Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-16 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 11:10 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:

> Yeah. But I'm not seeing the partitioning modifications in that git
> > tree. Oh I bet I know why, workstation uses anaconda default, nothing
> > to change.
> > 
> > Anyway, there's this...
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/ProductImage
> > 
> 
> 
> Yeah here's the py file for server that modifies partitioning.
> 
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/fedora-productimg-server.git/tree/fedora-server.py

Yep, Server is the only one that changes that default.
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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-16 Thread Chris Murphy 
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Chris Murphy  wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Adam Williamson
>  wrote:
>> On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 11:02 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Alessio Ciregia  
>>> wrote:
>>> > 2017-05-16 18:45 GMT+02:00 stan :
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:53:36 +0200
>>> > > Alessio Ciregia  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Just another question: where "product image" or "flavor-specific
>>> > > > configuration" (do these terms refer to the same thing, right?) are
>>> > > > defined?
>>> > >
>>> > > (Yes)
>>> > > I think that is here,
>>> > > https://getfedora.org/
>>> > > about half way down the page on the left.  This shows the various
>>> > > flavors of Fedora available other than workstation, server, or atomic.
>>> > > That is mostly about the desktop they run, or the hardware they run on.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > No no, this is ok. I mean, where is the default set of installed packages
>>> > defined?
>>> > Where is the default partition scheme specified?
>>> > I mean, there should be something like a configuration file at compose 
>>> > time,
>>> > isn't it?
>>> > Or in other words, there is a document that describe how the build process
>>> > of an image works?
>>> >
>>> > Sorry for bothering you.
>>>
>>> The default is in anaconda, but then there's a productimg that can modify 
>>> it.
>>>
>>> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/fedora-productimg-workstation.git/
>>
>> And of course there are cloud, atomic and server equivalents. The
>> 'product image' mechanism in anaconda allows customization of various
>> things, including branding and some defaults (like default filesystem).
>
> Yeah. But I'm not seeing the partitioning modifications in that git
> tree. Oh I bet I know why, workstation uses anaconda default, nothing
> to change.
>
> Anyway, there's this...
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/ProductImage
>


Yeah here's the py file for server that modifies partitioning.

http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/fedora-productimg-server.git/tree/fedora-server.py



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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-16 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 11:02 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Alessio Ciregia  wrote:
> > 2017-05-16 18:45 GMT+02:00 stan :
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:53:36 +0200
> > > Alessio Ciregia  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Just another question: where "product image" or "flavor-specific
> > > > configuration" (do these terms refer to the same thing, right?) are
> > > > defined?
> > > 
> > > (Yes)
> > > I think that is here,
> > > https://getfedora.org/
> > > about half way down the page on the left.  This shows the various
> > > flavors of Fedora available other than workstation, server, or atomic.
> > > That is mostly about the desktop they run, or the hardware they run on.
> > 
> > 
> > No no, this is ok. I mean, where is the default set of installed packages
> > defined?
> > Where is the default partition scheme specified?
> > I mean, there should be something like a configuration file at compose time,
> > isn't it?
> > Or in other words, there is a document that describe how the build process
> > of an image works?
> > 
> > Sorry for bothering you.
> 
> The default is in anaconda, but then there's a productimg that can modify it.
> 
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/fedora-productimg-workstation.git/

And of course there are cloud, atomic and server equivalents. The
'product image' mechanism in anaconda allows customization of various
things, including branding and some defaults (like default filesystem).
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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-16 Thread Chris Murphy 
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Alessio Ciregia  wrote:
> 2017-05-16 18:45 GMT+02:00 stan :
>>
>> On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:53:36 +0200
>> Alessio Ciregia  wrote:
>>
>> > Just another question: where "product image" or "flavor-specific
>> > configuration" (do these terms refer to the same thing, right?) are
>> > defined?
>>
>> (Yes)
>> I think that is here,
>> https://getfedora.org/
>> about half way down the page on the left.  This shows the various
>> flavors of Fedora available other than workstation, server, or atomic.
>> That is mostly about the desktop they run, or the hardware they run on.
>
>
> No no, this is ok. I mean, where is the default set of installed packages
> defined?
> Where is the default partition scheme specified?
> I mean, there should be something like a configuration file at compose time,
> isn't it?
> Or in other words, there is a document that describe how the build process
> of an image works?
>
> Sorry for bothering you.

The default is in anaconda, but then there's a productimg that can modify it.

http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/fedora-productimg-workstation.git/


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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-16 Thread Alessio Ciregia 
2017-05-16 18:45 GMT+02:00 stan :

> On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:53:36 +0200
> Alessio Ciregia  wrote:
>
> > Just another question: where "product image" or "flavor-specific
> > configuration" (do these terms refer to the same thing, right?) are
> > defined?
>
> (Yes)
> I think that is here,
> https://getfedora.org/
> about half way down the page on the left.  This shows the various
> flavors of Fedora available other than workstation, server, or atomic.
> That is mostly about the desktop they run, or the hardware they run on.
>

No no, this is ok. I mean, where is the default set of installed packages
defined?
Where is the default partition scheme specified?
I mean, there should be something like a configuration file at compose
time, isn't it?
Or in other words, there is a document that describe how the build process
of an image works?

