Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Ankur Sinha wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 19:19 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > The desktop file is correct; it launches gnome-screenshot
> > --interactive.
> > So the program itself is indeed broken.
>
> This bug also exists in F21. I filed a bug a couple of days ago:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735375

  great, thanks for confirming this.

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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Ankur Sinha 
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 19:19 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> The desktop file is correct; it launches gnome-screenshot
> --interactive.
> So the program itself is indeed broken.

This bug also exists in F21. I filed a bug a couple of days ago:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735375

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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro 
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 19:30 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   rawhide.

The desktop file is correct; it launches gnome-screenshot --interactive.
So the program itself is indeed broken.

I notice it works when running from a terminal. Odd.


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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Michael Catanzaro wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 22:16 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> > Yeah but the desktop file should run it in interactive mode (can't
> > check right now if it indeed does that).
>
> Yup. Robert, are you running Fedora 20, Fedora 21, or rawhide?

  rawhide.

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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro 
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 22:16 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> Yeah but the desktop file should run it in interactive mode (can't
> check right now if it indeed does that).

Yup. Robert, are you running Fedora 20, Fedora 21, or rawhide?


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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread drago01 
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Matthias Clasen  wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 15:38 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>>   did a massive "yum update" on my 64-bit ASUS laptop earlier today
>> and, suddenly, gnome-screenshot won't come up. if i now go to
>> "Activities" and left click ... nothing.
>>
>>   if i run "gnome-screenshot" from the command line, i get a sudden
>> burst of white on the display, then nothing.
>>
>>   at least one other graphical app (qoppa's studio pro PDF editor) is
>> also behaving weirdly. anyone else finding strange things happening in
>> their gnome desktop session?
>>
>
> gnome-screenshot does what its name says, it takes a screenshot (with a
> flash effect, which is what you describe). If you want to tweak settings
> before taking the screenshot, run it in interactive mode:
>
> gnome-screenshot --interactive

Yeah but the desktop file should run it in interactive mode (can't
check right now if it indeed does that).
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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Matthias Clasen wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 15:38 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   did a massive "yum update" on my 64-bit ASUS laptop earlier today
> > and, suddenly, gnome-screenshot won't come up. if i now go to
> > "Activities" and left click ... nothing.
> >
> >   if i run "gnome-screenshot" from the command line, i get a sudden
> > burst of white on the display, then nothing.
> >
> >   at least one other graphical app (qoppa's studio pro PDF editor) is
> > also behaving weirdly. anyone else finding strange things happening in
> > their gnome desktop session?
> >
>
> gnome-screenshot does what its name says, it takes a screenshot (with a
> flash effect, which is what you describe). If you want to tweak settings
> before taking the screenshot, run it in interactive mode:
>
> gnome-screenshot --interactive

  ah, that's how it's been running all this time with my running it
from Activities, so obviously the yum update wiped out some settings.
is that something i should have expected? i've done numerous updates
before now with no problem.

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Re: after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Matthias Clasen 
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 15:38 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   did a massive "yum update" on my 64-bit ASUS laptop earlier today
> and, suddenly, gnome-screenshot won't come up. if i now go to
> "Activities" and left click ... nothing.
> 
>   if i run "gnome-screenshot" from the command line, i get a sudden
> burst of white on the display, then nothing.
> 
>   at least one other graphical app (qoppa's studio pro PDF editor) is
> also behaving weirdly. anyone else finding strange things happening in
> their gnome desktop session?
> 

gnome-screenshot does what its name says, it takes a screenshot (with a
flash effect, which is what you describe). If you want to tweak settings
before taking the screenshot, run it in interactive mode:

gnome-screenshot --interactive

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after update, suddenly gnome-screenshot won't start

2014-08-28 Thread Robert P. J. Day 

  did a massive "yum update" on my 64-bit ASUS laptop earlier today
and, suddenly, gnome-screenshot won't come up. if i now go to
"Activities" and left click ... nothing.

