Re: Update to last minute blocker bugs proposal (Rev:07242019)

2019-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-08-09 at 19:04 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-08-09 at 18:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-07-24 at 10:04 -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote:
> > > I got feedback from Adam and Ben today; so the following changes have 
> > > been made:
> > > 
> > > I have added a little paragraph at the beginning to say what a last 
> > > minute blocker bug is. I used freeze as the time anchor rather than a 
> > > meeting since that seems to be the most firm time constraint we work to. 
> > > Perhaps the review meetings could be anchored to the freeze as well. 
> > > There might be some merit to showing the critical meetings in the 
> > > schedule list that gets published.
> > > 
> > > I changed "team" to "stakeholder groups"
> > > 
> > > I removed "proposed" from places where it really didn't add anything.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Have a Great Day!
> > > 
> > >   Pat (tablepc)
> > 
> > Thanks Pat! For future drafts, can you please just send them as plain
> > text in line? It makes it more convenient to read them quickly. For the
> > record, here is Pat's proposal:
> 
> *snip*
> 
> OK, so here is a new draft based on a kind of merge of Pat's recent
> drafts and my earlier drafts. For the record, my previous draft was 555
> words, Pat's last draft is 258 words (without counting the paragraph
> numbers and without any wikitext like mine has), and this is 445 words.
> I think Pat's draft left out some necessary connective tissue, though
> (like what exactly this concept is *for*, and details on how exactly
> the review should be handled, and it kinda smooshed together the 'last
> minute' and 'difficult to fix' concepts), so I don't think I can cut
> much more.

OK, so based on the follow-ups here, I went ahead and merged this
draft, only with '7 days' changed to '5 days':

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=QA%3ASOP_blocker_bug_process&type=revision&diff=551137&oldid=503308

Thanks folks!

> +++ DRAFT START +++
> 
> === Exceptional cases ===
> 
> Generally speaking, any bug that is agreed to be a violation of the
> [[Fedora Release Criteria|release criteria]] should be accepted as a
> blocker bug for the next relevant milestone release. However, bearing
> in mind the [[Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle|Fedora life cycle's]] emphasis
> on '''both''' time '''and''' quality, in some cases we may make an
> exception. There are two main categories of bug that may be
> 'exceptional':
> 
> # '''Last minute blocker bugs''' - bugs proposed as blockers 7 days or
> fewer before the scheduled [[Go_No_Go_Meeting]] for a milestone release
> (Beta or Final) can be considered under this policy, as there are some
> circumstances in which we believe it is not sensible to delay an
> otherwise-impending release to fix a bug which would usually be
> accepted as a blocker if discovered earlier. In these circumstances,
> the bug can instead be accepted as a blocker for the ''next'' milestone
> release.
> # '''Difficult to fix blocker bugs''' - bugs which it may not be
> practical to fix within a reasonable time frame for the release to be
> made (due to e.g. complexity or resource constraints)
> 
> The stakeholder groups must first agree, following the procedures
> described above, that the bug violates the release criteria and so
> would otherwise be accepted as a blocker bug for the imminent release.
> 
> After that, the stakeholder groups may separately make a decision as to
> whether to invoke this policy and consider delaying the blocker status
> to a future milestone release. Anyone attending the meeting (or
> otherwise taking part in the discussion, if it is being done outside of
> a meeting) can suggest that this evaluation be done. In making the
> decision, the following factors can be considered:
> 
> * How prominently visible the bug will be
> * How severe the consequences of the bug are
> * How many users are likely to encounter the bug
> * Whether the bug could or should have been proposed earlier in the
> cycle
> * Whether the current stable release is affected by the bug
> * Whether delaying the release may give us an opportunity to carry out
> other desirable work
> * Possible effects of the expected delay on Fedora itself and also to
> downstream projects
> * Whether an additional delay to fix the bug, combined with any prior
> delays in the cycle, results in the total delay becoming unacceptable
> in regard to the [[Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle]]
> 
> In almost all 'exceptional' cases, the bug should be accepted as a
> blocker either for the very next milestone release, or for the
> equivalent milestone for the next release (if it would not violate the
> criteria for the very next milestone). For very complex '''difficult to
> fix''' cases, a longer extension may be needed.
> 
> +++ DRAFT END +++
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Daniel Walsh
On 8/29/19 3:15 PM, Dusty Mabe wrote:
>
> On 8/29/19 2:36 PM, Daniel Walsh wrote:
>> On 8/29/19 2:16 PM, Mairi Dulaney wrote:
>>> On Lùna 29, 2019 aig 10:33:09m -0400, sgrìobh Dusty Mabe:
 I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare 
 minimum
 start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This 
 is a suggestion
 after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].

