Re: /boot on btrfs

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 11:18 AM Proprietary Chrome-chan <
theevilskele...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> `/boot` can be used on btrfs. However, Anaconda forces me to use ext4 in
> that specific, when it shouldn't if you use btrfs.
>
> I'd like to request allowing `/boot` to be used on btrfs.
>

You've gotten plenty of responses on the HOW TO but I'm more curious about
the WHY? :)

Personally if I was going to modify the default install behavior it would
be to make a decent size exFAT partition and combine /boot and /boot/EFI
and use systemd-boot. It's a way simpler boot process than GRUB.

I didn't know about it until I had trouble running Fedora on a Microsoft GO
Tablet and grub just didn't know how to boot it.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: External monitor via USB-C hub no longer works with F34

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:56 PM Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> I have an Anker USB-C hub which also has HDMI out. (This one:
>
> https://www.anker.com/products/variant/usb-c-hub,-7in1-usb-c-adapter/A83460A1
> )
>
> This "Just Worked™" when I plugged it in with F33.
>
> I updated my laptop to Fedora Workstation 34 today, and discovered that the
> monitor no longer is recognized. If I move to the laptop's own HDMI port,
> it
> works, but the USB-C one no longer shows up.
>

Have you tried running a F33 kernel?

Worst case you can downgrade because you made a btrfs snapshot first,
right? ;)

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Re: Need help with btrfs.

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 3:26 PM pmkel...@frontier.com 
wrote:

> I recall a long and detailed discussion on this list before F33 was
> released concerning what disk maintenance would be required with BTRFS.
> As I recall, the final word was along the lines the running Scrub and
> the other BTRFS utilities wouldn't be necessary since it was being set
> up so maintenance shouldn't be needed. There was also some hesitancy to
> call for running scrub because, depending on how often it's run Scrub
> can be hard on SSDs (they wear out faster).
>

>From what I can tell scrubbing only reads data and compares to the stored
checksum. Why would that wear out a SSD?

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Re: Self-introduction: Joydeep Sen Gupta

[Richard Shaw]

Sorry, gmail jumped with new messages as I was clicking on which email to
respond to. Please ignore.

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: Self-introduction: Joydeep Sen Gupta

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 2:53 PM Joydeep Sen Gupta 
wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I'm Joydeep Sen Gupta, an engineering student from India. I have a keen
> interest in Linux (user for more than 3 years) and absolutely LOVE Fedora
> (user since F28). I am now looking to contribute and be a part of the
> quality assurance group and have been actively participating in the various
> test days in the F33 development cycle and Bodhi update testing for various
> packages. Maybe badges is a good way to show that:
> https://badges.fedoraproject.org/user/joydeep :)
>
> I have also applied for a membership to the QA group and am super excited
> to be part of the team!
>

Joydeep,

I am the Fedora maintainer of fldigi, I'm not aware of any issues
installing fldigi on Fedora but if you can provide additional details (such
as from dnf) I'm more than happy to look into it.

Thanks,
Richard
KF5OIM
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Re: sort of related to Ryzen 3 performance and Rawhide

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 10:59 PM David  wrote:

> I do not know yet how to check other temperatures while in Fedora.
>

I really like the terminal application 'glances' for seeing what's going on
in my system.

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Re: AMD Ryzen purchasing question

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:16 PM murph nj  wrote:

> On a related note:  I recently built a 3700X machine, with my old,
> existing nVidia Ti750 card.  I've never been happy with the nVidia
> drivers.
>
> Can anyone recommend an AMD video card to replace it at a reasonable
> price?  ($150-200 US)
>

Hard to find it at this price now, but I got my AMD RX 580 on Ebay new for
$144 delivered.

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Re: AMD Ryzen purchasing question

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 8:48 PM David  wrote:

>
> If nobody cares, then I will just look for a good sale - which is likely
> going to be the Ryzen 5 3600.
>

Unless you plan on overclocking, I think the Ryzen 5 3600 provides the best
value at 65W TDP which is why I picked it (and the 2600 prior). My office
is already 10F higher than the rest of the house running Folding@Home on my
RX 580.

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Re: Testing with NVMe

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 4:03 PM pmkel...@frontier.com 
wrote:

>
> On 4/4/20 15:27, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:45 AM pmkel...@frontier.com <
> pmkel...@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > I'm not sure the having UEFI is the differentiator... I have a 6th gen I5
> > computer which boots UEFI fine but predates NVMe. On that one I use a
> > PCIEx4 adapter and have /boot and /boot/EFI on the HD and then the system
> > on the NVMe drive.
> >
>
> My test machine is a 4th gen. i5-4570. From what I can tell it wouldn't
> be able to boot to a NVMe on a PCI adapter.
>

Correct.



> I could get a NVMe set up on an adapter like I was originally thinking,
> but I do testing on Workstation-Live and I take the defaults for
> installation; so is there someplace where I can learn how to split the
> installation like you've done it with the /boot and /boot/EFI on the HD
> and the System on the NVMe?
>

You have to setup all the partitioning manually unfortunately.



> Then there is the question: Would testing Workstation set up like that
> would be of value to the project? I'm thinking there aren't many users
> set up like that. Also, it might be a confusion factor for any bugs I find.
>

Nope, I wouldn't bother testing it that way. I think in the original thread
you said you don't have a new enough computer that has M.2/NVMe built-in
correct? Kinda hard to test it then :)

If you really want to be able to then you'll need some newer hardware. If
$$$ is a problem, maybe an inexpensive micro-ATX and Athlon 200GE chip.

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Re: Testing with NVMe

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:45 AM pmkel...@frontier.com 
wrote:

> On 4/4/20 10:24, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:14 AM pmkel...@frontier.com <
> pmkel...@frontier.com>
> > wrote:
> > M.2 SSD's can come in SATA and NVMe variants.
> >
> > As far as USB 3.0, it's pretty fast and someone may want compact a M.2
> NVMe
> > SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure for convenience.
>
> I guess, but an ordinary SSD in an external box would do as well. USB 3
> is the limiting factor for speed. Though being able to boot might be an
> advantage for test. In this case I would ask what is it we really want
> to test, high speed access and data flow, or just ordinary operation
> like booting and normal use at desktop kind of speeds?
>

Can't say why manufacturing make 'em, but M.2 form is a little smaller than
a 2.5" drive...



