see it.

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Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work

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Hi Tom,

TP> In this vein, can anyone tell me where the startup sequence for the
TP> webbrowser is stored so I can have it call IE differently?

in windows explorer: View | folder options | HTML Document

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Re: IP Question Not related to Bat

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Hi,

...
TC> Is there a way online to look up a IP address?

Sam Spade: http://samspade.org/classic/

TC> This one was
TC> 171.226.93.102

ABE25D66.ipt.aol.com

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Re: PGP Bug?

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Hi Sebastian,

SA> I am using The BAT since version 1.38e. I installed PGP support (6.5)
SA> and am happy with it. There is just something that keeps bothering me,
SA> and it happens every time I decrypt an encrypted message (it contains
SA> the sender's public key at the end). The program keeps asking me if I
SA> want to import the keyset. Well, the first time I thought that would
SA> be okay, but it does that EVERY time I am decrypting a mail. What's
SA> that all about? Does anyone have the same problem? What's the
SA> solution?

The solution is not to put your PGP key in every message.
That's an absolutely annoying overhead. Put it on your
home page and add the URL to your signature.

And please add an signature separator "-- " ()
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Re[2]: Submission forms

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Hi,

...
J>  I imported the PGP-key and added the forms. Now this may sound stupid, but
J>  I  still  have no idea how to use them. I see them in the submission forms
J>  menu window, but all I can do with them is delete them from there again...
J>  Am I doing something wrong?

from a mail to this list I wrote in January 1999:

Example: you want to provide the service "wish list".
So we declare you the server ;-)

The server has to write a form, put it in a TB mail and sign it
with PGP. He then sends this mail containing the signed form to
all clients (all those subscribers of this list willing to add
to your wish list).

Each client has to fire up TB, receive this mail, check the
digital signature (using your PGP key) and then store the
form in a file with a .TBC extension, e.g. TBWISH.TBC.
The client now adds this form to his list of submission forms.
(This is where we do not succeed, so the following is
 what I think how it should work)

Now the client (e.g. me) wants to send you an entry for the
wish list. To do that I start TB and "call" your form
TBWISH.TBC. TB presents me an input window (formatted according
to your form specification) to enter my wishes and, when I press
OK, sends my input to you in a special formatted mail signed
with my PGP key.

You, the server, receive this mail, verify my digital signature
and handle the data. Because the data was automatically
formatted by the client's (my) TB, you can easily write a
program
to process the data (i.e. add my wishes to the wish list).

Because PGP was used
- I knew that this form really comes from you and not for
example
  from MS trying to steel our good ideas ;-)
- you know that the wish real was from me and can send me the
  donation for my great ideas :-)

Does this make things clearer? Now we only have to make it work
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Re[2]: PGP Bug?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi,

WK> And please add an signature separator "-- " ()
WK> to your TBUDL template.

Oh no, sorry, that should read 
of course :-(

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Re[3]: Why do I use The Bat?

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Hi,

...
GCS> Support for all of the PGP options.  Eudora used to support these
GCS> (Eudora Lite still does, AFAIK, although Eudora Pro has been "broken"
GCS> for several versions now).

And Eudora Pro with PGP support was not sold outside the US
when I was looking for a new mailer in 98.
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Re: ЫЫЫЫЫЫv1.41

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Hi phil,

p> and why does a three line tagline bother you?

Because we can not read it. Please use an encoding that is
appropriate for an international mailing list.
And please add a signature delimiter "-- " (
) befor your signature. Thank you.

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Re: Anybody else notice?

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Leif,

LG> That Phil guy is a strange character.
...
LG> Reverse line:
LG> Bad Phil

He acts like a defiant child. Lets close this thread.

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Re[4]: Problem sending/receiving large attachemnts...

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Mark,

MRH> If I want to submit this 'bug' to RITLABS as 'cid' suggested then is
MRH> there a standard mechanism for this?  I ask because I am new to this
MRH> arena and don't see any info. on bug-posting on the official web-site
MRH> or FAQ pages.

Help | Feedback | Bug report   ;-)

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Re[2]: Kill filter question

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Hi Dieter,

>> Next   question:   what's  the  difference  between  "originator"  and
>> "sender"?

DH> Hey, the originator of a message must not necessarily be the sender...
DH> In the case of our vampire I guess it means the same.

Hm. My thought was that maybe "originator" is the envelope-from.
Otherwise the usage of different words for the same thing is
not very nice und should be changed.

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Re: Kill filter question

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Hi Gary,

G>   Am I to understand that if I set up a kill filter, it will prohibit
G>   whenever I set up as the filter from downloading into The Bat!?

Yes, only some headers are downloaded in this case.

G> So
G>   the purpose of the kill filter is to kill it before you see it.

Yes.

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Re[5]: The Bat! and Big files

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Hi Oliver,

...
OS> Anyway,  my  original  problem  is still there... If I have a file of,
OS> say,  6mb  of  size,  which will encode to around 8mb when attached to
OS> email,  why  does  transfering  those 8mb via TB take much longer than
OS> transfering another file of 8mb original size via ftp?

