Re: Updated release management straw man for TB consideration
2013/3/12 Mark Shuttleworth m...@ubuntu.com: Am writing to ask you to weigh in on an updated release management proposal. Details are on Planet Ubuntu, salient portion of the proposal is: Thanks for raising these points here, Mark. optional newer versions of major, fast-moving and important platform components. For example, during the life of 12.04 LTS we are providing as optional updates newer versions of OpenStack, so it is always possible to deploy 12.04 LTS with the latest OpenStack in a supported configuration, and upgrade to newer versions of OpenStack in existing clouds without upgrading from 12.04 LTS itself. People have generally suggested that using PPAs for this is the right path forward. However, this is not how it's done with the updated OpenStack packages. I would love to hear from the server team about the rationale for this and whether -- after having used the process for around a year now, IIRC -- they find that the benefits outweigh the cost of divergence. That should give us better grounds for working out if 1) using PPAs really is perfectly sufficient or 2) if we should look into improving PPAs to make it so or perhaps 3) make the system used for the OpenStack packages available to maintainers of other software stacks. 2. Reducing the amount of release management, and duration of support, for interim releases. Very few end users depend on 18 months support for interim releases. The proposal is to reduce the support for interim releases to 7 months, thereby providing constant support for those who stay on the latest interim release, or any supported LTS releases. Like most everyone else, I feel that 7 months is a bit on the aggressive side and that 8 months would be more appropriate. I'd be perfectly happy with that, too. Our working assumption is that the latest interim release is used by folks who will be involved, even if tangentially, in the making of Ubuntu, and LTS releases will be used by those who purely consume it. Do we have any data to support this or is it a gut feeling? 3. Designating the tip of development as a Rolling Release. Building on current Daily Quality practices, to make the tip of the development release generally useful as a ‘daily driver’ for developers who want to track Ubuntu progress without taking significant risk with their primary laptop. We would ask the TB to evaluate whether it’s worth changing our archive naming and management conventions so that one release, say ‘raring’, stays the tip release so that there is no need to ‘upgrade’ when releases are actually published. We would encourage PPA developers to target the edge release, so that we don’t fragment the ‘extras’ collection across interim releases. The best policy years ago may not be the best policy now (and vice versa), so I'm totally ready to explore this suggestion. I'm having trouble visualising how this would work in practice, though. Specifically, it's not clear to me what the relationship is between the rolling release and the LTS release (for the sake of this argument I'm assuming that the non-LTS releases are no more). Do you see the LTS release a simple snapshot of what's in the rolling release? If not, how will they be split? -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Senior Software Engineer | http://www.cisco.com/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Regular Leadership Meeting - Volunteers?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, Thanks everyone for your interest. It sounds like we have lots of volunteers! I would like to propose we do this: * We will hold the meeting every two weeks on a Tuesday at 8pm UTC / 1pm Pacific / 4pm Eastern. We will start the first session next week. * We will hold the session on Google+ Hangouts On Air which will appear on Ubuntu On Air. * We will invite community members to join the session and bring their topics for discussion to the session itself (via IRC). * In terms of attendees for each session, can I ask each council to coordinate between yourselves and then let me know who will represent the council and I will invite them to the hangout. * We can try this format first and if it doesn't work as well, we can try other methods of optimizing the session. Does this sound good to everyone? Thanks! Jono Hi Jono, Seems fine but can we have a rotating meeting timings each week or bi weekly as it goes with most of the council meetings? Regards, -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~bhavi -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Please add QPDF to my upload rights into main
On 03/12/2013 04:59 PM, Stéphane Graber wrote: On 03/12/2013 04:27 AM, Till Kamppeter wrote: Hi, cups-filters needs QPDF to manipulate PDF files for printing. Therefore I have moved QPDF into Main from Quantal on. QPDF is currently only used by cups-filters for the print workflow. Can you add this package (qpdf) to the list of packages where I have upload rights on? Thanks. Till Done Thank you very much. Till -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Regular Leadership Meeting - Volunteers?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, Today I had a productive call with some members of the CC and another community member and one outcome of the call is a regular Google+ Hangout in which we have a representative from each of the governance boards together to discuss topics and challenges of the day with our community. The idea is to provide a representative set of leaders who can discuss agenda items submitted by the community in an open and transparent fashion. I think it could be useful to do this every two weeks, and I just wanted to reach out to see who might be interested in participating in this regular hangout. I can pitch in provided the timings are between 14UTC - 17UTC. Regards, -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~bhavi -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Regular Leadership Meeting - Volunteers?
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com wrote: I just wanted to reach out to see who might be interested in participating in this regular hangout. Thanks again for this call yesterday, Jono. We can probably rotate CC members, but I'm happy to participate as one of them. -- Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2 http://www.princessleia.com -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Regular Leadership Meeting - Volunteers?
Jono: I would be interested, but depending on the meeting time my availability may be constrained. Charles On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 21:47 -0700, Jono Bacon wrote: Hi All, Today I had a productive call with some members of the CC and another community member and one outcome of the call is a regular Google+ Hangout in which we have a representative from each of the governance boards together to discuss topics and challenges of the day with our community. The idea is to provide a representative set of leaders who can discuss agenda items submitted by the community in an open and transparent fashion. I think it could be useful to do this every two weeks, and I just wanted to reach out to see who might be interested in participating in this regular hangout. Thanks! Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Regular Leadership Meeting - Volunteers?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach l...@ubuntu.com wrote: We can probably rotate CC members, but I'm happy to participate as one of them. Same here! -- Martin -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Regular Leadership Meeting - Volunteers?
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Bhavani Shankar R bh...@ubuntu.com wrote: Seems fine but can we have a rotating meeting timings each week or bi weekly as it goes with most of the council meetings? Fine with me. :-) Would you prefer the other meeting to be earlier or later? Thanks! Jono -- Jono Bacon Ubuntu Community Manager www.ubuntu.com / www.jonobacon.org www.identi.ca/jonobacon www.twitter.com/jonobacon -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