> >   From the various conversations with the test folks over time, it seems
> >> many in the group test on laptops. Many of the newer lap tops have a
> >> connector on the motherboard that connects an NVMe to PCI-E. This and
> >> the above leads me to believe that the testing we want to do is with
> >> NVMe on PCI-E. That's what I'm planning at this time.
> >>
> >
> > Yes I think that would cover the vast majority of situations, but that
> > includes many desktops today too, not just laptops. I'm running a Samsung
> > 970 EVO on my Ryzen 5 2600 system.
> >
> >
>
> Is that your only "disk" for boot and whatever else you do?
>

I run it as my system drive with a 2TB drive dedicated to /home.



> > I have only desktops none of the ones I support have such a slot on the
> >> mother board. No worries; There are PCI-E adapter boards that NVMe
> >> modules can be plugged into then the board plugs into a standard PCI-E
> >> four channel slot. This is the route I'm planning to go.
> >>
> >
> > That should work for secondary storage (and testing) but frequently the
> > system can't boot from a NVMe add-in card because the BIOS doesn't
> support
> > it.
> >
>
> Well that's certainly another point to consider. Do you happen to know
> if UEFI supports it? I'll have to reboot my test machine later to see if
> there is anything that looks like it in the config. pages.
>

I'm not sure the having UEFI is the differentiator... I have a 6th gen I5
computer which boots UEFI fine but predates NVMe. On that one I use a
PCIEx4 adapter and have /boot and /boot/EFI on the HD and then the system
on the NVMe drive.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Testing with NVMe

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:14 AM pmkel...@frontier.com 
wrote:

>
> One thing that seems rather puzzling is that NVMe is offered in three
> different connection configurations. PCI-E, USB (with a USB connector),
> and SSD via SATA (with an SATA connector. Since multichannel PCI-E is
> very much faster that either USB or SATA I don't really understand why
> the USB and SATA options are offered. It seems a bit like having a car
> that's designed and built for racing and only driving it on city streets.
>

Are you sure you're not conflating M.2 and NVMe? From what I can tell NVMe
is only for storage whereas M.2 is primarily used for storage but there
are other types of M.2 cards.

M.2 SSD's can come in SATA and NVMe variants.

As far as USB 3.0, it's pretty fast and someone may want compact a M.2 NVMe
SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure for convenience.


 From the various conversations with the test folks over time, it seems
> many in the group test on laptops. Many of the newer lap tops have a
> connector on the motherboard that connects an NVMe to PCI-E. This and
> the above leads me to believe that the testing we want to do is with
> NVMe on PCI-E. That's what I'm planning at this time.
>

Yes I think that would cover the vast majority of situations, but that
includes many desktops today too, not just laptops. I'm running a Samsung
970 EVO on my Ryzen 5 2600 system.


I have only desktops none of the ones I support have such a slot on the
> mother board. No worries; There are PCI-E adapter boards that NVMe
> modules can be plugged into then the board plugs into a standard PCI-E
> four channel slot. This is the route I'm planning to go.
>

That should work for secondary storage (and testing) but frequently the
system can't boot from a NVMe add-in card because the BIOS doesn't support
it.


The complication is that there are different kinds of NVMe modules and
> the PCI-E boards have different configurations as well. At this point I
> think I will get a board for "M.2" modules and a module to go with it.
> There are still some points I want to investigate before I go ahead. I
> want read some of the module data sheets in detail to see if there are
> any GotYas that need to be considered. Also I want to see what the "raw"
> formatting of the module looks like and if it changes from brand to
> brand or with module capacity. My observation has been that
> manufacturers always want a "competitive advantage" and sometimes those
> "advantages" can turn into "let the buyer beware".
>
> In regard to actual procurement. Many of the modules require heat
> sinking most of the adapter boards provide at least some minimal
> provision for adding a heat sink. Others come complete with all required
> hardware for heat sinking. This gets a bit tricky. The modules provide
> the specifications necessary to calculate  temperature rise from modules
> heat dissipating surface. I still need to find an adapter card with the
> corresponding specifications. so a complete thermal analysis can be done.
>
> A final point of interest is that there are some NVMe modules that are
> being called SATA instead of just being called NVMe.


My google-fu may be failing me here, however there appear to be adapters,
but again I think you're conflating NVMe and M.2.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Memtest86+

[Richard Shaw]

My experience is that you need to change the bios to legacy and then it
works fine.

Thanks
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Re: Bug report #1804709

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:24 AM Adam Williamson 
wrote:

> On Wed, 2020-02-19 at 08:02 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:56 AM Soham Gumaste  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > (I hope this is the correct list)
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately not :)  This is the test list which is for unreleased
> version
> > of Fedora but your bug report is for Fedora 31 so the regular user list
> > would be a good place for general discussion.
>
> Sorry, no, I don't think that's correct.
>
> test@ is the QA team list. Discussion of testing of stable releases is
> perfectly on-topic here. The description of the list in Hyperkitty /
> Mailman is "For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases" - not
> just *pre* releases.
>

Well I guess I need to eat my words then :) But to be fair, I have seen the
same/similar statement made many times over the years...


>
> You *could* talk about this on the users list, but I don't think it's
> off topic here at all!
>

It's is much lower volume and may not be monitored as much as other lists...

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Bug report #1804709

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:56 AM Soham Gumaste  wrote:

> Hello,
> (I hope this is the correct list)
>

Unfortunately not :)  This is the test list which is for unreleased version
of Fedora but your bug report is for Fedora 31 so the regular user list
would be a good place for general discussion.

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Richard
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Re: Closing bug reports

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 7:15 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

>
> I personally really prefer comments in bugs over needinfo (which seems
> "pushy" to me? I am not sure why, but I think of needinfo as a
> escalation over just adding a comment. Sort of a 'hey! you never
> answered me, and I NEED INFO NOW'.
>

Well yes, they are "pushy" but to me that's the whole point. To be fair, I
will ask in a comment first, but if I don't get a response after a week or
two (for low priority stuff) then I'll do a NEEDINFO. It's way to easy to
ignore/gloss over BZ emails so sometimes something more direct is needed.

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Richard
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Re: regarding fedora contributor

[Richard Shaw]

Welcome Shiwani!

This is the test mailing list for soon to be released versions of Fedora
and is very low volume. I would recommend you reintroduce yourself on the
users list instead :)

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/us...@lists.fedoraproject.org/

Or if you plan to become a packager, join QA or infrastructure groups, etc
the devel list would be most appropriate.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/

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Re: Discussion: what would not blocking on btrfs look like?

