Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:38:50 -0500
Fred Smith  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:42:53PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 11:35 -0800, Joshua Andrews wrote:  
> > > Suddenly my message filters stopped working. I've been using
> > > "X-BeenThere:" in the message headers to filter list emails. Do I
> > > need to create new filters, has X-BeenThere been obsoleted?  
> > 
> > This is probably to do with the mailman3 update. I'd recommend using
> > the 'List-id' header for mailing list identification purposes; that
> > header is actually defined in an RFC - RFC2919 - so all mailing list
> > software should produce it.  
> 
> do we know if the fedora users list (or, for that matter, any of the
> CentOS lists) will be making the same change? I note, when working on
> my .procmailrc to handle this change, that I also have all those lists
> set up to use X-BeenThere:. (It'd be nice to not have them all
> appearing in the wrong place, all of a sudden! :))

The users list will be making this change soon yes. 

You would have to ask the centos folks about those lists. 

kevin



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Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Peter Gordon]

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On 11/28/2015 07:38 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:42:53PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> This is probably to do with the mailman3 update. I'd recommend using
>> the 'List-id' header for mailing list identification purposes; that
>> header is actually defined in an RFC - RFC2919 - so all mailing list
>> software should produce it.
> 
> do we know if the fedora users list (or, for that matter, any of the
> CentOS lists) will be making the same change? [...]

Fedora's lists have used the List-Id header for as long as I can
remember. In general, it seems that each list address of the form

mailing-list-n...@lists.fedoraproject.org

has a List-Id in each of its message headers that has the list
description and ends with



Hope that helps.
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Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 11/23/2015 08:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:50:00 -0500 Stephen Gallagher
>  wrote:
> 
>> A similar and more annoying problem is that mailman 3 lost the 
>> X-List-Administrivia header (and didn't replace it with anything
>> at all), so all list administrators have no simple way to filter
>> out the moderation queue messages.
> 
> Thankfully you filed an issue on this:
> 
> https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/164
> 
> :)
> 

How clever of me! (Actually, I forgot that I filed it; when I wrote
that email, I was thinking to myself "I really need to get that filed
upstream"...)

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Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Joshua Andrews]

Suddenly my message filters stopped working. I've been using "X-BeenThere:"
in the message headers to filter list emails. Do I need to create new
filters, has X-BeenThere been obsoleted?
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Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 11/23/2015 04:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:42:53 -0800 Adam Williamson
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 11:35 -0800, Joshua Andrews wrote:
>>> Suddenly my message filters stopped working. I've been using 
>>> "X-BeenThere:" in the message headers to filter list emails. Do
>>> I need to create new filters, has X-BeenThere been obsoleted?
>>> 
>> 
>> This is probably to do with the mailman3 update. I'd recommend
>> using the 'List-id' header for mailing list identification
>> purposes; that header is actually defined in an RFC - RFC2919 -
>> so all mailing list software should produce it.
> 
> Yep. X-BeenThere has been deprecated since 2007. ;(
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman3_Migration#Email_filters
> 

A similar and more annoying problem is that mailman 3 lost the
X-List-Administrivia header (and didn't replace it with anything at
all), so all list administrators have no simple way to filter out the
moderation queue messages.

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Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:50:00 -0500
Stephen Gallagher  wrote:

> A similar and more annoying problem is that mailman 3 lost the
> X-List-Administrivia header (and didn't replace it with anything at
> all), so all list administrators have no simple way to filter out the
> moderation queue messages.

Thankfully you filed an issue on this: 

https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/164 

:) 

kevin


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Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 11:35 -0800, Joshua Andrews wrote:
> Suddenly my message filters stopped working. I've been using "X-BeenThere:"
> in the message headers to filter list emails. Do I need to create new
> filters, has X-BeenThere been obsoleted?

This is probably to do with the mailman3 update. I'd recommend using
the 'List-id' header for mailing list identification purposes; that
header is actually defined in an RFC - RFC2919 - so all mailing list
software should produce it.
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Re: Off Topic -- "X-BeenThere: " missing from list message headers.

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:42:53 -0800
Adam Williamson  wrote:

> On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 11:35 -0800, Joshua Andrews wrote:
> > Suddenly my message filters stopped working. I've been using
> > "X-BeenThere:" in the message headers to filter list emails. Do I
> > need to create new filters, has X-BeenThere been obsoleted?  
> 
> This is probably to do with the mailman3 update. I'd recommend using
> the 'List-id' header for mailing list identification purposes; that
> header is actually defined in an RFC - RFC2919 - so all mailing list
> software should produce it.

Yep. X-BeenThere has been deprecated since 2007. ;( 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman3_Migration#Email_filters

kevin


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