Because your SMTP server does not provide the same bandwidth
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Re[3]: Kill filter question

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Hi Gary,

...
G> Thanks Wolfgang for your response, I appreciate it. Taking this one
G> step further, any other filter I set up other than the kill filter
G> will go automatically to the file that I designate. I can set up a
G> regular filter to go to the trash automatically. So the difference
G> between a kill filter and the regular filter going to the trash would
G> be that with the kill filter I would not see it,

right.

G> save for a few headers,

the rest of the headers and. more important, the body of the
message.

G> and the regular filter would be received and going to the
G> trash (if I set it up that way).

Yes. But: using kill filters might be slower than downloading
all messages and throw away some of them.
The reason is that, if at least one kill filter is active,
TB has to contact the POP server twice for each message:
- retrieve the standard headers (1)
- check the kill criteria and either
  - delete the message on the server (2a) or
  - retreive the message (2b)
It depends on your POP server which way is faster.
With my server, kill filters do not pay, because I do
not get a lot of large mails to be killed.

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Re[2]: Kill filter question

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Hi Tom,

...
TP> Umm, I would imagine that all headers would have to be downloaded for
TP> them to be examined with the filters...  Maybe I'm crazy, but as far
TP> as I understand POP3, you don't really get that much information...

Hmmm, maybe I mix this up with the XOVER command of the NNTP
protocol.
*But*: if all headers are downloaded - why does TB only offer
to filter on originator/subject/routing?

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Re[7]: The Bat! and Big files

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Hi Oliver,

...
OS> Hm.  Never  heard  of  that,  I  must  say.  I'm  using  a 64kbit ISDN
OS> connection,  shouldn't  any  server  at the provider be able to handle
OS> that little data?

In my experience: no.

To check this, you can use the systen monitor of windows.
You may have to install it, as it seems not to be there
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Re[2]: Kill filter question

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Hi Steve,

>> *But*: if all headers are downloaded - why does TB only offer
>> to filter on originator/subject/routing?

SL> For the same reason that TB! offers only to filter
SL> on "sender",
SL> "receiver", "subject", "kludges", "body" and "anywhere".  ;)

Next question: what's the difference between "originator"
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Re: More on filters

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Hi Roy,

...
RM> - but are kill
RM> filters that are killing 'on the server' the slowest?

AFAIK yes. The reason is that TB has to contact the server
twice per messages if at least one kill filter exists:
1. get headers
2. get message
If your mail server is slow (as mine is) it is a lot faster
to download all mails and filter locally. Of course this
might be different if you are regularly receiving large
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Re[2]: Sending Mail with GMX SMTP server

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Hi,

EH> GMX have that stupid policy that first you have to download mail and
EH> only then they let you upload. The server replies with "Please log in
EH> first".

A very good method against spammers.

EH> It's really annoying but they haven't even bothered to reply to a
EH> respective request of mine.

Right they are.

...
EH> GMX is down most of the
EH> time anyway, and they are painfully slow.

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Re: pop.gmx.de: cannot access pop server more than once in one session

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Hi Uwe,

...
UB> The POP server for my account is pop.gmx.de.  After starting The Bat!
UB> I can retrieve e-mail from the POP server only once.  All susequent
UB> attempts to retrieve my e-mail result in a

UB> FETCH - Could not connect to the server

Hmmm, strange. No problems with pop.gmx.de here.

What do you use as user id ('Benutzername'), your email
address or your customer number?

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Re[2]: Signing of Messages (Was: Re: List server rules)

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Hi Johannes,

JMP> Oh come on! What do you use? ISDN? In times of flatrates at 80 DM, I
JMP> can only laugh at discussions 'bout "your .sig is longer than 4 lines"
JMP> and "2k vs 6k".

So you are a very privileged person. I consider your argument
arrogant and unpolite to those readers here, who are not as
privileged as you are (and I am) considered internet access costs.

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Re[2]: OT? S/MIME & PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Thomas,

...
JD>> I do not think it is necessary to decrease our security to
JD>> accommodate the minority of users who have a very low bandwidth
JD>> connection.

TF> Hear, hear. I want to know what others say to this: Is this mailing
TF> list only for high-bandwidth privileged users?

Clearly NO.

I support your opinion regarding S/MIME and other
bandwidth-wasting stuff. Personally I do have a reasonable
fast connection (ISDN), but I consider it unpolite to
blow up mails to this list with unneccessary stuff.

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Re[3]: Orange folders color

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Hi,

...
C> "Read" is a post you've opened at least the time you've defined to
C> change it from "unread" to "read". No change.

C> "Seen" is a post you have not read, but which is in a folder you've
C> opened at least the time you would define, if my wish is agreed. This
C> means that you know this post is here, but you want to read it later.

C> "New" is a post which is in a folder you've not opened since this post
C> has been downloaded. (May be the definition for "session"?)

C> The colors would work like that:
C> 1- If there is at least a "new" post in the folder: red. end.
C> 2- If there is at least a "seen" post in the folder: orange. end.
C> 3- brown. end.

That seems to make sense. I support this proposal.

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Re: Templates - Print?