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:48 PM Justin Forbes  wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:17 PM Adam Williamson
> > So...what should we do? Here are the options as I see 'em:
> >
> > 1. Keep supporting btrfs
> > 2. Just modify the criterion with a btrfs exception, even if it's weird
> > 3. Rewrite the criterion entirely
> > 4. Keep btrfs support in the installer (and blivet-gui) but hide it as
> > we used to - require a special boot argument for it to be visible
> > 5. Drop btrfs support from the installer
> >
> I would opt for 4 or 5, and would be in full support of 5.  I do not
> think that it can (or should) be dropped from the kernel, because we
> don't want to cut off existing users, and it can still be a useful
> filesystem for specific cases.
>

Would option 5 prevent people from doing fresh installs with existing btrfs
file systems from tying them in during the install process?

If so, I think 4 is the better option.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Problem with mcelog.service

[Richard Shaw]

mcelog is only for Intel, but it autostarts so you have to disable and mask
it, but letting it run (and fail) doesn't hurt anything...

FYI, you posted this to the test list but F30 is released :)

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Fedora Server and disk space

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 5:07 AM  wrote:

> I installed Fedora-Server-dvd-x86_64-30-20190415.n.2.iso, selecting
> Automatic storage configuration.
> Once installed, I spotted that the configured root partition is 15GB
> even if the disk is bigger.
>

I would guess it's on purpose. On Workstation it's 50GB (unless it's
changed in f30). I would think the assumption would be on a server you're
not going to install a bunch of big GUI applications so less space is
needed an can be reserved for other purposes.

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Richard
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Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

[Richard Shaw]

Tried on my Gigabyte AM4 X370 w/ AMD Ryzen 2600 and Nvidia GT1050

I got to GDM just fine but there was some weird jerkiness when I moused
over the "Try Fedora / Install" buttons but not when moving the mouse
cursor over the desktop area. I coped dmesg and journalctl to a separate
machine if it's needed.

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Richard
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Re: F29 / Rawhide - Bogus ssh host key mismatch errors mentioning "rsa-sha2-256"

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:22 AM Adam Williamson 
wrote:

> Hey folks! Just a heads up, if anyone on F29 or Rawhide finds that
> suddenly ssh connections are failing, claiming the host key does not
> match and asking for a 'rsa-sha2-256' key: a mysterious hero known only
> as 'sedrubal' figured out that this is caused by a crypto-policies
> update, this one -
>
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2018-854e0caf7b
>
> you can get back to normal by downgrading back to this build:
>
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1133273
>
> (for both F29 and Rawhide). We've got enough negative karma on the
> update now that it should be removed from updates-testing on the next
> push, but some folks will have got the update already. I'll ask tmraz
> if he can either fix it promptly or revert it temporarily, for Rawhide
> users.
>

This may not be limited to F29... I noticed this on F28 several weeks ago
and had to go in and remove entries from known_hosts...

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Re: proposal: drop optical media from release criteria

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:06 PM Fred Smith 
wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 08:42:13PM +0200, Julen Landa Alustiza wrote:
> >I keep an optical driver in a box under the desk, it might be useful
> >someday.
> >I haven't used it for years. So yeah, it's time to clean the box
>
> So, does this mean the images can can no longer be made to boot from
> optical media?
>

Please read the whole thread. This has been addressed multiple times
already. No one it taking away your ability to burn an iso, it is simply
removing the TESTING as a blocker for release.

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Re: proposal: drop optical media from release criteria

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:49 PM Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> Justification:
> http://newsthump.com/2018/05/21/man-decides-to-keep-box-of-cables-hes-has-since-2002-for-another-year/


Ouch, that stings just a little :) But yeah, I have burned an install disk
in years.

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Re: Fedora 29 Silverblue Test Day 2018-09-20

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Added it as a NOTE on the testdays page with screenshot.

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Re: Fedora 29 Silverblue Test Day 2018-09-20

[Richard Shaw]

This is my first time trying it out and I installed it in VirtualBox.

The only thing I noticed is that I pulled up Gnome Software and it showed
one update, which I clicked on it it shows one upgrade and one downgrade.
What was interesting is that it listed the exact same package multiple
times for both.

Is that a known issue? I have a screenshot if it helps...

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Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:52 AM Michael Schwendt 
wrote:

> The F28 reference installation with rpmfusion's nvidia driver packages
> (based on akmod I think) has stopped working all of a sudden, warns about
> falling back to nouveau and then crashes upon gdm login.
>

The errors messages are not helpful and it took me a while to figure out
but when I had that problem it's because my card was no longer compatible
with the latest drivers (GTS-450) and as soon as I downloaded one of the
older versions and rerun akmods it worked.

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Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 6:19 AM Michael Schwendt 
wrote:

> On a machine with GeForce GTX 1060, Fedora 28 suffers badly from freezes
> and
> slowdowns during boot, unbearable slow mouse movement on the GDM login
> screen, then more freezes before GNOME Shell appears but isn't really
> usable because everything is slow as a snail. Switching the login settings
> from Wayland to Xorg at least results in a usable GNOME Shell. Installing
> the Nvidia driver packages from rpmfusion hasn't made a difference.
>

I've had mostly good experiences while using the binary drivers from Nvidia
(with a few exceptions over the years). If it's still not working properly
with them there may be something else going on, but I'd like to know if you
figure it out because I'm looking to upgrade to a 1050Ti in the near future.

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Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 28 Candidate Beta-1.1 Available Now!

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Adam Williamson <adamw...@fedoraproject.org
> wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 13:13 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Adam Williamson <
> > adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 09:48 +, rawh...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > > > According to the schedule [1], Fedora 28 Candidate Beta-1.1 is now
> > > > available for testing.
> > >
> > > This is Beta RC1, folks, so please do help test it! So far as we're
> > > aware, all accepted blockers should be addressed in this compose.
> > > Please help fill out the matrices as much as we can. Thanks a lot!
> >
> >
> > Download links? I was planning on running from a USB stick as to not
> upset
> > my current 27 install.
>
> The validation pages, linked from the original mail, have download
> links.


Ok, there are a lot of links and "Test_Results" doesn't scream "download me
here".

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Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 28 Candidate Beta-1.1 Available Now!

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Adam Williamson <
adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-03-27 at 09:48 +, rawh...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > According to the schedule [1], Fedora 28 Candidate Beta-1.1 is now
> > available for testing.
>
> This is Beta RC1, folks, so please do help test it! So far as we're
> aware, all accepted blockers should be addressed in this compose.
> Please help fill out the matrices as much as we can. Thanks a lot!


Download links? I was planning on running from a USB stick as to not upset
my current 27 install.