  if i run "gnome-screenshot" from the command line, i get a sudden
burst of white on the display, then nothing.

  at least one other graphical app (qoppa's studio pro PDF editor) is
also behaving weirdly. anyone else finding strange things happening in
their gnome desktop session?

rday

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 Unofficial Ansible modules for managing Openstack

Update Information:

New package

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  [ 1 ] Bug #1134377 - Review Request: ansible-openstack-modules - Unofficial 
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* Wed Aug 27 2014 Ralph Bean  - 0.10.0-1
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Update to 1.0.0 (rewrite due to licencing issues)

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* Thu Aug 28 2014 Philip Withnall  - 1.0.0-1
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  [ 1 ] Bug #1134178 - heads-up setlocale 1.0.0
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* Wed Aug 27 2014 Patrick Monnerat  7.8.50-1.20140827git
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* Sat Aug 16 2014 Fedora Release Engineering  
- 7.4.50-16.20120403cvs
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Fix RHBZs #1116860, #1105506, #1116853.

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2014-08-28 Thread updates 
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 389-ds-base-1.3.2.23-1.fc20 (FEDORA-2014-9869)
 389 Directory Server (base)

Update Information:

several bug fixes

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- Ticket 47866 - Errors after upgrading related to attribute 
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Fedora 19 updates-testing report

2014-08-28 Thread updates 
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https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-9703/cups-1.6.4-10.fc19


The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 19 updates-testing

btrfs-progs-3.16-1.fc19
cabal-rpm-0.9.1-1.fc19
cantata-1.4.1-1.fc19
cmake-fedora-2.3.0-1.fc19
compat-qpid-cpp-0.24-19.fc19
converseen-0.8.2-1.fc19
copr-frontend-1.44-1.fc19
corosync-2.3.4-1.fc19
cups-1.6.4-10.fc19
fedmsg-0.10.0-1.fc19
gbrainy-2.2.3-1.fc19
genius-1.0.18-1.fc19
gimp-2.8.14-1.fc19
glibc-2.17-21.fc19
langtable-0.0.27-1.fc19
lis-1.4.58-1.fc19
perl-Crypt-CipherSaber-1.00-12.fc19
perl-WWW-OrangeHRM-Client-0.8.0-1.fc19
python-ansi2html-1.0.6-4.fc19
python-copr-1.46-1.fc19
python-docker-py-0.4.0-3.fc19
python-myhdl-0.8.1-1.fc19
python-pdfminer-20140328-2.fc19
vim-7.4.417-1.fc19
wine-1.7.25-1.fc19
wkhtmltopdf-0.12.1-1.fc19

Details about builds:



 btrfs-progs-3.16-1.fc19 (FEDORA-2014-9828)
 Userspace programs for btrfs

Update Information:

New upstream release.

ChangeLog:

* Wed Aug 27 2014 Eric Sandeen  3.16-1
- New upstream release




 cabal-rpm-0.9.1-1.fc19 (FEDORA-2014

Re: X-GNOME-SingleWindow=true

2014-08-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro 
On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 15:46 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> Seems we (at Fedora) need to take action then and modify the .desktop
> files appropriately and request the modification to be applied
> upstream,
> too. Not all upstreams use the GNOME Shell, and not all upstreams
> would
> learn about the needed/useful desktop file modification either.

The heuristic to decide whether to show the New Window button is
implemented in such a way that it's probably going to guess correctly
for non-GNOME apps. Off the top of my head, I think we assume that New
Window will work unless the app is a single-instance app using
GtkApplication (I'm not aware of any non-GNOME app that fits this bill).
These apps are supposed to provide their own New Window option in the
app menu for it to be possible to create a new window anyway, and GNOME
Terminal unfortunately named it New Terminal instead of New Window,
which confused the heuristic.

Or something like that. TL;DR: don't worry about it. Probably.