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Hi Nick,

ND> I think I recall a reference somewhere along the line of a "print"
ND> template.  I'm assuming it's a template for what info gets printed in
ND> a print command.  My question is... where is the setup for this (if it
ND> indeed exists)?

Message | print setup


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Re: Printing Headers

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Hi Ian,

IG> I've tried with kludges on and off, and with the RFC 822 headers on
IG> and off, but while I can see them, I can't print a complete set of
IG> message headers. Is this a bug or am I doing something stupid?

AFAIK you will have to save the message to a file and print
this file.

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Re: Site with links

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Hi \\'alter,

>   Is there a site or are there any sites on which you can find lots of
>   tricks  and  interesting stuff about The Bat! Except its homepage at
>   ritlabs?
  
see my TB links on
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Installing HP printers (Was: Re[2]: OT: Computer Philosophy)

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Hi,

...
PF> The source of the printing
PF> problems, however, probably originates with the office suite, Corel.
PF> WordPerfect and HP printers have a long history of not getting along
PF> real well, although I've found that HP printers, especially their
PF> drivers, are not what they used to be.

In my experience, it's VERY important to install HP printers via
the HP setup program and NOT via the control panel. The later
did not work for me, although there were no error messages.

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Problem with TB on Win98

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi, 

just installed TB on a new PC under Win98/2.
On startup error msg 'Out of system resources' is displayed.
Only the outer window is displayed, no folder pane etc.

I doubt that it is really a TB problem, because two
other programs show similar symptoms. On the other side, 
more than a dozen other programs run without problems.

Any hints? 

Regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: Re[5]: 1.36 install once more...

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hello Adam,

At 17:45 13.11.99 +0100, you wrote:

>i give up, i`m waiting for 1.37 official...
>and someone send me the "correct" file... I don`t have to say what
>happend... "application corrupted! terminating"

So it's most probably not a damaged file. My guess it
that there is a virus on your pc. Did you already 
check that?

>ok, here`s the question: when is there`s going to be 1.37 official?

I'm afraid this will not solve your problem.

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Re: Problem with TB on Win98

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Hi tracer, 
>
>Wolfgang> just installed TB on a new PC under Win98/2.
>Wolfgang> On startup error msg 'Out of system resources' is displayed.
>Wolfgang> Only the outer window is displayed, no folder pane etc.
>
>Wolfgang> I doubt that it is really a TB problem, because two
>Wolfgang> other programs show similar symptoms. On the other side, 
>Wolfgang> more than a dozen other programs run without problems.

>whats in the system qua hardware/software?

Hardware: Pentium III 500 Mhz, 128MB, 2 SCSI disks 
Software: aktive are only the task planer and the windows
  resource meter (which shows >90% free)

>eudora light is now 5 mb??

yes :-(

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Re[3]: Problem with TB on Win98

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Hi tracer,

...
Wolfgang>> Hardware: Pentium III 500 Mhz, 128MB, 2 SCSI disks 
Wolfgang>> Software: aktive are only the task planer and the windows
Wolfgang>>   resource meter (which shows >90% free)
t> I would suspect windows as under these circumstances you should have
t> more then you need.
t> if you have a spare drive, stick a clean windows on it and see...
t> Or deactivate boot scsi drive and install to that other one if you have
t> spare space on it,,,

While having a shower this morning I decided that it is the
graphics card driver. I'll test that on sunday (don't have
access to my new pc before that :-( ).

BTW, the shower is an excellent place to solve computing
problems ;-)

t> One question though, you run 98 v2, is that the USA or German version.
t> I had serious problems with a system where the german v2 plainly
t> refused to run properly on one of the computers we had. Customer in
t> the end had to settle for the USA windows...

German version. But TB runs un this Windows version on a quite
old PC with a Pentium 66 Mhz.

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Re[5]: Problem with TB on Win98

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi tracer,

...
Wolfgang>> While having a shower this morning I decided that it is the
Wolfgang>> graphics card driver. I'll test that on sunday (don't have
Wolfgang>> access to my new pc before that :-( ).

t> wouldnt you need another test video card???

The first attempt will be to use the standard VGA or Super VGA
driver. Then we'll see what happens. My guess is that this
will solve the problem.

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Re[7]: Moving from one PC to another

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Hi Soth,

...
S> I was wondering what you all thought about the ability to add
S> sub-folders to the sorting filters?  Their use would be primarily for
S> grouping related filters together... of course, this would tend to
S> lending the ability to disable and enable groups of filters.

Not a bad idea. But I give much higher priority to the proposal
to have an import/export facility for filters, which uses a
plain text file format.

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Re[4]: Registration Question

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Hi Mary,

> X-Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

your return address bounces, so I have to write you
through the list :-(

MS> UNSUBSCRIBE

Each and every mail in this list contains the instructions
how to unscubscribe:

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Simply do so.

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Re: keyboard or software

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Bernhard,

At 10:27 19.11.99 +0100, you wrote:
>The situation: I want to answer to a message and try to delete passages I
don't
>want to refer to; I use the mouse to mark the text, then I press the
del-button
>(in German ): nothing happens.