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Re: F27 my problem with brasero-3.12.2-2.fc27

[Richard Shaw]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Joerg Lechner  wrote:

> Hi,
> try to burn a 1.2GB mp4 film onto a DVD or as iso to a foulder. Result
> only about 200MB a burned (readable) to the DVD and the source file of
> 1.2GB is cut also to about 200MB (same size as shown on DVD), the size of
> the burned 1.2GB film varied in 2 trials from about 80MB to about 200MB. To
> check wether it's my system or not, I made a new installation of F27, same
> error. F26 does not show this error ( brasero-3.12.1-5.fc26 )
>
> - brasero-3.12.2-2.fc27
> - Name : kernel
>   Version  : 4.15.4
>   Release  : 300.fc27
>   Arch : x86_64
>

I'm the current maintainer of the brasero package in Fedora but be aware
that it doesn't get a lot of attention upstream but I'm happy to work with
you to see if the problem can be fixed, however, you posted to the test
mailing list and Fedora 27 is released so it would be better to post to the
users list.

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Re: Rawhide, NVIDIA, Nouveau

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Russel Winder <rus...@winder.org.uk>
wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-02-15 at 11:07 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:
> >
> > […]
> >
> > Once I have got rid of all errant GL files I will remake an initramfs
> > with
> > dracut.
>
> Removed some more NVIDIA GL library detritus and reinstalled more mesa-
> ? packages and it cleared the ldd "missing files" and GDM works :-)
>
> Now I can switch off the non-debug kernel repo and use standard Rawhide
> kernels.
>
> > Thanks for emailing on this, the ideas and pointers are most, most
> > helpful.
>
> Thanks again, your emails were a great help in pushing me on.


I'm glad you got if figured out! I use the packages from RPM Fusion so I
can remove the packages and know it's gone but that's a luxury of running
F22 instead of Rawhide :) I only run that in a docker image!

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Re: Rawhide, NVIDIA, Nouveau

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Russel Winder <rus...@winder.org.uk>
wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-02-15 at 09:24 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:
> […]
> >
> > Not enough detail to give any specific help, but I would start with
> > looking
> > through the logs. Reboot to something working, even if it's console only
> > and do something like:
> >
> > # journalctl -b -1
> >
> > And look through to see if you can find a hint or smoking gun.
>
> I'd forgotten how much I hate journalctl.  35,000 messages in 3 minutes of
> a
> boot!
>
> Anyway, spurred on by your email (sorry for lack of data first time round,
> I
> was frustrated and annoyed, so terse) I sifted the output with grep and
> started at the beginning and:
>
> gdm-wayland-session fails due to lack of libnvidia-tls.so.358.16.
>
> Clearly I have missed cleaning up something to do with ld.so or something
> as
> gdm-wayland-session thinks the NVIDIA driver is still installed.
>
> If i try executing Xwayland from a command prompt I get the same message
> about libnvidia-tls.so.358.16 not being present.
>

The only things I can think of are double checking ld.conf? The  xorg
nvidia driver package that provides the tls library also provides these two
files... Something from them still lurking about?

$ rpm -ql xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-358.16-1.fc22.x86_64
/etc/ld.so.conf.d/nvidia-lib64.conf
/etc/prelink.conf.d/nvidia-lib64.conf
...

And a WAG to double check your initrd? And make sure all nvidia packages
are removed?

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Re: Rawhide, NVIDIA, Nouveau

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:18 AM, Russel Winder  wrote:

> I decided this morning (no idea why) to follow up on people saying "do
> not use the NVIDIA driver with Rawhide, just use Nouveau". So I
> uninstalled the NVIDIA driver, manually removed all the detritus the
> uninstaller just leaves behind, undid the blacklisting of nouveau,
> rebooted, created a new initramfs using dracut, and rebooted.
>
> The nouveau driver loads and everything seems fine, except that GDM
> doesn't do anything.
>
> I am clearly missing something very simple, has anyone any possible
> suggestions?


Not enough detail to give any specific help, but I would start with looking
through the logs. Reboot to something working, even if it's console only
and do something like:

# journalctl -b -1

And look through to see if you can find a hint or smoking gun.

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Re: Rawhide, kernels and NVIDIA

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Russel Winder  wrote:

> Since kernel 4.1.0, I have not been able to get an NVIDIA
> driver/support to compile and work on Rawhide. Either the download
> would not compile at all, or now it compiles but fails to work
> correctly. As far as I can tell (I may well be wrong) the beta 358.09
> is the only driver/support that compiles against kernels 4.2.0 and
> later.


I don't know how much this helps but I'm running 355.11 on Fedora 22 with a
4.2.5 kernel without issue on m GTS450...

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Re: how do i enable the updates-testing repo?

[Richard Shaw]

This may or may not have anything to do with your problem but it's one I
ran into with dnf...

I was trying to update a package I KNEW was in updates-testing (I pushed it
myself) but when I asked dnf to update it it gave me the Nothing to do
message.

After that I tried all the dnf clean metadata|all tricks and it still
wouldn't find the updated package. Then I tried dnf
--enablerepo=updates-testing list package and lo and behold it was there!

Then I released that because it was a library, and another package was
dependent on it, that it was refusing to update the package!

While that's certainly the correct behavior, the lack of any sort of USEFUL
message to the user is extremely confusing and frustrating.

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Re: how do i enable the updates-testing repo?

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote:

 On Dom, 2015-07-26 at 09:09 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
  While that's certainly the correct behavior, the lack of any sort of
  USEFUL message to the user is extremely confusing and frustrating.
 
 
 You could use --best :


I would expect silent behavior from a gui/automatic updates, but if a user
is specifically asking for something from the command line, shouldn't
--best be the default?

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Re: Gnutls 3??

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
 Nettle contains many pieces so I've taken an alternative approach to
 packaging it.

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=833573

Yes, I noticed the separate libraries but was doing a minimal packaging job.

I wonder, is the package name libnettle acceptable? Generally the
main package name needs to be the same as the upstream name, which is
just nettle.

Also, the Requires: on the sub-packages should probably be arch specific, i.e.:

Requires: %{name} = %{version}-%{release}
should be
Requires: %{name}%{?_isa} = %{version}-%{release}

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Re: Gnutls 3??

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
c...@omen.com wrote:
 The new version of the Pan newsreader wants gnutls 3
 but Fedora seems stuck on 2.12.

 Is there a plan to bring Fedora gnutls up to date?

 Can I compile gnutls 3 from sources and install on
 Fedora without throwing a spanner in the works?

No such luck for me. I tried updating to 3.0.9 and even went though
the patches to fix them but when I tried configure it failed due to
lack of libnettle which doesn't exist in Fedora and doesn't appear
to be optional anymore.

