Re: proposal: remove "opportunity to carry out other desirable work" from the Exceptional Cases considerations in the blocker bug SOP

2020-10-22 Thread Sudhir D 

+1 to the proposal.

On 10/21/20 11:37 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

In https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process#Exceptional_cases,
there is a list of factors we may consider when dealing with last minute or
difficult to resolve blockers. One item on the list is:

* Whether delaying the release may give us an opportunity to carry out other 
desirable work

I would like to remove this from the list, and perhaps go so far as to include 
it
as something we _shouldn't_ consider.

There is always an infinite amount of desirable work, and it's tempting to
push the schedule just to get one more thing in. But! Admiral Ackbar meme
gif! that temptation is a trap! Any such additional work increases the risk
of further delay, and actually pushes off getting all the other work that
*did* make the release from getting to users.

If something isn't ready, there is always the next release, and often there
is the possibility of providing whatever other desirable work via an update
-- or through an alternate module stream after the the release.

What do you think? Reasonable? Thanks!


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Re: proposal: remove "opportunity to carry out other desirable work" from the Exceptional Cases considerations in the blocker bug SOP

2020-10-22 Thread Jaap Bosman 

Agree with Matthew, becauseThe Perfect is the enemy of the good.

On 22-10-2020 09:29, Harold Dost wrote:

Are there any examples where it might have been cited I the past?
If so, maybe narrow the definition to things which would result in a 
less buggy release.


Otherwise +1 from my perspective.

On Wed 21 Oct 2020 at 20:07, Matthew Miller > wrote:


In
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process#Exceptional_cases

,

there is a list of factors we may consider when dealing with last
minute or
difficult to resolve blockers. One item on the list is:

* Whether delaying the release may give us an opportunity to carry
out other desirable work

I would like to remove this from the list, and perhaps go so far
as to include it
as something we _shouldn't_ consider.

There is always an infinite amount of desirable work, and it's
tempting to
push the schedule just to get one more thing in. But! Admiral
Ackbar meme
gif! that temptation is a trap! Any such additional work increases
the risk
of further delay, and actually pushes off getting all the other
work that
*did* make the release from getting to users.

If something isn't ready, there is always the next release, and
often there
is the possibility of providing whatever other desirable work via
an update
-- or through an alternate module stream after the the release.

What do you think? Reasonable? Thanks!

-- 
Matthew Miller

mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org>>
Fedora Project Leader
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Re: proposal: remove "opportunity to carry out other desirable work" from the Exceptional Cases considerations in the blocker bug SOP

2020-10-22 Thread Harold Dost 
Are there any examples where it might have been cited I the past?
If so, maybe narrow the definition to things which would result in a less
buggy release.

Otherwise +1 from my perspective.

On Wed 21 Oct 2020 at 20:07, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> In
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process#Exceptional_cases,
>
> there is a list of factors we may consider when dealing with last minute or
> difficult to resolve blockers. One item on the list is:
>
> * Whether delaying the release may give us an opportunity to carry out
> other desirable work
>
> I would like to remove this from the list, and perhaps go so far as to
> include it
> as something we _shouldn't_ consider.
>
> There is always an infinite amount of desirable work, and it's tempting to
> push the schedule just to get one more thing in. But! Admiral Ackbar meme
> gif! that temptation is a trap! Any such additional work increases the risk
> of further delay, and actually pushes off getting all the other work that
> *did* make the release from getting to users.
>
> If something isn't ready, there is always the next release, and often there
> is the possibility of providing whatever other desirable work via an update
> -- or through an alternate module stream after the the release.
>
> What do you think? Reasonable? Thanks!
>
> --
> Matthew Miller
> 
> Fedora Project Leader
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proposal: remove "opportunity to carry out other desirable work" from the Exceptional Cases considerations in the blocker bug SOP

2020-10-21 Thread Matthew Miller 
In https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process#Exceptional_cases, 
there is a list of factors we may consider when dealing with last minute or
difficult to resolve blockers. One item on the list is:

* Whether delaying the release may give us an opportunity to carry out other 
desirable work

I would like to remove this from the list, and perhaps go so far as to include 
it
as something we _shouldn't_ consider.

There is always an infinite amount of desirable work, and it's tempting to
push the schedule just to get one more thing in. But! Admiral Ackbar meme
gif! that temptation is a trap! Any such additional work increases the risk
of further delay, and actually pushes off getting all the other work that
*did* make the release from getting to users.

If something isn't ready, there is always the next release, and often there
is the possibility of providing whatever other desirable work via an update
-- or through an alternate module stream after the the release.

What do you think? Reasonable? Thanks!

-- 
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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