Re: fc40 beta kernel update to 6.8.5-301 produces errors

2024-04-16 Thread John Clem
Thanks Samuel.  I know those first commands you referenced are not equivalent. 
Adam's note above helps me understand I should use a different approach for 
elements in testing.

Re: the up/down grading of packages.  It seems this is due to my above 
approach.  I downloaded a beta, but then treated it as released sw as far as 
trying to keep things up-to-date.  My approach got me in a weird state.

Closing.
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Re: fc40 beta kernel update to 6.8.5-301 produces errors

2024-04-16 Thread John Clem
Thanks Adam...very helpful!  I'll keep that in mind for running prereleases or 
components otherwise in testing.
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Re: fc40 beta kernel update to 6.8.5-301 produces errors

2024-04-14 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 4/14/24 16:32, J C wrote:

Hi all, used Fedora a while, but my first thing to report so apologies if I 
don't get process right here.  Trying to give the feedback to help make a 
better Fedora for all of us...

Updated the subject fedora workstation today and got some errors.  Copying the 
terminal contents here for reference.

Seems some missing file and library errors in addition to some things for 
gnome-remote-desktop and systemctrl.

`~$ sudo dnf check-update
~$ sudo dnf distro-sync -y


These are not equivalent commands and that is not exactly an update.


Downgrade  181 Packages


What were you running before that was so far ahead?  That's a lot of 
downgrades.  I assume the errors are most likely related to that.

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Re: fc40 beta kernel update to 6.8.5-301 produces errors

2024-04-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2024-04-14 at 23:32 +, J C wrote:
> Hi all, used Fedora a while, but my first thing to report so apologies if I 
> don't get process right here.  Trying to give the feedback to help make a 
> better Fedora for all of us...
> 
> Updated the subject fedora workstation today and got some errors.  Copying 
> the terminal contents here for reference.  
> 
> Seems some missing file and library errors in addition to some things for 
> gnome-remote-desktop and systemctrl.
> 
> `~$ sudo dnf check-update
> ...
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:06:30 ago on Sun 14 Apr 2024 04:52:10 PM 
> MDT.
> 
> kernel.x86_64   
> 6.8.5-301.fc40  fedora
> kernel-core.x86_64  
> 6.8.5-301.fc40  fedora
> kernel-modules.x86_64   
> 6.8.5-301.fc40  fedora
> kernel-modules-core.x86_64  
> 6.8.5-301.fc40  fedora
> kernel-modules-extra.x86_64 
> 6.8.5-301.fc40  fedora
> ~$ sudo dnf distro-sync -y

So, the problem likely isn't anything to do with the kernel, it's
because you did a distro-sync, after upgrading from the fedora-repos
that has updates-testing enabled (which is how we want things through
most of the pre-release cycle) to the fedora-repos that has updates-
testing disabled (which is how we want things for release and after).
This means you wind up with a lot of downgrades, because you have
packages from updates-testing installed, but now it's disabled. It's an
unfortunate recurring issue, but I can't see an obvious way to resolve
it.

Downgrades aren't generally as tested or reliable as upgrades, so yeah,
this can cause problems. The usual ways to avoid the problem are: re-
enable updates-testing after the fedora-repos update that disables it
(if you're fine with continuing to help test updates), or wait for the
final release freeze to lift shortly before release (whereupon most of
the updates that are currently stuck behind the freeze will go stable
and you mostly won't get any downgrades when doing distro-sync any
more). And, of course, you can just use `dnf update` or `dnf upgrade`
instead of `distro-sync` while we're in this state.

Sorry for the trouble!
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