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Re: Gnutls 3??

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote:
 No such luck for me. I tried updating to 3.0.9 and even went though
 the patches to fix them but when I tried configure it failed due to
 lack of libnettle which doesn't exist in Fedora and doesn't appear
 to be optional anymore.

nettle was easy enough to package[1]... Took about 10 minutes, but I
don't have any real interest in maintaining it...

Someone want to pick it up?

I also got gnutls 3.0.9 to build[2] but it was pretty much brute
force. I fixed the patches where I could and removed the ones that
where the files no longer existed.

Richard

[1] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/nettle-2.4-1.fc16.src.rpm
[2] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/gnutls-3.0.9-1.fc16.src.rpm
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Re: Inadequate sound device control

[Richard Shaw]

I've been following this thread with interest so I did some searching
and found alsamixergui which is UGLY. I also found gnome-alsamixer for
Debian/Ubuntu. The upstream seems to be dead but Debian is keeping it
going, probably from lack of an alternative.

Between the SRPM from ATRPMs (Why is this not allowed in Fedora?), the
newer sources and patches from Debian, and a hour stolen from work
I've been able to cobble together a package that needs testing. I have
tested it over X11 forwarding though...

I've only built for F16 x86_64 so let me know if you need another release/arch.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/gnome-alsamixer-0.9.7-1.fc16.x86_64.rpm

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Re: Inadequate sound device control

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones
brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
 Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being
 used in the Qt Razor desktop which I hope will make it to Fedora someday

 [1] http://xwmw.org/qastools/

Trying it out now. If I like it I'll submit a Review Request.

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Re: Inadequate sound device control

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones
brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
 Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being
 used in the Qt Razor desktop which I hope will make it to Fedora someday

 [1] http://xwmw.org/qastools/

Try this:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/qastools/qastools-0.17.1-1.fc16.x86_64.rpm

I love packaging cmake projects because they're a lot easier for me to
fix if there's something wrong, but in this case all I had to do was
patch a few desktop files for desktop-file-validate. Nice clean
project overall!

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Re: Inadequate sound device control

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Brendan Jones
brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/17/2012 06:13 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Brendan Jones
 brendan.jones...@gmail.com  wrote:

 Qastools is coming to Fedora soon which is Qt based [1]. It is also being
 used in the Qt Razor desktop which I hope will make it to Fedora someday

 [1] http://xwmw.org/qastools/


 Try this:

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/qastools/qastools-0.17.1-1.fc16.x86_64.rpm

 I love packaging cmake projects because they're a lot easier for me to
 fix if there's something wrong, but in this case all I had to do was
 patch a few desktop files for desktop-file-validate. Nice clean
 project overall!

 Thanks,
 Richard


 Thanks Richard, looks good. If you submit it for review can you tag it with
 the FedoraAudio tracker? I can review it for you.

Will do.


 I had been trying out the Qt Razor repo (really slick lightweight DE - all
 cmake you'd be glad to know). There was talk of a Fedora spin none of it is
 the Fedora repos as yet as yet.

This looks neat. I'm currently using LXDE on my MythTV box to keep
things lightweight but development seems to be very slow...


 Your qastools is more complete going by the filelist.

Not sure why. I didn't do anything special, just let 'make install' do
it's work.

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Re: Inadequate sound device control

[Richard Shaw]

Review request submitted!

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=813420

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 18:31, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry yes! That's my updated version.

 I think it'd be nice if you could do a small txt explaining what you
 had to change, and then forward it to Matej, the person doing the
 builds at the fedorapeople url mentioned on the OP.

 I did a Google search:
 Matej Cepl mcepl (@) redhat ! com

Well I wouldn't consider my modifications upstreamable. It was
really just a quick hack. The right way would be to fix/work around
the autoconf errors but I just don't know autoconf well enough.

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 of which http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/rpms/ maintains Fedora RPMs for here
 http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/rpms/scribes-0.4-0.bzr2017r1032.1.el6.noarch.rpm

You're trying to install the el6 package which must ship with Python
2.6. Easiest solution is to download the source RPM instead and
rebuild it on your system:

http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/rpms/scribes-0.4-0.bzr2017r1032.1.el6.src.rpm

I took a look at the spec file for it and I didn't see anything
obvious that would make it fail on f17 but autoreconf is complaining.
I'm not much of an autoconf guru but I'll see if it's something easy.

On a side note it looks like scribes was added to Fedora some time ago
but I can't find it now so I assumed it was retired.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=189727

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Richard Shaw]

You can try this source RPM. For whatever reason the configure
shortcut doesn't work in F17 so autogen.sh needs to be run. Of course
this means that you end up running ./configure twice but it doesn't
hurt anything and it does build for F17 in mock for me.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/scribes-0.4-0.bzr2017r1032.2.fc16.src.rpm

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 18:15, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34775202/scribes-0.4-0.bzr2017r1032.2.fc16.src.rpm

 Is this a different version from the one at people.fedora.org??.
 Sorry I got confused by the dropbox url. Or did you edit/fix it and
 uploaded it there?

Sorry yes! That's my updated version.

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Re: blenderplayer, Field3D, OpenImageIO dependency issues

[Richard Shaw]

Should be fixed in -testing now!

Thanks,
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Re: blenderplayer, Field3D, OpenImageIO dependency issues

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wouldn't know which package to pick to file a bug report, so
 I thought I'd just mention it here.

No need to. I'm aware of the problem. I had thought that I hadn't
built OpenImageIO against Field3D yet but I had. Most of my packages
are unrelated so this is the first time I've run into having to tie
updates together and unfortunately I didn't do it right. If you really
want to get updates from testing then you can remove blenderplayer or
run yum with --skip-broken until I get it resolved.

Thanks,
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Re: VirtualBox and test releases

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Claude Jones
cjonesli...@tehogeeservices.com wrote:
 ...
 Then I followed Andre's suggestion and after a lot of fiddling and having to
 install gcc and its dependencies and other stuff, I finally got the GL
 module to build successfully; that's where I'm rebooting from now...so,
 let's see what we've got -

Although the interface is slow, I haven't had the same multi-minute
delays you speak of. Also, I've found that to build guest additions
all you need is:

$ yum install gcc kernel-headers kernel-devel make dkms

 this is pretty useless

I hope you figure out what the problem is!

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Re: Anyone with a colour PXL-capable printer able to test this?

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm trying to figure out if bug #709689 is due to a ghostscript bug or a
 firmware bug in the printer.  It would be really helpful if someone with
 a colour PXL-capable printer (see list below) could try the instructions
 here:
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709689#c16
 and report results.

