Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-29 Thread Dennis Gilmore
It will be using anaconda as soon as we get the support merged. But you always 
have vnc.
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Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:

On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 20:26 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Scott Poore spo...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  No text mode installs at all? That seems like a pretty critical function to 
  me.
 
 exactly, many ARM releases depend on interactive install using a rs232
 connection as terminal.

ARM doesn't use anaconda for deployment.

dlehman says there's a good chance text mode will actually make it for
f18, waiting on clumens for further details.
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[criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Petr Schindler
Because of changes in new anaconda [1] and after short discussion with
Chris Lumens, I propose to delete this beta [2] criterion:

'The installer must be able to complete an installation using the serial 
console interface'

Reason (according to Chris): (This criterion) will need to be removed for this 
release, 
given that there will be no text mode interface temporarily.

Please, if you have some suggestions or notes reply to this thread. If
there won't be any objections I'll make changes during next week.

Petr Schindler

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewInstallerUI
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Beta_Release_Criteria


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Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Scott Poore
- Original Message -
 Because of changes in new anaconda [1] and after short discussion
 with
 Chris Lumens, I propose to delete this beta [2] criterion:
 
 'The installer must be able to complete an installation using the
 serial console interface'
 
 Reason (according to Chris): (This criterion) will need to be removed
 for this release,
 given that there will be no text mode interface temporarily.

No text mode installs at all?  That seems like a pretty critical function to 
me.  

Is there some new functionality (sorry, I haven't looked into upcoming anaconda 
changes yet) that replaces this?

How can an admin install on a server they have to use a remote console system 
for?  Doesn't that also negate the use of iLO's, RSA's and the like?

Maybe I'm just missing something.  VNC maybe?

Couldn't that also affect current kickstart configs used for some testing 
automation?  Maybe not?

Regards,
Scott

 
 Please, if you have some suggestions or notes reply to this thread.
 If
 there won't be any objections I'll make changes during next week.
 
 Petr Schindler
 
 [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewInstallerUI
 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Beta_Release_Criteria
 
 
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Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Robyn Bergeron

On 07/27/2012 11:11 AM, Scott Poore wrote:

- Original Message -

Because of changes in new anaconda [1] and after short discussion
with
Chris Lumens, I propose to delete this beta [2] criterion:

'The installer must be able to complete an installation using the
serial console interface'

Reason (according to Chris): (This criterion) will need to be removed
for this release,
given that there will be no text mode interface temporarily.

No text mode installs at all?  That seems like a pretty critical function to me.

Is there some new functionality (sorry, I haven't looked into upcoming anaconda 
changes yet) that replaces this?

How can an admin install on a server they have to use a remote console system 
for?  Doesn't that also negate the use of iLO's, RSA's and the like?

Maybe I'm just missing something.  VNC maybe?

Couldn't that also affect current kickstart configs used for some testing 
automation?  Maybe not?
I think most of these questions got answered at the FESCo meeting where 
the feature was approved.


http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-14/fesco.2012-05-14-17.00.log.html 
(search for 853, which is the ticket #)




Regards,
Scott


Please, if you have some suggestions or notes reply to this thread.
If
there won't be any objections I'll make changes during next week.

Petr Schindler

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewInstallerUI
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Beta_Release_Criteria


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Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Scott Poore
- Original Message -
 From: Robyn Bergeron rberg...@redhat.com
 To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 1:15:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [criteria update] Serial console
 
 I think most of these questions got
 answered at the FESCo meeting where the feature was approved.
 
 http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-14/fesco.2012-05-14-17.00.log.html
 (search for 853, which is the ticket #)
 

Robyn, that does answer most of my questions.  Thanks.

So, should a requirement be added to test install via VNC? 

And, could this one be listed as Deferred like mentioned in another anaconda 
thread?

Thanks,
Scott




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Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 16:26 -0400, Scott Poore wrote:
 - Original Message -
  From: Robyn Bergeron rberg...@redhat.com
  To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
  Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 1:15:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [criteria update] Serial console
  
  I think most of these questions got
  answered at the FESCo meeting where the feature was approved.
  
  http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-05-14/fesco.2012-05-14-17.00.log.html
  (search for 853, which is the ticket #)
  
 
 Robyn, that does answer most of my questions.  Thanks.
 
 So, should a requirement be added to test install via VNC? 
 
 And, could this one be listed as Deferred like mentioned in another 
 anaconda thread?

We already do VNC testing:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC_Vncconnect
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Anaconda_User_Interface_VNC_Password

these are all listed as Alpha level tests, meaning they are required to
be performed for Alpha, Beta and Final validation testing.
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Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Scott Poore spo...@redhat.com wrote:

 No text mode installs at all?  That seems like a pretty critical function to 
 me.

exactly, many ARM releases depend on interactive install using a rs232
connection as terminal.

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Re: [criteria update] Serial console

2012-07-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 20:26 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Scott Poore spo...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  No text mode installs at all?  That seems like a pretty critical function 
  to me.
 
 exactly, many ARM releases depend on interactive install using a rs232
 connection as terminal.

ARM doesn't use anaconda for deployment.

dlehman says there's a good chance text mode will actually make it for
f18, waiting on clumens for further details.
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