Cheers,

Michael


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X-GNOME-SingleWindow=true

2014-08-28 Thread Michael Schwendt 
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:11:23 +0200, drago01 wrote:

> >>  Why is it no longer possible to
> >> open new gnome-terminal windows but only be offered access to the single
> >> open one? Am I really supposed to "Launch" more instances via the
> >> "Show Details" feature? That would be odd.
> >
> > Looks like fallout from
> > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=3182aba744e7d64ecf71dfdbb5f5b1fa663325dc
> 
> Filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735479

Seems we (at Fedora) need to take action then and modify the .desktop
files appropriately and request the modification to be applied upstream,
too. Not all upstreams use the GNOME Shell, and not all upstreams would
learn about the needed/useful desktop file modification either.
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Re: Proposing new dual booting release criteria

2014-08-28 Thread François Cami 
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Chris Murphy  wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Michael Catanzaro  wrote:
>> Fedora will not become widely popular if it remains dangerous to install.
>
> At least it doesn't seem more dangerous than any other distribution, but I 
> agree being trustworthy in this area makes it more likely people will install 
> it.

+1

>> Windows
>> ===
>>
(...)
>> I propose the language be amended to the following:
>>
>> "The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
>> existing clean Windows installation and install a bootloader which can
>> boot into both Windows and Fedora."

>> OS X
>> 
>>
(...)
>> "The installer must be able to install into free space alongside an
>> existing clean OS X installation and install a bootloader which can boot
>> into both OS X and Fedora, OR the installer must prominently warn the
>> user that he may be unable to boot OS X after installation, allowing the
>> user to cancel installation and reboot to OS X."

All fine, except that we should maybe feel more than a little
concerned about release criteria wordered with *must* and not
*should*, when the dependency is a (rather large) piece of proprietary
software we have no control of and possibly no access to.

François
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rawhide report: 20140828 changes