There are two 'Entf' on my keyboard: one in the numeric
keypad and one below the 'Einfg'. The first one does not 
work here if 'shift lock' is active.
Which one do you use?

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Re: Indicating source folders in search window

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Vlad,

V> When implementing a search (F7), TB! indicates currently
V> searching folders in the status line. But after the search
V> is finished it is impossible to see where a found message is
V> located.

Rearrange the colums so that you can see the 'folder' column.

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Re: Attachment folder

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Hi Pasquale,

PJFS>   Why  can't  I  see  the  attachment  folder in the bat, but I see it
PJFS> listed in windows explorer?

Because it isn't a mail folder. TB maps its mail folders to
windows folders, so you can see them in TB as well as in Windows
explorer. The attachment folder is a windows folder only
as it contains files, not messages.

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Re: Idiot Mode

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi all,

...
TF> Ctrl+Shift+Alt+/ (toggle idiot mode on/off) will take "Folder" off the
TF> menu in the main screen, and some of the choices out of Account/...

did somebody already find out what to use on a german keyboard
for this nice function?

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Re: HELP

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Mark,

MB>How  does the Kill Dupes work? Does it simply delete any email that
MB>has the same subject?

I guess it looks for the message ids.

MB>Also  for  GOD'S  SAKE! Why wont bat filter my messages properly? I
MB>have  tried  every  setting and it catches some of the mail but not
MB>all  of  the  mail.  Then  the mail that slips trough I make a rule
MB>specific to it and the others slip through. Very SICKENING!

I feel with you ;-) but to help you we need some more
information.

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Re[3]: Indicating source folders in search window

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Vlad,

...
V> Since there is no messages concerning editing incoming
V> messages, it is still impossible to edit a message without
V> changing its creation date/time, isn't it?

AFAIK yes, and I think thats ok. One should not be able
to manipulate a mail in this way. Consider it as a kind
of document.

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The Bat! - bug report

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hello The Bat! developers,

  I'm using The Bat! Version 1.38 Beta/3
  under Windows 98 4.10 Build A
  and would like to report a bug

  The bug description:
  
Printing on an Epson stylus color 760 does not work
under TB. The Epson control panel pops up and
disappears immediately. If its of any interest:
the printer is connected via USB.
Other application print well.

  Steps to reproduce the bug:

click on the print button ;-)

Questions to TBUDL:
- any tips on how to proceed or find a workaround?
- how do I print to an USB printer in a DOS box?

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Re: Network Problems

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Hi Mike,

> I could use some help.

Indeed :-) You are sending the HAPPY99.EXE virus with every
mail. Please clean up your pc before sending other mails.

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Re: Forced CR/LF (was: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.)

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Hi Peter,

MDP>> It's  good but comes with its' own problems. Every reference to such a
MDP>> %QINCLUDE  macro  in a template has the added burden of a forced CR/LF
MDP>> in  the  text  wherever one is used. I have noticed this with %INCLUDE
MDP>> macros recently too. They didn't used to do that.

MDP>> Is this, in fact, a bug?

PH> The same is true for %CLEAR which should not insert a cr/lf pair in
PH> the message, IMO.

It does not include one, it simply leaves the one you typed
after it as is.

Maybe the wish could be "if a macro is immediately followed
by cr/lf, TB should delete this cr/lf pair."
But I guess this will result in problems in other cases.

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Re[3]: Solution to %DATE and %TIME macro problem.

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Hi tracer,

...
> This kind of capability needs either  many pages with examples or an
> extra support to deal with all the questions and 1 may not be enough!

or it needs TBREG ;-)

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Re[3]: Import - Export

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Travisimo!,

T> Must be, thanks for trying it.  The version I'm using simply shows
T> "Version 1.38" in the About window.  What are the differences between
T> 1.38 and 1.38e?

God, Stefan and Max know :-)

T> I've seen others talk about the 1.38e but I don't see
T> it on the website nor do I see a revision history.  Also, how do I
T> install 1.38e without messing everything up in my current setup (mail,
T> address book, etc)?

Just call the distributed exe. It will start the installer
and guide you through the installation/update process.
I never had any problem installing over an older version.

Nevertheless, a backup is always a good idea before
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Re[3]: Fonts Available with Editor ??

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Oliver,

...
> I already stated I would. But the problem I see is not me staying with
> fixed-width fonts, but many others not doing so.

You do not know *which* variable font they used - so you will
never be able to see the message exactly as it looked for them.

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Re[3]: "Bind attachments only while sending out email" option?

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Hi Carsten,

JT>> If  "Bind  attachments only while sending out email" option is on,
JT>> then  TB  will wait to start the actual encoding of the attachment
JT>> into  your  email  for when you send the message.
...

CD> Cool, thanks! ;]

IMHO that's a quite dangerous feature. If you attach a file
and change it later, the *changed* version will be sent,
not the one that exists at the time when you attached it.

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Re[2]: RITLABS interview almost...

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Steve,

...
> Given those reasons I fail to see why anyone would want MDI.

I often have more than 20 windows active inside Opera, and
they are easy to work with. Try to do that using IE/NS and
the task bar. For me, it's annoying.