I may have access to one of the HP color printers at work but today
I'm at another location. I'll be at my usual location tomorrow.

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Fedora 16 RC1 NetworkManager bug?

[Richard Shaw]

I just installed RC1 and when I have a live ethernet cable plugged in
I can not connect to wireless.

Steps to reproduce:
1. Boot with wired ethernet cable connected.
2. Wired left at defaulted to off
3. Attempt to connect to WPA2 wireless access point.

The connection attempt fails without asking for the passphrase.

If I disconnect the wired eithernet and choose my access point again
the wireless connection succeeds.

As an aside, it seems to take more time to make the wireless
connection than in the past...

Can anyone else confirm?

Thanks,
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Re: Fedora 16 RC1 NetworkManager bug?

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 07:54 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
 I just installed RC1 and when I have a live ethernet cable plugged in
 I can not connect to wireless.

 Steps to reproduce:
 1. Boot with wired ethernet cable connected.
 2. Wired left at defaulted to off
 3. Attempt to connect to WPA2 wireless access point.

 The connection attempt fails without asking for the passphrase.

 If I disconnect the wired eithernet and choose my access point again
 the wireless connection succeeds.

 As an aside, it seems to take more time to make the wireless
 connection than in the past...

 Not asking to be a smartass, cause I don't see how that's a bug.  Why
 would you even WANT to connect via wireless if the cable is plugged
 in?

Does it matter?

1. Instead of telling me what I'm doing wrong or just working I get
Connection Failed
2. Wired is OFF, it shouldn't matter if something is plugged in or not.

As far as to why you'd want to. What if you wanted to setup your
laptop as a wireless access point?

Now why wired defaults to OFF is another matter all together.


 And out of curiousity, what if you connected wirelessly THEN connected
 the network cable?

The network connection is dropped even though wired is still set to OFF.

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Re: 64bit FC14 can't input password when login

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Chen Gang-Cuble fou...@sina.com.cn wrote:
 Hi:

 After the last update, my 64bit FC14 can't login when start the graphic
 mode. In the login screen, there was a GOK Keyboard started, and the
 right half of the screen is totally black, which like a amplifier. After
 I choose the account, no matter the GOK Keyboard or my real key board
 can't input the password. No react to the keyboard at all.

 I tried to start the terminal, and removed the gok. After that, when
 going to the login screen, the GOK Keyboard will not start, but the
 amplifier still there make the right half black, when move the mouse,
 part of the contents will be zoom up on that part. Password still can't
 be input.

 Is there anyone knows the problem? Or how can I remove this amplifier
 and fix this graphic startup problem? Thank you!

First, this is the test list, and as Fedora 14 is oldest supported
release, questions should go to the regular user list.

To answer your question, Slow Keys probably got enabled[1]. I had that
happen to me once. Click the accessibility icon while in GDM and turn
it off.

Richard

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/758335
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Re: reboot after updates didn't work

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just applied latest f16 updates, had a whole bunch
 of files skipped due to dependency problems, but a
 vast number of updates applied OK.

 I then told system to reboot, the screen went totally
 black, and the reboot never happened.

 The only thing in the /var/log/messages file was the
 normal entry that says rsyslogd is exiting on signal
 15.

 I was able to boot back into f16 after power cycling
 the system, and all appears normal now (it will
 even reboot OK).

I've had this happen a couple of times on F15 on my desktop as well as
my wife's laptop... Hm.. I wonder if there's a BZ for it?

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Re: F16 Where?

[Richard Shaw]

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
c...@omen.com wrote:
 Does Fedora 16 exist yet separate from rawhide?
 If so, where can the files be downloaded from?
 Where are the installation ISOs?

I'm guessing just some patience is in order. There are 100 builds
pending in admin.fedoraproject.org/updates. Is this a mass rebuld for
F16?

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Re: RPMFusion not working for Fedora 15

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
c...@omen.com wrote:
 After installing RPMFusion and enabling it in sources, downloading vlc
 or ffpmeg fails:

 GPG key retrieval failed: [Errno 14] Could not open/read
 file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-15-x86_64
 fed

 After that (just now) I installed VLC on Fedora 14 and there were no
 complaints.

Even though I'm sure many of the RPMFusion admins monitor this list It
would be better to post this to the RPMFusion mailing list.

I recently became a RPMFusion packager and still don't understand the
inner workings but I know there was some effort to branch F15 on
RPMFusion as it was still using the devel branch. It's either not
complete yet or maybe something went wrong.

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Re: Feedback needed : Fedora 15 Announcement

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement

 Let me know if you have any comments.  Feel free to edit the wiki
 directly if needed.

I assume since btrfs is available without a special boot command that
it now has fsck? If so it might be a good thing to mention since I
think the lack of it has scared a lot of people off from trying it.

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Re: Feedback needed : Fedora 15 Announcement

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/19/2011 07:28 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
 On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_announcement

 Let me know if you have any comments.  Feel free to edit the wiki
 directly if needed.
 I assume since btrfs is available without a special boot command that
 it now has fsck? If so it might be a good thing to mention since I
 think the lack of it has scared a lot of people off from trying it.

 It has a limited fsck.  A more feature rich version is under active
 development and that is the only reason it is not the default filesystem
 yet.

Two questions:
1. Do we need a Fedora specific btrfs wiki page? (I think so)
2. If so, would now be a good time to start one?

One reason why: I've seen many references to converting an EXT3/4
volume to btrfs but I couldn't find any official documentation on how
to do it.

The only wiki pages I can find related to btrfs are:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Btrfs_in_Fedora_13
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemRollbackWithBtrfs

Which are standalone pages.

I'm not very experienced yet on the Fedora wiki system nor am I very
familiar with the wiki guidelines but I might be willing to volunteer,
assuming some guidance would be provided.

Thanks,
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Re: Feedback needed : Fedora 15 Announcement

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Sure. If you have a Fedora account, you can create

Yup, already a contributor.


 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Btrfs

So THAT'S how you create a new page... simple, and intuitive (if
you're not already used to looking for a link/button!)


 I did one for Ext4 when it was introduced

 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ext4_in_Fedora_11

 I can help out.  If you are on irc,  ping me.  I am mether in #fedora-devel

I'll look at creating the page when I'm home from work. I'm not on IRC
much but I may start a thread on the -devel list to generate some
discussion and content ideas.

Thanks,
Richard
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Re: Too much work for irq18

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Steven Stern
subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote:
 I don't recall seeing this during boot for F14...

