RE: [TeX-music] experiment on slurs
Thanks for these comparisons, Andre. I'll only comment about exodusaplt. The l option in Apl+t only alters the line-breaking ties, while +t affects all ties; neither one affects slurs at all. The tie at bar 44 looks fine to me. With some more work I could make l apply to slurs as well. It looks like line-break slurs would also benefit by having the 2nd part start further to the left than the default. Unfortunately, I would also need to work out an algorithm for the height of the beginning of the 2nd part as well; this was a no-brainer for ties since they always end at the same height they start. Would you or anyone else care to suggest an algorithm for the height of the second part of a line-break slur? The bow of the slurs can be lessened with the f option. If you use that in the tenor in bars 33-34, you may cause a crash with the tie. Then you should tweak the height of the tie. But now you may not be able to get it exactly where you want it (down by 1\internote) because using Ap+t may not allow it. That's exactly why I made \Notieadjust (Ap-t) the default in PMX. --Don Simons -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andre Van Ryckeghem Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:30 PM To: TeX-Music Subject: [TeX-music] experiment on slurs I did an experiment on the slurs on my latest sheet exodus. The results are in users.pandora.be in 3 postscriptfiles See the second page (numbered as 3) mesure 32, 33 and 44 Sorry if i did not understood the new options and used them wrong. exodusorg.ps - with no options The slurs are nice and break well. The bow is rather high. exodusaplt.ps - option Apl+t The slurs are nice but do not break that well (mesure 44). The bow is even more high. exoduspss.ps - option \\input musixpss\relax\ The slurs are a little thin (for me), but acceptable, they break nicely. They are very flat (33), which is for me an advantage. Perhaps a drawback is that they produces many files, with no easy method to delete them in a command. Andre ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] experiment on slurs
I am afraid i do not understand yet the slur mechanism (but never dared to confess) i.e. Ap+t : is the adjustment autmatically (for dotted notes) or is it to allow t+0+1 ? Thanks for these comparisons, Andre. I am happy that i can use pmx (musixtex). I have a great admiration for the programms and the makers. I'll only comment about exodusaplt. The l option in Apl+t only alters the line-breaking ties, while +t affects all ties; neither one affects slurs at all. the l and +t option can not be used together? The tie at bar 44 looks fine to me. the tie at the soprano is half a note lower than in the two other ps files (is the difference between tie and slur that the tie start right and ends left of the note?) With some more work I could make l apply to slurs as well. It looks like line-break slurs would also benefit by having the 2nd part start further to the left than the default. Unfortunately, I would also need to work out an algorithm for the height of the beginning of the 2nd part as well; this was a no-brainer for ties since they always end at the same height they start. Would you or anyone else care to suggest an algorithm for the height of the second part of a line-break slur? perhaps let them be horizontal (as is the first part), then the height is given by the end of the slur (and easy to change by the user) The bow of the slurs can be lessened with the f option. If you use that in the tenor in bars 33-34, you may cause a crash with the tie. Then you should tweak the height of the tie. But now you may not be able to get it exactly where you want it (down by 1\internote) because using Ap+t may not allow it. That's exactly why I made \Notieadjust (Ap-t) the default in PMX. I believe the bow of the tie is 2 internotes and this can not be less ? But yes, i forgot to use the f option (f stands for flatter, h for higher and H for more higher an HH ...?) I feel i have no right to nitpick (searched this word in a dictonary). I waited long for slanted hairpins, and now we have them together with slurs that have a large, nice vertical range. Andre ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
RE: [TeX-music] experiment on slurs
Andre Van Ryckeghem wrote I am afraid i do not understand yet the slur mechanism (but never dared to confess) i.e. Ap+t : is the adjustment autmatically (for dotted notes) or is it to allow t+0+1 ? None of the above. The adjustment controlled by Ap+t (\Tieadjust) is a vertical adjustment that is applied so that the middle (horizontal) part of the tie is never at the same height as a staff line. There is no automatic adjustment for dotted notes. Should there be? I believe that with Ap-t (or just Ap) there is no crash; the ties goes above the dot. The tie at bar 44 looks fine to me. the tie at the soprano is half a note lower than in the two other ps files That is probably caused by Ap+t. Try running it without +t. I think \Tieadjust is lowering the tie to avoid the overlap I just talked about. (is the difference between tie and slur that the tie start right and ends left of the note?) That's one of the differences. When using PMX with Ap, you get that with t-ties and st-ties; without Ap you will get it with st-ties but not t-ties. Also, with Ap, the shape of all ties (t and st) is different from slurs of the same length (flatter); without Ap, slurs and ties of the same length have the same shape. This is all completely independent of Ap+t or Ap-t. perhaps let them be horizontal (as is the first part), then the height is given by the end of the slur (and easy to change by the user) That's the way I'm leaning. The bow of the slurs can be lessened with the f option. If you use that in the tenor in bars 33-34, you may cause a crash with the tie. Then you should tweak the height of the tie. But now you may not be able to get it exactly where you want it (down by 1\internote) because using Ap+t may not allow it. That's exactly why I made \Notieadjust (Ap-t) the default in PMX. I believe the bow of the tie is 2 internotes and this can not be less ? I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant to lower the entire tie, not to flatten it. Maybe you could flatten it, I don't know, never tried it. I feel i have no right to nitpick (searched this word in a dictonary). That's a good dictionary. But feel free to pick all the nits you like. Just remember to suggest what changes you would like to see, especially if it involves a matter of taste. The worst that can happen is that you will be ignored. --Don ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