 New section for Containers and Container tools:

 - A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
 - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
 registry as root
 - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
 registry as a non-root user

 As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container 
 (i.e. f30 for f31).
>>> Is Podman are only officially supported container runtime?
>>>
>>> What about, say, Docker?
>> We no longer ship Docker, You need to get that from the vendor.  We do
>> ship Moby.  But this is not ready for the cgroup change, nor is RUNC.
> I think to the user a lot of people consider shipping moby as the same thing
> as shipping docker. If you want docker you can still get it through moby.
Sure, But Docker INC would prefer us to call it Moby...
> Dusty 
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Dusty Mabe


On 8/29/19 2:36 PM, Daniel Walsh wrote:
> On 8/29/19 2:16 PM, Mairi Dulaney wrote:
>> On Lùna 29, 2019 aig 10:33:09m -0400, sgrìobh Dusty Mabe:
>>> I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare 
>>> minimum
>>> start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This 
>>> is a suggestion
>>> after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].
>>>
>>> New section for Containers and Container tools:
>>>
>>> - A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
>>> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
>>> registry as root
>>> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
>>> registry as a non-root user
>>>
>>> As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container 
>>> (i.e. f30 for f31).
>> Is Podman are only officially supported container runtime?
>>
>> What about, say, Docker?
> We no longer ship Docker, You need to get that from the vendor.  We do
> ship Moby.  But this is not ready for the cgroup change, nor is RUNC.

I think to the user a lot of people consider shipping moby as the same thing
as shipping docker. If you want docker you can still get it through moby.

Dusty 
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Daniel Walsh
On 8/29/19 2:16 PM, Mairi Dulaney wrote:
> On Lùna 29, 2019 aig 10:33:09m -0400, sgrìobh Dusty Mabe:
>> I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare 
>> minimum
>> start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This is 
>> a suggestion
>> after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].
>>
>> New section for Containers and Container tools:
>>
>> - A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
>> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
>> registry as root
>> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
>> registry as a non-root user
>>
>> As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container 
>> (i.e. f30 for f31).
> Is Podman are only officially supported container runtime?
>
> What about, say, Docker?
We no longer ship Docker, You need to get that from the vendor.  We do
ship Moby.  But this is not ready for the cgroup change, nor is RUNC.
> As for which container(s) should be runable, I'd think the criteria
> should mirror the current virt criteria, e.g., self hosting, and as a
> container-on-previous-release.  I also reckon we should mirror the
> virt criteria when it comes to a runtime, and 'recommend' a runtime
> rather than require a specific one.
>
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> Mairi Dulaney.
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Daniel Walsh
On 8/29/19 2:28 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 20:15 +0200, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote:
>> Could we go on a more generic fashion?
>>
>> Something like "Supported container engines must work on their basic
>> features on all the blocker deliverables were they are installed by
>> default" 
>>
>> Our supported engines are, podman? cri-o?
> We could, but I think it's only necessary if there are either a *lot*
> of criteria and/or we decide to have more than one.
>
> Matthew, Dusty, any thoughts on whether we would want to support any
> beyond podman? So far docker and cri-o have been brought up. My guess
> would be we'd probably want podman and not docker, but I'm not sure
> about cri-o...

Well CRI-O and Kubernetes are not ready for the CGRoupsV2 change, Nor is
Moby.

I would say podman and buildah should work.

We need changes upstream to get the other packages to be supported.