 From DEMSG:

 [   42.001543] modem-manager[967]: info  (ttyS1) closing serial port...
 [   42.023151] modem-manager[967]: info  (ttyS1) serial port closed
 [   42.023301] modem-manager[967]: info  (ttyS2) closing serial port...
 [   42.045138] modem-manager[967]: info  (ttyS2) serial port closed
 [   42.045258] modem-manager[967]: info  (ttyS3) closing serial port...
 [   42.067966] serial8250: too much work for irq18

 There is a unused modem installed in this computer.  Is this merely an
 information message or is it a problem that needs to be addressed?

I ran into this after installing F14 on my dad's computer. The only
solution I found was to pull the modem...

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Re: Assistace to build gimp-2.7.2

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Then a little later I saw:
 + /usr/lib/rpm/check-buildroot
 + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-compress
 + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-strip-static-archive /usr/bin/strip
 + /usr/lib/rpm/brp-python-bytecompile /usr/bin/python 1
 + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-python-hardlink
 + /usr/lib/rpm/redhat/brp-java-repack-jars
 Processing files: gimp-2.7.2-1.fc15.x86_64
 error: File not found:
 /builddir/build/BUILDROOT/gimp-2.7.2-1.fc15.x86_64/etc/gimp/2.0/ps-menurc

 Perhaps some files either moved or are no longer part of the source?

 I could not find this file anywhere in BUILD or BUILDROOT so I'm
 guessing it's gone. Not sure if it's needed. To get by this error
 comment out line 400 of the spec file.

 Another issue, a macro minorver. I think it would be better to
 figure out how to pull this from the source rather than statically set
 it but it's currently set to 701 on line number 39 and needs to be
 incremented to 702, i.e.:

 %define minorver 702

 I'm building again but will probably go to bed before it finishes so
 I'll see if it completed or not in the morning.

The packages successfully built with the above changes but I have not
installed them for testing.

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Re: GNOME Shell frippery for grumpy old stick-in-the-muds Fedora 15 64Bit

[Richard Shaw]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Leslie S Satenstein
lsatenst...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I see that you were able to activate System Tools.  This menu entry does
 not appear in the fallback mode.  It does appear in alacarte (Menu editor),
 along with a preferences menu. But there are many items in the preferences
 menu that are not available in Fallback mode.  In particular,   I did not
 find gnome screensaver preferences.  Does your patch fix this problem?


Do you mean the System menu and not Applications-System Tools? At least
that's what I've noticed. I've got F15 64bit installed in virtualbox and
apparently the VB video driver is not compatible with Gnome 3 or I have
something set wrong. Either way I have no System menu on the top panel.

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Re: effect of xz compression change on deltaiso users

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Andre Robatino
robat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 Richard Shaw hobbes1069 at gmail.com writes:

 I assume if I can get a F15 TC virtual machine installed and working
 that I could just use the VM to apply the diso's?

 That's correct. Of course, the VM is less efficient than bare metal, and since
 I'm too chicken to install test releases on bare metal, I'll be using a 
 modified
 F14 system to build and test the F15 disos, until F15 Final. The modification 
 is
 pretty easy if you've already saved all the needed RPMs in a directory.

Hmm... In that case I may just install a F14 virtual machine and leave
it modified just for this purpose. Not worried about efficiency, I'll
just leave it going in the background.

Thanks,
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Re: F14 cpuspeed / ondemand broken?

[Richard Shaw]

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Steven Haigh net...@crc.id.au wrote:
 On 24/12/2010 4:59 PM, Steven Haigh wrote:
 I've been trying to nut out an issue with cpuspeed on a Fedora14 box...

 It seems when cpuspeed is started, it clocks the frequency back to the
 lowest available (350Mhz in my case), and there it stays.

 If I do something to create CPU load ( while true; do true; done ) then
 the CPU fails to be clocked back up to max frequency. In fact, no matter
 what I do on that box the CPU doesn't move from 350Mhz...

 To get the system back to 2.8Ghz I need to rmmod the p4-clockmod module.

 I thought this might have been something silly with the thresholds so I
 set UP_THRESHOLD and DOWN_THRESHOLD manually in /etc/sysconfig/cpuspeed
 - however then when starting cpuspeed I see:

 # /etc/init.d/cpuspeed restart
 Disabling performance cpu frequency scaling: [ OK ]
 /etc/init.d/cpuspeed: line 86:
 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold: No such file
 or directory
 /etc/init.d/cpuspeed: line 86:
 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold: No such file
 or directory
 Enabling ondemand cpu frequency scaling: [ OK ]

 Kernel version is:
 # cat /proc/version
 Linux version 2.6.35.6-45.fc14.i686
 (mockbu...@x86-16.phx2.fedoraproject.org) (gcc version 4.5.1 20100924
 (Red Hat 4.5.1-4) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Mon Oct 18 23:56:17 UTC 2010

 Anyone have any ideas on this? :\


 This gets even more interesting!

 # cpufreq-info
 cpufrequtils 008: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004-2009
 Report errors and bugs to cpuf...@vger.kernel.org, please.
 analyzing CPU 0:
   driver: p4-clockmod
   CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 0
   CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 0
   maximum transition latency: 10.00 ms.
   hardware limits: 350 MHz - 2.80 GHz
   available frequency steps: 350 MHz, 700 MHz, 1.05 GHz, 1.40 GHz, 1.75
 GHz, 2.10 GHz, 2.45 GHz, 2.80 GHz
   available cpufreq governors: ondemand, userspace, performance
   current policy: frequency should be within 350 MHz and 2.80 GHz.
                The governor performance may decide which speed to use
                within this range.
   current CPU frequency is 2.80 GHz (asserted by call to hardware).
 analyzing CPU 1:
   driver: p4-clockmod
   CPUs which run at the same hardware frequency: 1
   CPUs which need to have their frequency coordinated by software: 1
   maximum transition latency: 10.00 ms.
   hardware limits: 350 MHz - 2.80 GHz
   available frequency steps: 350 MHz, 700 MHz, 1.05 GHz, 1.40 GHz, 1.75
 GHz, 2.10 GHz, 2.45 GHz, 2.80 GHz
   available cpufreq governors: ondemand, userspace, performance
   current policy: frequency should be within 350 MHz and 2.80 GHz.
                The governor performance may decide which speed to use
                within this range.
   current CPU frequency is 2.80 GHz (asserted by call to hardware).

 Ok, so it thinks its using the performance governor - even though the
 config files for cpuspeed say to use ondemand..

 # cpufreq-set -g ondemand
 # echo $?
 0

 Now it should have set ondemand as the governor.

