Re: Introduction

2018-02-19 Thread Gavin Flower

On 20/02/18 06:57, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:

Hi!

My credentials are in electrical engineering and just before I retired 
(almost three year ago) I was reading through the Intel spec's on the 
latest chip sets ; as I needed to understand physical data flow 
bottlenecks. From early childhood I was not only interested in 
electronics, but in electronic computers. This stuff is something I do 
because I really like it, not because it was my profession.


I have programmed in many languages. There are several I only wrote 
one program with just to explore the language. There are some examples 
below. Sometimes I am still amazed by the number of new languages 
being published. After I look them over though I laugh at the huge 
similarities to the ones the pre-existed them. My first experience as 
a student was with with Fortran and SPS on an old IBM 1620 I found 
“laying around”. After that I wrote a fair amount of machine code 
(hex) and some BAL for IBM 360. After I was working and 
microprocessors became available, there weren't any programmers around 
for them; so the electrical engineers who implemented the processors 
in hardware also wrote the software. A fact I was very happy about. I 
wrote hex code for the Motorola 6800 and later I did a little for the 
68000. I also wrote a fair amount of code in Pascal on a VAX computer. 
Pascal was all they had on that machine and they didn't want to buy 
another license.


Later when PCs became available in a form similar to those commonly in 
use today, I wrote useful code in Smalltalk, Lisp, Java. The first two 
were connected to an AI project I worked on. The Java was control code 
for a mechanism not for web pages. In the 1980s I was sent by one of 
the companies I worked for to take C classes. I took all classes, but 
then the project was canceled; so I never had a chance to use it. 
Things I learned in the C classes, like the ease with which memory 
leaks were created, lead be to have a strong aversion for it . I never 
pursued C after that.


Since I abandon Windows, about F16 ago, and started using Fedora, I've 
been writing in Python. I've always held the opinion that code should 
be well organized and easy to follow. After I wrote my first thousand 
lines of python I went and got the style guide and found to my 
satisfaction that my code, with one exception was compliant. I've 
never taken classes in Python; so I won't present myself as being 
ready to start writing Python for Fedora. Though I just purchased a 
course from the Teaching Company that uses Python for all the code 
work. I haven't started it yet so I can say more about it.


My tiny contributions to Fedora so far has been running the canned 
regression tests on Linux. I got a FAS account so I could submit the 
results, but since I haven't joined a group yet that was about all I 
could do. As I was think further about it it seemed like testing would 
be a good place to start.




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Hi,

Am not officially connected with Fedora nor Red Hat.  So this is pure my 
personal opinion!


I think with your low level skills with Intel Chip sets, that you would 
be well place to review kernel code relating to such - if you can 
overcome your aversion to C.  You might like to look at http://lkml.org 
- am not a kernel hacker, so can't advise further...


The first three languages I got paid to use were FORTRAN IV, COBOL, and 
ICL 4/72 Assembler.



Cheers,
Gavin
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Introduction

2018-02-19 Thread pmkel...@frontier.com

Hi!

My credentials are in electrical engineering and just before I retired 
(almost three year ago) I was reading through the Intel spec's on the 
latest chip sets ; as I needed to understand physical data flow 
bottlenecks. From early childhood I was not only interested in 
electronics, but in electronic computers. This stuff is something I do 
because I really like it, not because it was my profession.


I have programmed in many languages. There are several I only wrote one 
program with just to explore the language. There are some examples 
below. Sometimes I am still amazed by the number of new languages being 
published. After I look them over though I laugh at the huge 
similarities to the ones the pre-existed them. My first experience as a 
student was with with Fortran and SPS on an old IBM 1620 I found “laying 
around”. After that I wrote a fair amount of machine code (hex) and some 
BAL for IBM 360. After I was working and microprocessors became 
available, there weren't any programmers around for them; so the 
electrical engineers who implemented the processors in hardware also 
wrote the software. A fact I was very happy about. I wrote hex code for 
the Motorola 6800 and later I did a little for the 68000. I also wrote a 
fair amount of code in Pascal on a VAX computer. Pascal was all they had 
on that machine and they didn't want to buy another license.