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Re[2]: Delete confirmation

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Hi,

>> AFAIK, there's no way of disabling this confirmation dialog.

JMP> [X] Wishlist :(

[X] Help | feedback  ;-)

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Re[2]: Signing of Messages (Was: Re: List server rules)

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Johannes,

>> So you are a very privileged person. I consider your argument
>> arrogant and unpolite to those readers here, who are not as
>> privileged as you are (and I am) considered internet access costs.

JMP> What?! *Priviledged*? I know that in roughly 70% of countries you have
JMP> somewhat digital access to the phone network (yes, as well so called
JMP> third world countries like in south america and so on!).

So you insist in beeing unpolite to the remaining 30% ?

I'm afraid you didn't understand my point: we are privileged
*because* we do have a quick and very cheap internet access.
Rest assured that we do have a lot of subscribers on this list
which do not have this luck.

This has always been a list for people all over the world,
and we moderators will enforce that it stays this way.

JMP> PS: Mal im Ernst?! Bei ISDN-GG 50 Mücken und Flat 80, sonst IbC bei
JMP> nichtmalmehr 2 Pfg/min, wer soll da privilegiert sein?!! Das ist doch
JMP> nicht dein Ernst?!

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Re: Why not a Newsgroup or and WWW-forum?

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Hi,

...
> My question is, why don´t we create a newsgroup

news:de.comm.software.mailreader.misc exists.

But you will see that this list is fare more useful.

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Re: Auto-responder

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Hi Cameleon,

C> How  (I  guess that's possible) can I make TheBat automatically send a
C> message  (using a template but not an external file), when I receive a
C> mail  on  a  particular account, with a particular subject, or sender,
C> etc ? I didn't find anything like that in the Filters.

Go to the actions tab and scoll down to 'Send Auto-Reply'.

Hey, that one was easy - next question please :-)

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Re: Lost Folders (was: Re: "HELP!!...)

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Hi Thomas,

TF> Never thought of that. This means that "thebat.exe" (the full
TF> installation) and "thebat.exe" (the actual program, the executable,
TF> The Bat!, the application, ...) should have different names.

TF> I certainly agree with this. For example, "thebat.exe" could be called
TF> "batinst.exe", whereas "thebat.exe" could keep the name "thebat.exe".

That's why I always put the version in the file name when I
download a new version.

BTW, somebody interested in the_bat11.exe from nov-98? :-)

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Epilepsy and computer programs

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Hi all,

the mail quoted below was sent to the list managers by a list member
who, for obvious reasons, does not want to mail it to the list
under his name. Because I feel that the information might be of
great interest for others I'm sending the info now, of course
with permission of the author.

If you want to contact the original author pls. sent me a short
note and I will pass on your email address to him.

[begin quote]
I am leaving TBBETA because I am no longer using the Beta version
of TB, and whilst I still use TB as a solid PGP e-mailer, I have
gone over to another program for most of my e-mailing.

The reason for this is simply I do not get on with The Bat, and I
cannot compete with others in technical competence in TBBETA list.

This may surprise you and I mention this only by the way, as the
effect I experience using TB is a "me specific" thing.  I have
suffered with various forms of epilepsy all my life (now 53 years!)
and because of my condition I often feel "uncomfortable" with
certain things (flashing lights, disco lights, flashing neon
tubes.etc.,etc.and some computer programs).  I do not
suffer from photosensitive epilepsy, such as those who watch TV
or video games and experience seizures, however.  As a result, I
was recently visited at home by a research team who wanted to get
a range of test results on somebody who had epilepsy but not
photosensitive epilepsy, and I was given an encephalograph (EEG)
to test and record the minute levels of electrical activity in my
brain. Very little brain activity of a seizure type was recorded
whilst I watched TV, played on a Nintendo 64, or used my computer.

However, when I fired up The Bat, the electrical activity
increased remarkably (but still below the "noticeable" level,
just enough to make me feel uncomfortable).  The same was true of
Word 2000, and Lotus 123.

This added brain activity could be increased to the point at
which I had a seizure and I have subsequently removed both Word
and Lotus 123 from my computer, though The Bat has a lot to offer
and I am loathe to discard it (especially as I've registered it).

The lowest additional activity was recorded using the Calypso 3.1
mail program, so I tend to use that, plus Becky 2.  as I said,
this is a "me specific" thing, caused by a medical condition over
which I have no control and probably would affect nobody else in
the same way, even a fellow sufferer of "the falling sickness" 
(as Shakespeare once described it, in "Julius Caesar").

So I am giving up using The Bat as one of my main e-mail programs
but I am still interested in the discussions on TBUDL.  Should
anybody else that you know want to know something about epilepsy
and computers, or if anybody out there is just interested, I
should be pleased to receive their e-mails.

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Re[4]: Epilepsy and computer programs

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Hi all,

> I see an ad. campaign coming shortly...

>   The Bat! - activates parts of the brain other email clients cannot
>   reach.

I don't think that this is a theme to make jokes about.

Please discuss this seriously - thank you.

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Epson Stylus Color 760

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Hi all,

according to another owner of an Epson Stylus Color 760 printing
from TB works fine if one uses the driver for the stylus color 900.