2014-08-28 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report 
Broken deps for i386
--
[0ad]
0ad-0.0.16-9.fc22.i686 requires libicuuc.so.52
0ad-0.0.16-9.fc22.i686 requires libicui18n.so.52
[APLpy]
APLpy-0.9.8-5.fc21.noarch requires pywcs
[PyKDE]
PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.i686 requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0
[PyQuante]
PyQuante-libint-1.6.4-11.fc22.1.i686 requires libint(x86-32) = 
0:1.1.6-2.fc21
[audtty]
audtty-0.1.12-9.fc20.i686 requires libaudclient.so.2
[authhub]
authhub-0.1.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libjson.so.0
[aws]
aws-devel-3.1.0-6.fc21.i686 requires libgrypt-devel
[cduce]
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(String) = 
0:d3baab1cf7edc2fec1fa9c9217140d10
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(Pervasives) = 
0:4329e57fde14cc94b02a739d2595516b
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(Location) = 
0:0beb1f904f757422c85ea51aae076559
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(Lazy) = 
0:65801e9cdbd8c4e82df1f02f97116721
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(Format) = 
0:a9de4c8c622e30d6eb221ce41563dbf4
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(Filename) = 
0:3b889637b7a18c39de7a0d0f5d10432e
cduce-0.6.0-6.fc22.i686 requires ocaml(Array) = 
0:9125e0607c9ad02018c9eb4672142241
[compat-gcc-34]
compat-gcc-34-c++-3.4.6-29.fc19.i686 requires libstdc++ < 0:4.9.0
[condor]
condor-plumage-8.1.4-7.a1a7df5.fc22.i686 requires libmongoclient.so
[couchdb]
couchdb-1.6.0-11.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
couchdb-1.6.0-11.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[cp2k]
cp2k-2.5.1-8.fc22.i686 requires libint(x86-32) = 0:1.1.6-2.fc21
cp2k-mpich-2.5.1-8.fc22.i686 requires libint(x86-32) = 0:1.1.6-2.fc21
cp2k-openmpi-2.5.1-8.fc22.i686 requires libmpi_usempi.so.1
cp2k-openmpi-2.5.1-8.fc22.i686 requires libint(x86-32) = 0:1.1.6-2.fc21
[csound]
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csound-java-5.19.01-1.fc20.i686 requires java-gcj-compat
csound-java-5.19.01-1.fc20.i686 requires java-gcj-compat
csound-java-5.19.01-1.fc20.i686 requires java-1.5.0-gcj
csound-tk-5.19.01-1.fc20.i686 requires libtk8.5.so
csound-tk-5.19.01-1.fc20.i686 requires libtcl8.5.so
[deltacloud-core]
deltacloud-core-rackspace-1.1.3-1.fc20.noarch requires 
rubygem(cloudservers)
deltacloud-core-rackspace-1.1.3-1.fc20.noarch requires 
rubygem(cloudfiles)
[docker-registry]
docker-registry-0.7.3-1.fc22.noarch requires docker-io
[dragonegg]
dragonegg-3.4-0.3.rc0.fc21.i686 requires gcc = 0:4.8.2-14.fc21
[edelib]
edelib-2.1-5.fc22.i686 requires libedelib.so
edelib-devel-2.1-5.fc22.i686 requires libedelib.so
[ejabberd]
ejabberd-2.1.13-8.fc21.i686 requires erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[elk]
elk-openmpi-2.3.22-7.fc21.i686 requires libmpi_usempi.so.1
[elpa]
elpa-openmpi-2013.11-4.008.fc21.i686 requires libmpi_usempi.so.1
[erlang-basho_metrics]
erlang-basho_metrics-1.0.0-11.fc22.i686 requires 
erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[erlang-bitcask]
erlang-bitcask-1.6.3-1.fc20.i686 requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 
0:2.4
[erlang-cl]
erlang-cl-1.2.1-3.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[erlang-ebloom]
erlang-ebloom-1.1.2-5.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[erlang-eleveldb]
erlang-eleveldb-1.3.2-5.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 
0:2.4
[erlang-emmap]
erlang-emmap-0-0.9.git05ae1bb.fc22.i686 requires 
erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[erlang-erlsyslog]
erlang-erlsyslog-0.6.2-6.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_drv_version) = 
0:2.2
[erlang-esasl]
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erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[erlang-esdl]
erlang-esdl-1.3.1-4.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[erlang-js]
erlang-js-1.2.2-6.fc22.i686 requires erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[erlang-sd_notify]
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0:2.4
[erlang-skerl]
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[erlang-snappy]
erlang-snappy-1.0.3-0.8.git80db168.fc22.i686 requires 
erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[eucalyptus]
eucalyptus-common-java-3.3.0-0.5.20130408git32052445.fc20.i686 requires 
hibernate3-jbosscache >= 0:3.6.10-7
[fatrat]
1:fatrat-1.2.0-0.21.beta2.fc22.i686 requires libtorrent-rasterbar.so.7
[flashrom]
flashrom-0.9.6.1-5.svn1705.fc20.i686 requires libftdi.so.1
[flush]
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[freesteam]
freesteam-ascend-2.1-6.20140724svn753.fc22.i686 requires libascend.so.1
[ga]
ga-openmpi-5.3b-9.fc21.i686 requires libmpi_usempi.so.1
[gcc-python-plugin]
gcc-python2-debug-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.i686 requires gcc = 
0:4.8.2-14.fc21
gcc-pyt

Re: F-21 Branched report: 20140828 changes

2014-08-28 Thread Daniel P. Berrange 
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:09:37AM +, Fedora Branched Report wrote:
> Broken deps for armhfp
> [libvirt]
>   libvirt-lock-sanlock-1.2.7-2.fc21.armv7hl requires sanlock >= 0:2.4
>   libvirt-lock-sanlock-1.2.7-2.fc21.armv7hl requires 
> libsanlock_client.so.1