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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 20:15 +0200, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote:
> Could we go on a more generic fashion?
> 
> Something like "Supported container engines must work on their basic
> features on all the blocker deliverables were they are installed by
> default" 
> 
> Our supported engines are, podman? cri-o?

We could, but I think it's only necessary if there are either a *lot*
of criteria and/or we decide to have more than one.

Matthew, Dusty, any thoughts on whether we would want to support any
beyond podman? So far docker and cri-o have been brought up. My guess
would be we'd probably want podman and not docker, but I'm not sure
about cri-o...
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Mairi Dulaney
On Lùna 29, 2019 aig 10:33:09m -0400, sgrìobh Dusty Mabe:
> I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare 
> minimum
> start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This is 
> a suggestion
> after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].
>
> New section for Containers and Container tools:
>
> - A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
> registry as root
> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
> registry as a non-root user
>
> As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container 
> (i.e. f30 for f31).

Is Podman are only officially supported container runtime?

What about, say, Docker?

As for which container(s) should be runable, I'd think the criteria
should mirror the current virt criteria, e.g., self hosting, and as a
container-on-previous-release.  I also reckon we should mirror the
virt criteria when it comes to a runtime, and 'recommend' a runtime
rather than require a specific one.

--
Tapadh leabh,
Mairi Dulaney.
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Julen Landa Alustiza
Could we go on a more generic fashion?

Something like "Supported container engines must work on their basic features 
on all the blocker deliverables were they are installed by default" 

Our supported engines are, podman? cri-o?

On August 29, 2019 6:40:21 PM GMT+02:00, Matthew Miller 
 wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:45:44AM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote:
>> Certainly anywhere where podman is shipped on media. Does podman ship
>in the server DVD? yes [1]
>> It looks like workstation also ships it if I'm reading the logs [2]
>correctly.
>
>Yeah, it's needed for Toolbox, which is a vital feature for Silverblue
>but
>also one we want to encourage on general Workstation as well.
>
>Pretty sure it's also required for IoT.

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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:45:44AM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> Certainly anywhere where podman is shipped on media. Does podman ship in the 
> server DVD? yes [1]
> It looks like workstation also ships it if I'm reading the logs [2] correctly.

Yeah, it's needed for Toolbox, which is a vital feature for Silverblue but
also one we want to encourage on general Workstation as well.

Pretty sure it's also required for IoT.

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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Dusty Mabe


On 8/29/19 11:13 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 10:33 -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote:
>> I don't know the formal process for proposal 
> 
> Congratulations, you found it - mail this list, ideally including at
> least one of the strings 'criter' or 'propos'. :P
> 
>> but here is a shot at a bare minimum
>> start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This is 
>> a suggestion
>> after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].
>>
>> New section for Containers and Container tools:
>>
>> - A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
>> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
>> registry as root
>> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
>> registry as a non-root user
>>
>> As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container 
>> (i.e. f30 for f31).
> 
> Do you think this should apply to all release-blocking installs, or
> should it be specific to e.g. release-blocking cloud images?
> 

Certainly anywhere where podman is shipped on media. Does podman ship in the 
server DVD? yes [1]
It looks like workstation also ships it if I'm reading the logs [2] correctly.

Dusty 

[1] 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Server/x86_64/os/Packages/p/podman-1.5.1-2.16.dev.gitce64c14.fc31.x86_64.rpm
[2] 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/9101/37319101/anaconda-packaging.log
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 10:33 -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> I don't know the formal process for proposal 

Congratulations, you found it - mail this list, ideally including at
least one of the strings 'criter' or 'propos'. :P

> but here is a shot at a bare minimum
> start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This is 
> a suggestion
> after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].
> 
> New section for Containers and Container tools:
> 
> - A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
> registry as root
> - The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's 
> registry as a non-root user
> 
> As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container 
> (i.e. f30 for f31).

Do you think this should apply to all release-blocking installs, or
should it be specific to e.g. release-blocking cloud images?
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Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Dusty Mabe
> I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare 
> minimum
> start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. 

There is at least one deliverable that delivers podman in the image 
(Silverblue). Silverblue
isn't release blocking. I don't know if there are others that do ship podman 
and are release
blocking.
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Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-29 Thread Dusty Mabe
I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare 
minimum
start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This is a 
suggestion
after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in f31 [1].