Sorry for bothering you.
A.
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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-16 Thread stan 
On Mon, 15 May 2017 19:53:36 +0200
Alessio Ciregia  wrote:

> Just another question: where "product image" or "flavor-specific
> configuration" (do these terms refer to the same thing, right?) are
> defined?

(Yes)
I think that is here,
https://getfedora.org/
about half way down the page on the left.  This shows the various
flavors of Fedora available other than workstation, server, or atomic.
That is mostly about the desktop they run, or the hardware they run on.
Sample views of the desktops are at 
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-15 Thread Alessio Ciregia 
Ok. Thank you all for the explanations.
Just another question: where "product image" or "flavor-specific
configuration" (do these terms refer to the same thing, right?) are defined?

Thank you
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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-15 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Sat, 2017-05-13 at 20:43 +0200, Alessio Ciregia wrote:
> Excuse my question, but I'm pretty new in the Fedora community, so I'm
> still not very practical with terminology.
> 
> What is Everything boot? What is the difference between Everything boot
> and, in example, Workstation boot?

It's a generic network install image - 'generic' in the sense sgallagh
explained, it doesn't use any Fedora flavor-specific configuration
(like Server or Workstation), so it gets all the anaconda defaults.

The other network install images use the configuration for the flavor
they come from - Server, Workstation and Cloud. So the Server one
defaults to XFS partitions, for instance. They also have Flavor
branding.

Each of them lets you install any package set; there was an idea a
while ago that the Server netinst would only let you install the Server
packages, but no-one was super keen on that.

The Everything netinst is the one we show most prominently on the
download page, I think. The others are a bit hidden.

FWIW, I'd say the most 'important' images to test are the Workstation
live, Server DVD, Everything boot and KDE live.
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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-15 Thread Stephen Gallagher 


On 05/14/2017 11:43 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:
>> On May 13, 2017 11:43:28 AM PDT, Alessio Ciregia <alcir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What is Everything boot? What is the difference between Everything boot
>>> and, in example, Workstation boot?
>>>
>> The workstation boot is a live image and when you install from it you have 
>> no choice of packages but you don't require internet access to do the 
>> install.
> Nope. Workstation boot is a netinst image, but it has Workstation's
> product image set, so it follows the Workstation partitioning scheme
> when choosing automatic partitioning.
>
> In the current summary, "Workstation boot" points to:
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-26-20170513.n.0/compose/Workstation/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-x86_64-26-20170513.n.0.iso
>
> I don't know what the product image is for Everything boot; so I don't
> know what the default partitioning is.
>
>

There is no product.img for the Everything boot, so it uses Anaconda's
upstream defaults for partitioning, which IIRC is 500 MiB for /boot,
20GiB for / and the remainder for /home as long as /home is bigger than
some reasonable value.




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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-14 Thread Chris Murphy 
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net> wrote:
> On May 13, 2017 11:43:28 AM PDT, Alessio Ciregia <alcir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>What is Everything boot? What is the difference between Everything boot
>>and, in example, Workstation boot?
>>
>
> The workstation boot is a live image and when you install from it you have no 
> choice of packages but you don't require internet access to do the install.

Nope. Workstation boot is a netinst image, but it has Workstation's
product image set, so it follows the Workstation partitioning scheme
when choosing automatic partitioning.

In the current summary, "Workstation boot" points to:
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-26-20170513.n.0/compose/Workstation/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Workstation-netinst-x86_64-26-20170513.n.0.iso

I don't know what the product image is for Everything boot; so I don't
know what the default partitioning is.



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Re: What is Everything boot

2017-05-13 Thread Samuel Sieb 
On May 13, 2017 11:43:28 AM PDT, Alessio Ciregia <alcir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What is Everything boot? What is the difference between Everything boot
>and, in example, Workstation boot?
>

The workstation boot is a live image and when you install from it you have no 
choice of packages but you don't require internet access to do the install.  
The everything image is a network install that will let you install any 
packages but they are all downloaded from the internet.  It is particularly 
useful with a kickstart script for automated installs.

This question would probably have been more suitable for the users list though 
unless you're wondering which one of these to use for release testing.
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What is Everything boot

2017-05-13 Thread Alessio Ciregia 
Excuse my question, but I'm pretty new in the Fedora community, so I'm
still not very practical with terminology.

What is Everything boot? What is the difference between Everything boot
and, in example, Workstation boot?

Thanks in advance.
A.
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