Re: Updating the applications and launchers policy

[Michael Catanzaro]

At today's blocker meeting, Stephen suggested that this rule is somewhat out of 
place in our applications and launchers policy, which is a fair point. We 
decided to go with his suggestion instead, which is to not modify any policy 
and simply declare it a blocker.
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Re: Updating the applications and launchers policy

[Kamil Paral]

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Stephen Gallagher 
wrote:

> On 05/22/2017 10:13 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Currently we have the following as a final blocker criterion:
> >
> > "All applications installed by default in Fedora Workstation must comply
> with each MUST and MUST NOT guideline in the Applications and Launchers
> policy."
> >
> > That policy is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Guidelines/
> Applications_and_Launchers
> >
> > We recently noticed that we don't have an available blocker criterion to
> deal with issues where an application unexpectedly appears in the default
> install. In particular, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
> show_bug.cgi?id=1449752 which has prompted this. We want the blivet-gui
> package maintainers to either create a subpackage for its desktop file, or
> otherwise figure something out to prevent blivet-gui from appearing as an
> application in our default install. The package maintainers do not want to
> do this, so we want a blocker criterion to force a resolution. I see two
> easy solutions here:
> >
> >  * We could add a new blocker criterion that explicitly says the
> Workstation WG gets to decide which applications are installed by default.
> >  * We could add that as a MUST guideline to our applications and
> launchers policy, since there is already a blocker criterion that covers
> that.
>

I think adding it to the policy is fine. However, please note that you
should either maintain a list of approved applications on the wiki, so that
we can check it from time to time, or you need to police that yourselves
and let us know (propose a blocker) when something like that happens (the
latter is better for us, of course).


> >
> > I'm planning to do the later and then propose this blivet-gui bug as a
> blocker. Is the QA team OK with this course of action? Do you prefer to
> just add a new criterion?
>
> I can't seem to find the original decision (it's been a few years of
> meetings
> now), but I'm pretty sure that FESCo actually ruled that the WGs have the
> right
> to declare a blocker to their Edition by fiat. So if the Workstation WG
> feels
> that the inclusion of the blivet-gui desktop file is unacceptable for the
> Workstation Edition, I *think* they can just declare it so.
>

If that turns out to be true, then it might be the easiest approach. Just
file a blocker proposal and describe what's wrong and that you're applying
your WG veto, and we'll auto-accept it. Of course, you can still add the
policy to the wiki (so that it's documented).


>
> CCing the FESCo list for anyone else there to chime in. (We also always
> have the
> option of FESCo making this declaration on your behalf as well.)
>
>
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Re: Updating the applications and launchers policy

[Stephen Gallagher]

On 05/22/2017 10:13 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Currently we have the following as a final blocker criterion:
> 
> "All applications installed by default in Fedora Workstation must comply with 
> each MUST and MUST NOT guideline in the Applications and Launchers policy."
> 
> That policy is: 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Guidelines/Applications_and_Launchers
> 
> We recently noticed that we don't have an available blocker criterion to deal 
> with issues where an application unexpectedly appears in the default install. 
> In particular, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1449752 which 
> has prompted this. We want the blivet-gui package maintainers to either 
> create a subpackage for its desktop file, or otherwise figure something out 
> to prevent blivet-gui from appearing as an application in our default 
> install. The package maintainers do not want to do this, so we want a blocker 
> criterion to force a resolution. I see two easy solutions here:
> 
>  * We could add a new blocker criterion that explicitly says the Workstation 
> WG gets to decide which applications are installed by default.
>  * We could add that as a MUST guideline to our applications and launchers 
> policy, since there is already a blocker criterion that covers that.
> 
> I'm planning to do the later and then propose this blivet-gui bug as a 
> blocker. Is the QA team OK with this course of action? Do you prefer to just 
> add a new criterion?

I can't seem to find the original decision (it's been a few years of meetings
now), but I'm pretty sure that FESCo actually ruled that the WGs have the right
to declare a blocker to their Edition by fiat. So if the Workstation WG feels
that the inclusion of the blivet-gui desktop file is unacceptable for the
Workstation Edition, I *think* they can just declare it so.

CCing the FESCo list for anyone else there to chime in. (We also always have the
option of FESCo making this declaration on your behalf as well.)



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Re: Updating the applications and launchers policy

[Michael Catanzaro]

I forgot to include the exact text that I'm planning to add. It would be:

"App launchers installed by default MUST be approved by the Workstation WG."

See also: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/15

Michael
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Updating the applications and launchers policy

[Michael Catanzaro]

Hi,

Currently we have the following as a final blocker criterion:

"All applications installed by default in Fedora Workstation must comply with 
each MUST and MUST NOT guideline in the Applications and Launchers policy."

That policy is: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Guidelines/Applications_and_Launchers

We recently noticed that we don't have an available blocker criterion to deal 
with issues where an application unexpectedly appears in the default install. 
In particular, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1449752 which 
has prompted this. We want the blivet-gui package maintainers to either create 
a subpackage for its desktop file, or otherwise figure something out to prevent 
blivet-gui from appearing as an application in our default install. The package 
maintainers do not want to do this, so we want a blocker criterion to force a 
resolution. I see two easy solutions here:

 * We could add a new blocker criterion that explicitly says the Workstation WG 
gets to decide which applications are installed by default.
 * We could add that as a MUST guideline to our applications and launchers 
policy, since there is already a blocker criterion that covers that.

I'm planning to do the later and then propose this blivet-gui bug as a blocker. 
Is the QA team OK with this course of action? Do you prefer to just add a new 
criterion?

Michael
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