I cannot check this myself for the moment, but progress reports
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Re: Im Disgusted in the Bat and the Developers

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...
TC> My mouse now acts strangely when the Bat is running in the background,
TC> along with freezups when I try to delete messages in folders.

Did you install/upgrade a virus scanner lately? I had a similar
effect when I installed a new McAfee version some months ago.
Switching to DrWeb solved the problem ;-)

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Re: Message Size?

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Hi Martian,

MK> I seem to be having a message
MK> size limit problem.  I can send messages less then 1K size, but
MK> not larger (somewhere betweeen 1K and 1.5K).  Any ideas why that
MK> might be?  I have a registered copy (the $35 version).  Messages
MK> larger than 1K seem to send the first part then stop sending data,
MK> after a few moments (maybe a min or so), I get a message back from
MK> the server saying there was an error, but it doesn't say what the
MK> error was.

Interesting to hear. I have the same problem when using the
companies exchange server. What server do you use?

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Re: Wishlist: Search expansion

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Hi Karin,

...
KS> 1. In a new edition of TB's search facility, could we
KS>have extra information detailing the whereabouts of
KS>found messages (describing the mail folder in which
KS>they are located)?
KS>Often you'd like to know *where* it was found.

Right click on any of the result column headers and enjoy ;-)

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Re[3]: TB! v1.49 - GMX mail servers

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Hi Jan,

...
JR>   Result: I can rcv mail but I can't send mail.

AFAIK gmx does not allow you to use a FROM (and REPLYTO?) address
other then the one you are logged in under.
E.g., the one and only FROM I can use under this gmx account
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Re[5]: TB! v1.49 - GMX mail servers

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Hi Jan,

JR> Hello Wolfgang, Thanks for this tip

So your problem is solved?

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Re[7]: TB! v1.49 - GMX mail servers

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Hi Jan,

JR>   Nope. Unfortunately I can't say this.  Any further thoughts would be
JR>   welcomed. TIA

Ok, next try ;-)

The gmx "user name" is your complete email address,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] in my case, not only "Wolfgang.Kynast".

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Re: Moving Folders

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Hi Ben,

BP> I would like to move some folders into another folder, making them sub
BP> folders.

BP> If I can do this, can someone show me the way please?

Press  and  and move with the mouse.

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Re[3]: I just want the filters to work

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Hi Pasquale,

...
PJFS> This is how I had it, but than some mail from list participants did
PJFS> not get filtered to the bat folder, so I also added the string to
PJFS> kludges, and recipients and ticked yes for each.

Would it be possible for you to produce a screenshot of the
not-working filter, put it on a web site and give us the
URL here?

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Re[3]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi Dave,

ACM>> One menu structure is more secure than the other in that the configuration
ACM>> menu options aren't present. So in a multi-user environment it may be
ACM>> useful.

DG> Ahhh, that makes sense now!  Thanks for the reply!

Some unpolite guys called it 'idiots mode' in the past ;-)

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Re[3]: I just want the filters to work

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Hi Pasquale,

first: please do not fullquote.

...
> Well as in the tortoise and the hare I will eventually get across the
> finish line.

There is a nice tutorial about filtering on
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/filtering.html

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Re: V1.49

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Hi,

> Since I upgraded to 1.49 (from 1.44), I find that the functioning of
> TheBat is much slower.  Clicking on Account > Filter or the New
> Message icon takes much longer than it use to in 1.44.

> Is that the case with everyone?  Or it is just my system?

No problems here. Check the following:

- any database files set to readonly (restored from a backup?)
- do you regularly compress your folders?
- do you regularly defrag your harddisk?

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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi,

>> i need som
>> assistance from Swedes in the group, where could the key be on the
>> Swedish keyboard which on an american keyboard gives a slash sign?

KS> The / key is above the 7: press Shift-7.

I'm afraid this won't work because you have to press
ctrl-shift-alt and the key we are looking for simultanously :-)

On german keyboards it's ctrl-shift-alt-# - maybe this helps.

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Re[3]: V1.49

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Hi Lija,

L> PMFJI, you mean after restoring from a backup, all message files on the disk
L> have read-only attribute?

Yes, if the backup was to a CD. Don't know how this is handled on
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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi Dierk,

>> On german keyboards it's ctrl-shift-alt-# - maybe this helps.

This should have been Strg-shift-alt-# of course :-)

DH>  How about the numerical pad (just above the 8, the division sign)?

The key alone brings up quick search here, together with
crtl-shift-alt nothing happens.

Marck: what about adding this topic to the FAQ, together with a
list of the country specific codes?

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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi Östen,

...
ÖH> Is this a new feature in 1.49?

No, it is there for a long time.

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Re: Move msg to another Account?

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Hi Tim,

TM>   Is it possible to have a Rule move a message to another
TM>   account/folder without sending

Yes.

Dumb question: why didn't you simply try it?

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Re[2]: Help! where have all my menus gone?

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Hi Marck,

...
MDP> Where  should  I  get  that list from? If you could all shower me with
MDP> your regional version of Ctrl-Alt-Shift-/ then I will make up the list
MDP> here and an FAQ entry.

