Re: sys/idtype.h unused enumeration values

2020-05-19 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 19 May 2020 15:14:21 +0200
From:Kamil Rytarowski 
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  | I've abandoned the intention of changing these values (by adding
  | comments, renaming etc).

Good, thank you.

  | Once I will have spare time I might look into
  | implementing the missing ID types, but I don't promise to do it soon.
  | P_PSETID is possibly the easiest one.

That's an orthogonal issue - implementing some of them might be
useful (perhaps) others less so, but whether ever implemented or
not, their number in the ID space should be preserved.

kre



Re: sys/idtype.h unused enumeration values

2020-05-19 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 19.05.2020 15:06, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Tue, 19 May 2020 14:12:31 +0200
> From:Kamil Rytarowski 
> Message-ID:  <6874bb63-5146-797f-98b7-b9c497677...@gmx.com>
> 
>   | Rationale for pointless?
> 
> There is no point.   What more can I say?
> 
>   | My points were:
>   |
>   |  - Clobbering OS that claims the goals of clean design and clean code
>   | with mutant alien bodies without counterparts in the native kernel,
>   | without request from any relevant standard body.
> 
> Having the extra entries is harmless, there is no point deleting them.
> 

I've abandoned the intention of changing these values (by adding
comments, renaming etc). Once I will have spare time I might look into
implementing the missing ID types, but I don't promise to do it soon.
P_PSETID is possibly the easiest one.

Thank you for the feedback.



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Re: sys/idtype.h unused enumeration values

2020-05-19 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 19 May 2020 14:12:31 +0200
From:Kamil Rytarowski 
Message-ID:  <6874bb63-5146-797f-98b7-b9c497677...@gmx.com>

  | Rationale for pointless?

There is no point.   What more can I say?

  | My points were:
  |
  |  - Clobbering OS that claims the goals of clean design and clean code
  | with mutant alien bodies without counterparts in the native kernel,
  | without request from any relevant standard body.

Having the extra entries is harmless, there is no point deleting them.

By all means, if you want, add a /* not implemented by NetBSD */ comment
to each of the appropriate ones, but deleting them with the intent that
they could (perhaps) be put back later is just making hard work - the
values of anything that is actually used need to be preserved for ABI
compat, if something occupies the slot of one of the ones to be replaced
later, then the replacement has to be given a different value, making
binary compat with other systems (emulations) much more complex.   And
all just to delete a meaningless line which is harming nothing...

  |  - Collecting garbage in public headers that is unused, misleading and
  | can at best be dummy.

So, mark it as unused/unimplemented, so it will no longer be misleading.
Or replace them with placeholder symbols "was_P_..." if you'd like to
detect at compile time code that might exist that won't work as intended.

Just don't reuse the numeric values that the deleted symbols occupued.

kre



Re: sys/idtype.h unused enumeration values

2020-05-19 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
On 19.05.2020 08:38, Robert Elz wrote:
> Date:Mon, 18 May 2020 21:11:36 +0200
> From:Kamil Rytarowski 
> Message-ID:  <05255347-1c55-2762-aaf6-fec3caf48...@gmx.com>
> 
>   | Next, I can add my value at the end of list (and before _P_MAXIDTYPE).
> 
> Other than this, everything that you propose is pointless.   This one
> you can do (assuming of course that there is a good reason for your new
> entry, but there's no reason to doubt that now.)


Rationale for pointless?

My points were:

 - Clobbering OS that claims the goals of clean design and clean code
with mutant alien bodies without counterparts in the native kernel,
without request from any relevant standard body.

 - Collecting garbage in public headers that is unused, misleading and
can at best be dummy.

 - Not know any public users. Extremely unlikely to have any private ones.

But as there is insist on keeping that mutant clobber around as it
formally leaked into ABI (even if very unlikely to have any single user
ever), it's better to implement project identifiers and the other kernel
components so this can be meaningful.

> 
> kre
> 




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Re: sys/idtype.h unused enumeration values

2020-05-19 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 18 May 2020 21:11:36 +0200
From:Kamil Rytarowski 
Message-ID:  <05255347-1c55-2762-aaf6-fec3caf48...@gmx.com>

  | Next, I can add my value at the end of list (and before _P_MAXIDTYPE).

Other than this, everything that you propose is pointless.   This one
you can do (assuming of course that there is a good reason for your new
entry, but there's no reason to doubt that now.)

kre