New section for Containers and Container tools:

- A Fedora system can install the podman container runtime
- The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's registry 
as root
- The podman container runtime can pull/run a container from Fedora's registry 
as a non-root user

As for the container I'd suggest the previous fedora release's container (i.e. 
f30 for f31).


[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1737471#c22
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Fedora-Rawhide-20190829.n.0 compose check report

2019-08-29 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images.

Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check!
9 of 45 required tests failed, 6 results missing
openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** 
below
Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests:
MISSING: fedora.Workstation-boot-iso.x86_64.64bit - compose.install_default
MISSING: fedora.Workstation-boot-iso.x86_64.uefi - compose.install_default

Failed openQA tests: 30/152 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm)

New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190828.n.0):

ID: 438214  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso apps_startstop
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438214

Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190828.n.0):

ID: 438149  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438149
ID: 438150  Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default@uefi **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438150
ID: 438166  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso 
server_role_deploy_domain_controller **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438166
ID: 438167  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_realmd_join_kickstart 
**GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438167
ID: 438170  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso realmd_join_cockpit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438170
ID: 438171  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso realmd_join_sssd **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438171
ID: 438172  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_freeipa_replication_master
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438172
ID: 438173  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_freeipa_replication_replica
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438173
ID: 438174  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_freeipa_replication_client
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438174
ID: 438181  Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso modularity_tests
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438181
ID: 438183  Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438183
ID: 438184  Test: x86_64 Everything-boot-iso install_default@uefi **GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438184
ID: 438185  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default_upload 
**GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438185
ID: 438187  Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default@uefi 
**GATING**
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438187
ID: 438216  Test: arm Minimal-raw_xz-raw.xz 
install_arm_image_deployment_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438216
ID: 438218  Test: x86_64 Silverblue-dvd_ostree-iso install_default_upload
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438218
ID: 438220  Test: x86_64 Silverblue-dvd_ostree-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438220
ID: 438278  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_desktop_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438278
ID: 438280  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_server_domain_controller
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438280
ID: 438281  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_realmd_client
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438281
ID: 438283  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438283
ID: 438284  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_desktop_encrypted_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438284
ID: 438285  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_minimal_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438285
ID: 438287  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_desktop_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438287
ID: 438288  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_server_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438288
ID: 438289  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_2_desktop_encrypted_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438289
ID: 438292  Test: x86_64 universal install_european_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438292
ID: 438293  Test: x86_64 universal install_cyrillic_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438293
ID: 438294  Test: x86_64 universal install_arabic_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438294
ID: 438299  Test: x86_64 universal install_asian_language
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438299

Soft failed openQA tests: 1/152 (x86_64)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)

Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190828.n.0):

ID: 438282  Test: x86_64 universal upgrade_kde_64bit
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438282

Passed openQA tests: 101/152 (x86_64)

New passes (same test not passed in Fedora-Rawhide-20190828.n.0):

ID: 438209  Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_update_graphical
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/438209

Skipped gating openQA tests: 4/152 (x86_64)

Old skipped gating tests (s

two observations re: installing on dell precision tower 5810

2019-08-29 Thread Robert P. J. Day

  over last couple days, several installations of pre-release fedora
images 201908{26,28,29} on this dell tower have produced the following
two symptoms.

  first, this is a dual HD system and, when selecting the disk layout,
i would select both HDs, then select "I would like to make additional
space available," after which, on a number of occasions and almost
immediately, the install would hang and the screen would go blank. i
would not even get the chance to click "Done", the hang (if it
happened) invariably occurred within a second of clicking on the "I
would like to make additional space available" button. this happened a
number of times at precisely that point.

  and, second, i downloaded and tried intalling the 0828 and 0829
ISOs and, while the installation seemed to go fine, when i rebooted, i
invariably got, very quickly, an unhappy looking terminal and:

   Oh no! Something has gone wrong
A problem has occurred ...

rebooting made no difference -- the 28 and 29 images invariably failed
this way. going back to 0826 worked fine, so i'll stick with that for
now.

rday
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