Ok, here we go:

keyboard layout   toggle 'simple menus'
---   -
US/UK ctrl-shift-alt-L
Germany   strg-shift-alt-#
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Re[3]: Move msg to another Account?

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Hi Gerry,

WK>> Dumb question: why didn't you simply try it?

GD> I hope you were just joking around when you said that.  We all would
GD> like people to try things and read the "manual" so to speak before
GD> asking a question, but, stating that a person had a dumb question is,
GD> IMHO, not a good thing to do, especially for a moderator.

GD> I apologize in advance if I misunderstood your meaning.

Sorry for my weak english: I wanted to qualify *my* question
as dumb. It was a translation from german, word by word, which
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Re[2]: Move msg to another Account?

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Hi Mike,

...
MY> Since so many list members aren't native English speakers, we
MY> shouldn't be overly sensitive to grammar errors, misspellings or
MY> mangled idioms.

Thank you and all the others for your understanding. Rest assured
that I will try to be much more careful with such things in the
future.

In this particular case I was very amazed (translated
'verbluefft' correctly? ) that someone asks a question here when
it's a lot faster (three mouseclicks) to check it out.

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Re[2]: Move msg to another Account?

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Hi Thomas,

T> amazed = ERSTAUNT;  STUTZIG
T> verblüfft = PERPLEXED;  STAGGERED;  NONPLUSED;  BLANK;  BEWILDERED

Funny, Langenscheidt gave me 'amazed' for 'verblüfft'.

T> From: www.yourdictionary.com

T> Also see:
T> 
http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/dictsrch_aff.asp?query=amazed&src=BP&srcbox=18&go=Translate&trg=CK

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Re: Latest Bat! version?

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Hi John,

JP> I notice some messages on this group sign off with "Using The Bat!
JP> 1.49 c (or 1.49e)".

1.49c is a beta version available from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

1.49e is YAB (yet another beta) that by mistake slipped on some
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Re[2]: Latest Bat! version?

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Hi all,

JR>>   What is the address for the Ritlabs ftp directory? Thanks.

ST> ftp.ritlabs.com with releases in /pub/the_bat and betas in
ST> /pub/the_bat/beta

Let me take this opportunity and repeat a mail here that I
wrote yesterday on TBBETA:

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...
> It's the friendly thing to do ;-).

Let me pick this good point up and try to clarify my viewpoint
of this 'new beta' issue:

New betas are announced by Ritlabs on http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
As far as I can remember, the existence of the ftp server has never
been officially announced by Ritlabs.

Therefore, for me a new beta exists *only*, if it is mentioned
on the beta download page. BTW, *if* it is mentioned there we
should expect an announcement from Ritlabs within a reasonable
time listing the changes.

For me lurking at the ftp directory for new files is unfriendly
against our valued manufacturer. In addition, I consider it
unfriendly to accuse them for not providing an announcement
in this case: why should they - it was not designated to the
public.

One might argue that they should put such versions intended
for special testers only into a protected area on the ftp server.
That's a valid point. But we should always keep in mind that
Ritlabs is a very small company and I prefer to let them
develop - not waste their time with administrative things like
protecting directories and maintaining and distributing passwords.

Not everything that is technically possible is ok to do.
Do you go into your neighbors house and do self-service in his
kitchen - just because he did not lock up the door?

We had a lot of unnecessary trouble in the past regarding new
betas. Remember these periodical "there is a new beta, but it
doesn't run" messages - caused by downloads when the upload
was not finished? Remember all these "what is new in this
version" mails - when Ritlabs did not intend to release that
particular version to the public?

To return to the 'friendly thing': I would like to appeal to
everybody to be friendly to our friends at Ritlabs - look for
news versions at the beta download page, not at the ftp server.


Of course this was a private note, not a moderator comment ;-)

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Re[2]: folder contents lost - please help...

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>> Big one. At 1.42 the mailbox file format changed and the file
>> extension were also changed at the same time. You can use the Tools ..
>> Import to import from the old .MSB format files.

>> HTH.

rxn> Thank you also for pointing out that import feature. However, if I'm
rxn> to manually import all .msb files from all my folders, I will be very
rxn> dissapointed. I have over 60 of them, and the clicking would take me
rxn> too much time.

IMHO you could install 1.42, which should do the conversion
automatically, and then update to the current version.

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Re[2]: PGP 7.0.3

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...
DH> And, BTW, as long as the code has not been published and scrutinised
DH> by different independent people I would not use it for fear of bugs
DH> and security holes (remember 5.53 and later, concerning ADK).

Ack.

DH> A lot of folks still use DOS-based 2.6.3 versions of PGP and will not
DH> accept DH/DSS keys or RSA beyond a certain size.

I'm still using 6.0.2i. Any arguments why I should upgrade?

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Re[3]: Importing Outlook Contacts

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Peter,

[moderator's note]

Please do not overquote. It's seldom useful to quote the
whole message you are replying to, and it's almost never
necessary to quote a PGP signature.

Thank you.

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Hi Deniz,

...
DB> I just want 1 window to open as it is since 1.47
DB> This may be a bug or at least a forgotten issue.

