Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[pmkel...@frontier.com]

I'm still seeing this on every restart or shutdown. Currently 0212.n.0 
WS Beta. Bare metal install on a Lenovo M53 with a i5-4570 CPU,



Have a Great Day!

Pat (tablepc)

On 2/13/21 20:35, Chris Murphy wrote:

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:29 PM Adam Williamson
 wrote:


On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 03:01 +0100, AV wrote:

On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 17:02 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 11:30 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:

Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the
branch very
shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I
do that
with F34 this week... how's it looking?


Well, it has the same somewhat-quirky early build of GNOME Shell /
mutter that you already provided notes on from the COPR, so there's
that. Aside from that it shouldn't be too bad right now.
--


There are some minor quibbles but there is one very irritating
problem: very long ( > 4 minutes ) waiting times till shutdown or
restart (whatever method is used) on a bare metal install on 2
different laptops.


Well, there's a known bug (though I don't have the number to hand) for
something that delays 90 seconds on shutdown (it doesn't stop properly
and the timeout is 90 seconds). 4 minutes is a lot though, so you might
be seeing something else as well?



This is the one I'm experiencing.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1925320

With recent updates it's become transient, but still happens often.


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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 12:29 PM Adam Williamson
 wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 03:01 +0100, AV wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 17:02 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 11:30 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > > Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the
> > > > branch very
> > > > shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I
> > > > do that
> > > > with F34 this week... how's it looking?
> > >
> > > Well, it has the same somewhat-quirky early build of GNOME Shell /
> > > mutter that you already provided notes on from the COPR, so there's
> > > that. Aside from that it shouldn't be too bad right now.
> > > --
> >
> > There are some minor quibbles but there is one very irritating
> > problem: very long ( > 4 minutes ) waiting times till shutdown or
> > restart (whatever method is used) on a bare metal install on 2
> > different laptops.
>
> Well, there's a known bug (though I don't have the number to hand) for
> something that delays 90 seconds on shutdown (it doesn't stop properly
> and the timeout is 90 seconds). 4 minutes is a lot though, so you might
> be seeing something else as well?


This is the one I'm experiencing.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1925320

With recent updates it's become transient, but still happens often.

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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2021-02-13 at 03:01 +0100, AV wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 17:02 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 11:30 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the
> > > branch very
> > > shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I
> > > do that
> > > with F34 this week... how's it looking?
> > 
> > Well, it has the same somewhat-quirky early build of GNOME Shell /
> > mutter that you already provided notes on from the COPR, so there's
> > that. Aside from that it shouldn't be too bad right now.
> > -- 
> 
> There are some minor quibbles but there is one very irritating
> problem: very long ( > 4 minutes ) waiting times till shutdown or
> restart (whatever method is used) on a bare metal install on 2
> different laptops.

Well, there's a known bug (though I don't have the number to hand) for
something that delays 90 seconds on shutdown (it doesn't stop properly
and the timeout is 90 seconds). 4 minutes is a lot though, so you might
be seeing something else as well?
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA
IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha
https://www.happyassassin.net


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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Gavin Flower]

On 13/02/2021 14:02, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 11:30 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:

Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the branch very
shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I do that
with F34 this week... how's it looking?

Well, it has the same somewhat-quirky early build of GNOME Shell /
mutter that you already provided notes on from the COPR, so there's
that. Aside from that it shouldn't be too bad right now.


How is the Mate Desktop Environment?

I was a loyal GNOME user until GNOME 3 was foisted on us.


Cheers,
Gavin
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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[AV]

On Fri, 2021-02-12 at 17:02 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 11:30 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the
> > branch very
> > shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I
> > do that
> > with F34 this week... how's it looking?
> 
> Well, it has the same somewhat-quirky early build of GNOME Shell /
> mutter that you already provided notes on from the COPR, so there's
> that. Aside from that it shouldn't be too bad right now.
> -- 

There are some minor quibbles but there is one very irritating
problem: very long ( > 4 minutes ) waiting times till shutdown or
restart (whatever method is used) on a bare metal install on 2
different laptops.

AV
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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2021-02-10 at 11:30 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the branch very
> shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I do that
> with F34 this week... how's it looking?

Well, it has the same somewhat-quirky early build of GNOME Shell /
mutter that you already provided notes on from the COPR, so there's
that. Aside from that it shouldn't be too bad right now.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA
IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha
https://www.happyassassin.net


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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Andre Robatino]

So far, updates haven't fixed it, but I found that if I use the "enforcing=0" 
boot option, the problems with both GNOME and the network are gone.
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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Lukas Ruzicka]

Hi Matthew,

I was trying to upgrade my testing machine with Fedora 33 to 34, however it
did not work for me, because the repositories still seem to be out-of-sync.
At least, this is what I am hoping for the reported broken upgrade paths.
The 34 RPM-Fusion repos are not available either.

Lukas


On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:31 PM Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the branch very
> shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I do that
> with F34 this week... how's it looking?
>
> --
> Matthew Miller
> 
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Re: so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Andre Robatino]

After clean installing from the first branched Everything netinst, and updating 
fedora-repos to 34-0.12 (to get the branched repos instead of rawhide), and 
manually enabling the fedora repo and updating, my network doesn't work, and 
GNOME doesn't start (something about dbus). By running dhclient I can get the 
network up so I can ping an IP address, but DNS lookup still doesn't work. I 
don't know which update is responsible so I'll be updating in rescue mode until 
it works again.
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so.... how solid is the f34 branch at branch time?

[Matthew Miller]

Last few releases, I've aggressively updated my systems to the branch very
shortly after branching, and I have (mostly) not regretted it. If I do that
with F34 this week... how's it looking?

-- 
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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