> Broken deps for i386
> --
> [libvirt]
>   libvirt-lock-sanlock-1.2.7-2.fc21.i686 requires sanlock >= 0:2.4
>   libvirt-lock-sanlock-1.2.7-2.fc21.i686 requires libsanlock_client.so.1

A bogus ExclusiveArch restriction was added to the sanlock package
preventing it building on armv7 and i686. Bug to request this be
removed, which would fix libvirt deps:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1134861

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F-21 Branched report: 20140828 changes

2014-08-28 Thread Fedora Branched Report 
Compose started at Thu Aug 28 07:15:03 UTC 2014

Broken deps for armhfp
--
[APLpy]
APLpy-0.9.8-5.fc21.noarch requires pywcs
[PyKDE]
PyKDE-3.16.6-14.fc20.armv7hl requires sip-api(10) >= 0:10.0
[PyQuante]
PyQuante-libint-1.6.4-11.fc21.1.armv7hl requires libint(armv7hl-32) = 
0:1.1.6-2.fc21
[audtty]
audtty-0.1.12-9.fc20.armv7hl requires libaudclient.so.2
[authhub]
authhub-0.1.2-3.fc19.armv7hl requires libjson.so.0
[couchdb]
couchdb-1.6.0-9.fc21.armv7hl requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
couchdb-1.6.0-9.fc21.armv7hl requires erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[cp2k]
cp2k-2.5.1-8.fc21.armv7hl requires libint(armv7hl-32) = 0:1.1.6-2.fc21
cp2k-mpich-2.5.1-8.fc21.armv7hl requires libint(armv7hl-32) = 
0:1.1.6-2.fc21
cp2k-openmpi-2.5.1-8.fc21.armv7hl requires libmpi_usempi.so.1
cp2k-openmpi-2.5.1-8.fc21.armv7hl requires libint(armv7hl-32) = 
0:1.1.6-2.fc21
[csound]
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csound-java-5.19.01-1.fc20.armv7hl requires java-gcj-compat
csound-java-5.19.01-1.fc20.armv7hl requires java-gcj-compat
csound-java-5.19.01-1.fc20.armv7hl requires java-1.5.0-gcj
csound-tk-5.19.01-1.fc20.armv7hl requires libtk8.5.so
csound-tk-5.19.01-1.fc20.armv7hl requires libtcl8.5.so
[deltacloud-core]
deltacloud-core-rackspace-1.1.3-1.fc20.noarch requires 
rubygem(cloudservers)
deltacloud-core-rackspace-1.1.3-1.fc20.noarch requires 
rubygem(cloudfiles)
[docker-registry]
docker-registry-0.7.3-1.fc21.noarch requires docker-io
[dragonegg]
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[edelib]
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edelib-devel-2.1-5.fc21.armv7hl requires libedelib.so
[ejabberd]
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[elpa]
elpa-openmpi-2013.11-4.008.fc21.armv7hl requires libmpi_usempi.so.1
[erlang-basho_metrics]
erlang-basho_metrics-1.0.0-10.fc21.armv7hl requires 
erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[erlang-bitcask]
erlang-bitcask-1.6.3-1.fc20.armv7hl requires erlang(erl_nif_version) = 
0:2.4
[erlang-cl]
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[erlang-ebloom]
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0:2.4
[erlang-eleveldb]
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0:2.4
[erlang-emmap]
erlang-emmap-0-0.8.git05ae1bb.fc21.armv7hl requires 
erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[erlang-erlsyslog]
erlang-erlsyslog-0.6.2-6.fc21.armv7hl requires erlang(erl_drv_version) 
= 0:2.2
[erlang-esasl]
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erlang(erl_drv_version) = 0:2.2
[erlang-esdl]
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0:2.2
[erlang-js]
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[erlang-sd_notify]
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0:2.4
[erlang-skerl]
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0:2.4
[erlang-snappy]
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erlang(erl_nif_version) = 0:2.4
[eucalyptus]
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requires hibernate3-jbosscache >= 0:3.6.10-7
[fatrat]
1:fatrat-1.2.0-0.21.beta2.fc21.armv7hl requires 
libtorrent-rasterbar.so.7
[flashrom]
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[flush]
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[freesteam]
freesteam-ascend-2.1-6.20140724svn753.fc21.armv7hl requires 
libascend.so.1
[gcc-python-plugin]
gcc-python2-debug-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.armv7hl requires gcc = 
0:4.8.2-14.fc21
gcc-python2-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.armv7hl requires gcc = 0:4.8.2-14.fc21
gcc-python3-debug-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.armv7hl requires 
libpython3.3dm.so.1.0
gcc-python3-debug-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.armv7hl requires gcc = 
0:4.8.2-14.fc21
gcc-python3-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.armv7hl requires libpython3.3m.so.1.0
gcc-python3-plugin-0.12-18.fc21.armv7hl requires gcc = 0:4.8.2-14.fc21
[gedit-valencia]
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libvala-0.24.so.0
[ghc-hint]
ghc-hint-devel-0.4.2.0-2.fc21.armv7hl requires 
ghc-devel(ghc-7.6.3-9662c0f342b2d5c9e1cd2b6330e697bc)
[gnome-python2-desktop]
gnome-python2-metacity-2.32.0-18.fc21.armv7hl requires 
libmetacity-private.so.0
[gnome-shell-extension-pomodoro]
gnome-shell-extension-pomodoro-0.10.0-4.fc21.armv7hl requires 
libupower-glib.so.2
[gofer]
ruby-gofer-0.77.1-2.fc21.noarch requires rubygem(qpid) >= 0:0.16.0
[hibernate-search]
hibe