I still do not understand why this is such a problem for you.
The pop-window comes up and disappears shortly after - so what?

If I think about it: the new approach looks quite useful to me.
It allows you to easily see whether there is a problem with
the pop server or the smtp server.

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Hi Lija,

L> I started to collect TB logo pictures. The reason: maybe I'll make some site and
L> put them there. :)

You should be aware that this might be a copyright infringement.

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Hi Lija,

...
L> What is RETR1&2?

Retrieve message 1
Retrieve message 2

L> What is maildrop locking?

Sounds like a Unix box cannot get exclusive access to a
file/directory at this moment.

L> Does this happen when connection corrupt (prematurely?)?

Sounds like a temporary mailserver problem to me.

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Re: Question: Backup-function

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AL> I was just wondering: my TB!-folder is 700 MB.

Are you aware of the way TB handles deleted mails in it's
database? Do a folder | compress all and see how much freed
space is reported.

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...
AL> If I would compress every folder it would probably save some 160
AL> MB - not really that much.

It would shrink your W2K backup to ~640 MB :-)

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Re[2]: Question: Backup-function

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Hi Alexander,

>> 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to
>> the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages
>> flagged as deleted and reclaims the space.

AL> That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in
AL> the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I
AL> can hardly believe that...

You better do so :-)

BTW, that was the reason for my initial question. A OS level
backup will always save deleted messages too unless you do a
compress before. Sorry for not beeing verbose enough.

When I think about it: did somebody check how TB backup handles
this? Are deleted messages still there after a restore?

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Hi Marck,

...
MDP> Another is to "browse deleted messages".

Maybe I miss the obvious, but is there a way to undelete a
message except copying it to another folder?

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Re[6]: New version

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Hi John,

JP> What I meant to say ( why didn't you tell me I meant to say this?)
JP> was, after seeing 1.49 out of beta, then 1.49e and 1.51 in beta, where
JP> is a "non beta" 1.50 for the masses?

It's at the same place where you find Netscape 5 ;-)

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Re[2]: Digest (03/02/2001 15:03) (#2001-879)

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Hi Russ,

RM> Thanks for all the help with getting gmx sorted out. Finally I am able
RM> to send email, but it seems very patchy, sometimes it connects,
RM> sometimes it doesn't,

Right. At the moment GMX seems to lack some hardware.
Little tip: if there is no connection after about 5 seconds,
don't wait for the timeout, use cancel and try again.

...
RM> When I get those fancy email newsletters sent to me, they arrive in
RM> html format mainly, and the bat! doesn't show any of the images, only
RM> a yellow exclamation mark. Is there any way to make it do show the
RM> pictures instead?

No. This happens when the pictures are not inlined in the mail.
TB does not request the missing pictures via http (and will
hopefully never do so). To see everything double click on the
message and view it in your web browser.

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Re: Messages in inbox have disappeared

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Hi John,

...
JS>   Now I have an Inbox showing for this account, and an Inbox on the
JS>   disk with all the other folders, but the Inbox shown in the program
JS>   has no messages in it,

Try  ESC  or View | Show | all

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Re[2]: Mass Mailing

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Hi André,

...
AE> If you want to keep the recipients unaware of the other recipients put
AE> all the adresses in the BCC: field and put nothing in the TO: field or
AE> your own adress if your mail server doesn't allow an empty to: field.

Ack.

...
AE> I think if you create a group with TB! and send out a mail
AE> to this list TB! will automatically hide the recipients to the
AE> receivers of the mail.

AE> Can anybody confirm this?

IMO you have to put the list name in the BCC field.

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Re[3]: TB! v1.51 - NoCanvasHandle

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Hi Jan,

Douglas>> AFAIK it means your system resources are low in relation to
Douglas>> the video memory needed to draw another screen. What's your
Douglas>> video memory status?

JR>   32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Graphics Card

AFAIK this means that you are out of GDI resources. You might
run the resource meter (in W95 it's C:\WINDOWS\RSRCMTR.EXE)
to monitor if this is indeed the problem.

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Re[2]: TB! v1.51 - NoCanvasHandle

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Hi,

ACM> Use the NT Taskmanager. Go to View -> Select Objects and choose 'GDI
ACM> handles'.

NT4.00.1381: Found, activated - no effect. Strange :-(

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Re: GMX Server Names with TB?

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Hi Nick,

NA> Anyone using GMX's free POP3 service? Can you tell me what the SMTP and
NA> POP3 Server names you are using with TB! to collect your mail?

I use mail.gmx.de and pop.gmx.de - in your case mail.gmx.net
and pop.gmx.net. You know that you have to use SMTP-after-POP
(or another authentification method) with them?

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Hi ztrader,

...
z> If I mentioned I like text better, we'd have 50 replies
z> defending HTML.

"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article,
 then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and
 fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything
 more is just extremism." - Paul Tomblin

(stolen from the german TB list)
 
z> Keep the peace, brothers and sisters. :-)))

AOL ;-)

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Hi all,

WK> "The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article,
...

Uppps - this was intended as private mail and should not have
gone to the list. My apologies.

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