Later when PCs became available in a form similar to those commonly in 
use today, I wrote useful code in Smalltalk, Lisp, Java. The first two 
were connected to an AI project I worked on. The Java was control code 
for a mechanism not for web pages. In the 1980s I was sent by one of the 
companies I worked for to take C classes. I took all classes, but then 
the project was canceled; so I never had a chance to use it. Things I 
learned in the C classes, like the ease with which memory leaks were 
created, lead be to have a strong aversion for it . I never pursued C 
after that.


Since I abandon Windows, about F16 ago, and started using Fedora, I've 
been writing in Python. I've always held the opinion that code should be 
well organized and easy to follow. After I wrote my first thousand lines 
of python I went and got the style guide and found to my satisfaction 
that my code, with one exception was compliant. I've never taken classes 
in Python; so I won't present myself as being ready to start writing 
Python for Fedora. Though I just purchased a course from the Teaching 
Company that uses Python for all the code work. I haven't started it yet 
so I can say more about it.


My tiny contributions to Fedora so far has been running the canned 
regression tests on Linux. I got a FAS account so I could submit the 
results, but since I haven't joined a group yet that was about all I 
could do. As I was think further about it it seemed like testing would 
be a good place to start.

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Introduction

2018-02-19 Thread pmkel...@frontier.com

Hi!

My credentials are in electrical engineering and just before I retired 
(almost three year ago) I was reading through the Intel spec's on the 
latest chip sets ; as I needed to understand physical data flow 
bottlenecks. From early childhood I was not only interested in 
electronics, but in electronic computers. This stuff is something I do 
because I really like it, not because it was my profession.


I have programmed in many languages. There are several I only wrote one 
program with just to explore the language. There are some examples 
below. Sometimes I am still amazed by the number of new languages being 
published. After I look them over though I laugh at the huge 
similarities to the ones the pre-existed them. My first experience as a 
student was with with Fortran and SPS on an old IBM 1620 I found “laying 
around”. After that I wrote a fair amount of machine code (hex) and some 
BAL for IBM 360. After I was working and microprocessors became 
available, there weren't any programmers around for them; so the 
electrical engineers who implemented the processors in hardware also 
wrote the software. A fact I was very happy about. I wrote hex code for 
the Motorola 6800 and later I did a little for the 68000. I also wrote a 
fair amount of code in Pascal on a VAX computer. Pascal was all they had 
on that machine and they didn't want to buy another license.


Later when PCs became available in a form similar to those commonly in 
use today, I wrote useful code in Smalltalk, Lisp, Java. The first two 
were connected to an AI project I worked on. The Java was control code 
for a mechanism not for web pages. In the 1980s I was sent by one of the 
companies I worked for to take C classes. I took all classes, but then 
the project was canceled; so I never had a chance to use it. Things I 
learned in the C classes, like the ease with which memory leaks were 
created, lead be to have a strong aversion for it . I never pursued C 
after that.


Since I abandon Windows, about F16 ago, and started using Fedora, I've 
been writing in Python. I've always held the opinion that code should be 
well organized and easy to follow. After I wrote my first thousand lines 
of python I went and got the style guide and found to my satisfaction 
that my code, with one exception was compliant. I've never taken classes 
in Python; so I won't present myself as being ready to start writing 
Python for Fedora. Though I just purchased a course from the Teaching 
Company that uses Python for all the code work. I haven't started it yet 
so I can say more about it.


My tiny contributions to Fedora so far has been running the canned 
regression tests on Linux. I got a FAS account so I could submit the 
results, but since I haven't joined a group yet that was about all I 
could do. As I was think further about it it seemed like testing would 
be a good place to start.




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