Re: What's wrong with Fedora 21 GNOME?

2014-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 11:49 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:15:06 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> 
> > I've been running gnome on what will become F-21 using my "production
> > work laptop" since mid April with out any major issues WRT to booting
> > or any of the core functionality.
> 
> Compare that with several attempts at trying to upgrade F20 to F21 since
> early July. Is any script still checking for and reporting upgrade path
> violations?

upgradepath runs, but I believe it only runs on updates, and Bodhi is
not enabled for F21 yet.

> Symptoms not present with F20:
>  - the gray X login screen appears, but no users are displayed at the centre
>(some race or stale state after shutdown problems?)
>  - systemd is stuck in a loop waiting for 4-5 items, such as devices during
>shutdown or reboot - no patience to wait for more than two minutes!
>  - the small fedora logo animation fills up till its completely white, then
>nothing happens because systemd is waiting for something, pressing reboot
>keys doesn't lead to anything
>  - a freshly upgrade F20-to-F21 only booted to the maintenance prompt or
>couldn't decrypt the LUKS home -> upgrading from non-updated F20 to F21
>has helped more than once

FWIW I've been running 21 since 20 came out, and my experience is pretty
close to Peter's. Stuff goes wrong here and there, but broadly it's
fine. There is a known issue with shutdown delaying,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088619 .
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[Test-Announce] GNOME 3.14 Test Day today!

2014-08-28 Thread Adam Williamson 
Hi, folks! Sorry for the late notice, but better late than never. Amita
mentioned this on Tuesday, but I figured a proper announcement mail
can't hurt!

Today (that is, 2014-08-28) is GNOME Test Day!

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2014-08-28_Gnome_3.14

We’ll be testing GNOME 3.14 pre-release on Fedora 21 pre-Alpha, so I
expect everything will work absolutely perfectly and no-one will find
any bugs at all ;)

But seriously! Come on down and test, there are lots of fun new features
in GNOME 3.14 to try and both GNOME and Fedora teams could definitely
use some exercise on the new bits that’ll be included. We have
brand-spanking-new nightly live images for i686 and x86_64, and even an
ARM image if you’re that one person with hardware capable of running
GNOME Shell on ARM. Wayland is actually in more-or-less usable shape for
Intel video adapters now, so if you have an Intel-based system you can
even give that a try!