 # cpufreq-info | grep governor
   available cpufreq governors: ondemand, userspace, performance
                The governor performance may decide which speed to use
   available cpufreq governors: ondemand, userspace, performance
                The governor performance may decide which speed to use

 Interesting. No change at all.

I wish I could find the site where I got this information as my
recollection of it is a bit hazy but part of your problem may be that
the p4-clockmod and ondemand are more or less incompatible. I remember
reading something on kerneltrap or something. Basically the latency of
changing frequencies are so bad with p4-clockmod that ondemand gives
up on it or something like that. I think I could force it to work on
my Celeron based EEEPC by manually setting the governor something like
this[1]:

---
Using Frequency Scaling Governors

You can get a list of available governors with (as root):
# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
conservative ondemand powersave userspace performance

Note: If the governors are compiled as modules, load them first:
# modprobe cpufreq_performance cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_conservative
cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace

Now we set our governor: What is our current governor?
# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
userspace

Set new governor and watch if it has changed
# echo conservative  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
conservative

Congrats! Your governor is active.
You may set the governor in your rc.local, to make it used on every boot.
---

Richard

[1] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling
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Re: Grrr... modprobe.conf

[Richard Shaw]

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 So, if this bug is valid as described it's a significant security issue.
 However, I'm not sure it's simple. I've just checked, and none of my F14
 test spins (basically RC2) have a modprobe.conf booted live. The clean
 installed system from the desktop live image that I have in my test VM
 currently doesn't have one either. Neither does my 'work' system itself.

 If it's dracut as you surmise, it may perhaps happen only on installing
 a kernel after initial install. I guess also it may only happen when
 installing from non-live media. We should definitely look into this
 urgently.

 What's the last-touched date of your /etc/modprobe.conf ? Do you know
 when that is in relation to the lifetime of the install?

I have some anecdotal evidence. I installed F13 (x86_64) on my dad's
computer this weekend. I did not see the empty modprobe.conf until
after I did a kernel update. The only packages I updated was the
kernel and the firmware package at that time.

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Blank screen in Virtualbox after Running anaconda...

[Richard Shaw]

Ever since the kernel panic problem was fixed (TC 2?) I could only get
as far as the Running anaconda... even up to current RC4. After that
I just get a blank screen and no further disk activity. I tried the
basic video driver boot option but the results are the same.

Host:
F13 x86_64
VirtualBox 3.2.8

Virtualbox log below.

Richard

### Begin Log ###
00:00:00.359 VirtualBox 3.2.8 r64453 linux.amd64 (Aug  5 2010
14:59:11) release log
00:00:00.359 Log opened 2010-08-15T15:03:25.31217Z
00:00:00.359 OS Product: Linux
00:00:00.359 OS Release: 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.x86_64
00:00:00.359 OS Version: #1 SMP Fri Jul 23 17:14:44 UTC 2010
00:00:00.359 DMI Product Name: GA-MA770-UD3
00:00:00.359 DMI Product Version:
00:00:00.360 Host RAM: 3961MB RAM, available: 3198MB
00:00:00.360 Executable: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox
00:00:00.360 Process ID: 30987
00:00:00.360 Package type: LINUX_64BITS_FEDORA_13
00:00:00.441 SUP: Loaded VMMR0.r0 (/usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMR0.r0) at
0xa0caea20 - ModuleInit at a0cc33f0 and ModuleTerm at
a0cc33d0
00:00:00.441 SUP: VMMR0EntryEx located at a0cc32f0,
VMMR0EntryFast at a0cc2460 and VMMR0EntryInt at
a0cc2290
00:00:00.484 File system of
'/home/richard/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/Fedora Test.vdi' is ext4
00:00:00.505 VBoxSharedClipboard mode: Bidirectional
00:00:00.508 * CFGM dump *
00:00:00.508 [/] (level 0)
00:00:00.508   CSAMEnabled integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   EnablePAE   integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   HwVirtExtForced integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   MemBalloonSize  integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   Namestring  = Fedora Test (cb=12)
00:00:00.508   NumCPUs integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   PATMEnabled integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   PageFusion  integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   RamHoleSize integer = 0x2000 (536870912)
00:00:00.508   RamSize integer = 0x2000 (536870912)
00:00:00.508   RawR0Enabledinteger = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   RawR3Enabledinteger = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   SyntheticCpuinteger = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   TimerMilliesinteger = 0x000a (10)
00:00:00.508   UUIDbytes   = 29 a2 50 73 6e 29 0f 45 90
2f 5e cd 86 bf c2 d0 (cb=16)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/CPUM/] (level 1)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/] (level 1)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/8237A/] (level 2)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/8237A/0/] (level 3)
00:00:00.508   Trusted integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/AudioSniffer/] (level 2)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/AudioSniffer/0/] (level 3)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/AudioSniffer/0/Config/] (level 4)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/AudioSniffer/0/LUN#0/] (level 4)
00:00:00.508   Driver string  = MainAudioSniffer (cb=17)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/AudioSniffer/0/LUN#0/Config/] (level 5)
00:00:00.508   Object integer = 0x7f73780024b0 (140133911241904)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/] (level 2)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/0/] (level 3)
00:00:00.508   PCIDeviceNo   integer = 0x0004 (4)
00:00:00.508   PCIFunctionNo integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   Trusted   integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/0/Config/] (level 4)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/0/LUN#0/] (level 4)
00:00:00.508   Driver string  = HGCM (cb=5)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/0/LUN#0/Config/] (level 5)
00:00:00.508   Object integer = 0x7f73780029b0 (140133911243184)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/0/LUN#999/] (level 4)
00:00:00.508   Driver string  = MainStatus (cb=11)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/VMMDev/0/LUN#999/Config/] (level 5)
00:00:00.508   First   integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   Lastinteger = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   papLeds integer = 0x7f7378001680 (140133911238272)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/acpi/] (level 2)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/acpi/0/] (level 3)
00:00:00.508   PCIDeviceNo   integer = 0x0007 (7)
00:00:00.508   PCIFunctionNo integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   Trusted   integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508
00:00:00.508 [/Devices/acpi/0/Config/] (level 4)
00:00:00.508   CpuHotPlug  integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   FdcEnabled  integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   HpetEnabled integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   IOAPIC  integer = 0x (0)
00:00:00.508   NumCPUs integer = 0x0001 (1)
00:00:00.508   RamHoleSize integer = 0x2000 (536870912)
00:00:00.508   RamSize integer = 0x2000 (536870912)
00:00:00.508   ShowCpu integer = 0x