The wiki page has full instructions, and we’re using the handy test day
results reporting system[1] so you don’t have to hand-edit results into
wiki pages, that’s so 2012. Friendly folks – both QA folks and GNOME
developers – will be standing by all day European and North American
time in #fedora-test-day on Freenode IRC to help you out with testing
and discuss any bugs you come across. If you don’t know how to use IRC,
you can read the instructions[2], or just use WebIRC[3]. Please come by
and help out if you have a few spare minutes! Thanks.

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Re: What's wrong with Fedora 21 GNOME?

2014-08-28 Thread Michael Schwendt 
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:02:12 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> > The primary problem with Rawhide and repository mirror propagation
> > times is: you can get the "wrong" builds, e.g. a set of updates that
> > breaks your system, while developers (or packagers) have submitted a
> > new build (or even a hot-fix) already that is supposed to fix a
> > problem after the next compose. 
> 
> So you get it in the next compose? 

Sometimes. Provided that the issue did not corrupt anything, does not lead
to boot problems and does not prevent from updating (aka Yum breakage).
For instance, some scriptlet mistakes mess with symlinks, with file
contents, with config files, and with alternatives -- they cause damage.
The fix in a next compose will no longer cause damage, but doesn't
_repair_ the damage that has been caused earlier.
 
> If a maintainer noticed the problem before the build went out in a
> compose, you would only see the fixed one. If they saw it only after
> the compose, you should see the fixed one after that? 

It's not that easy. There are more factors that are relevant, such as
errors during boot, crashes during login, broken dependencies (will
--skip-broken lead to trouble because of unversioned deps?), mirror
propagation times (it takes multiple days for updates to become available
at a nearby mirror, whereas some people install packages from koji/copr as
well as from private repos that are ahead of Rawhide).

> I usually do update daily, but at times I do not. I didn't update for a
> week or so around flock, and had no particular problems. 
> I have another rawhide machine at home that I sometimes don't update
> for days/weeks at a time anymore, and it's only had the occasional dep
> issue that was pretty easy to fix up/work around. 

Well, experience differs. My experience is that over time, Rawhide breaks
into pieces either slowly or all of a sudden. Up to the point that a
reinstall would result in something that works better, because reporting
strange symptoms seldomly is fruitful.

> Anyhow, if you have suggestions for improvement, I'm all ears. 

There are still packagers, who don't

 - build for Rawhide before building for F20/F21,
   (i.e. don't violate the upgrade paths)

 - smoke-test your builds on a local installation before releasing them
   (i.e. notice whether a program segfaults immediately!) 

and for library upgrades

 - examine the effort it takes to perform library ABI/API upgrades,
   (i.e. talk to all dependency owners before breaking dependencies).


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Re: [Fedora QA] #450: Fedora 21 Translation (L10n) Test Day

2014-08-28 Thread Fedora QA 
#450: Fedora 21 Translation (L10n) Test Day
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  Reporter:  anipeter  |  Owner:  pschindl
  Type:  task  | Status:  assigned
  Priority:  major |  Milestone:  Fedora 21
 Component:  Test Day  |Version:
Resolution:|   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
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Comment (by pschindl):

 I've moved L10n test day to 23th September.

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Re: [Fedora QA] #450: Fedora 21 Translation (L10n) Test Day

2014-08-28 Thread Fedora QA 
#450: Fedora 21 Translation (L10n) Test Day
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  Reporter:  anipeter  |  Owner:  pschindl
  Type:  task  | Status:  assigned
  Priority:  major |  Milestone:  Fedora 21
 Component:  Test Day  |Version:
Resolution:|   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
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Comment (by anipeter):

 The F21 schedule [1] has changed again. Now since the alpha release is on
 9th Sept and translation deadline is on 30th September, would like to move
 the L10n test day from 9th to 23rd Septemeber (Tuesday).

 [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/Schedule

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