Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

Debussy's Arabesque is one of the `liberated' scores, I think...  for
the other ones, in my experience, since a month or two you
have to pay now 7 euros/month

rodolfo

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:02 PM Christian Mondrup <
c...@icking-music-archive.org> wrote:

> Den 14.05.2020 kl. 19.18 skrev Jean-Pierre Coulon:
> > On Thu, 14 May 2020, Christian Mondrup wrote:
> >
> >> To test this I logged out from my membership and clicked to download
> >> the first score, an autograph facsimile. And yes, I do get a request
> >> for signing up for a membership. But near the top of the page there is
> >> a link saying 'Click here to continue your download.'. Clicking this
> >> link gets me past the page, and the download of the score starts.
> >
> > Are you speaking about an imslp download or an openscore download ?
>
> I misunderstood your posting and tested downloading the Debussy score
> from IMSLP withour being logged in.
>
> >
> > I experimented an openscore download.
> >
>
> I did this a few minutes ago. And yes, I'm asked to sign in to Openscore
> in order to download the score. I'm using Musescore now and then and
> signed up for an account long ago. After my login the download of the
> Debussy score started. I don't encounter any request for paid membership.
>
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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Christian Mondrup]

Den 14.05.2020 kl. 19.18 skrev Jean-Pierre Coulon:

On Thu, 14 May 2020, Christian Mondrup wrote:

To test this I logged out from my membership and clicked to download 
the first score, an autograph facsimile. And yes, I do get a request 
for signing up for a membership. But near the top of the page there is 
a link saying 'Click here to continue your download.'. Clicking this 
link gets me past the page, and the download of the score starts.


Are you speaking about an imslp download or an openscore download ?


I misunderstood your posting and tested downloading the Debussy score 
from IMSLP withour being logged in.




I experimented an openscore download.



I did this a few minutes ago. And yes, I'm asked to sign in to Openscore 
in order to download the score. I'm using Musescore now and then and 
signed up for an account long ago. After my login the download of the 
Debussy score started. I don't encounter any request for paid membership.


Greetings
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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Jean-Pierre Coulon]

On Thu, 14 May 2020, Christian Mondrup wrote:

To test this I logged out from my membership and clicked to download the 
first score, an autograph facsimile. And yes, I do get a request for signing 
up for a membership. But near the top of the page there is a link saying 
'Click here to continue your download.'. Clicking this link gets me past the 
page, and the download of the score starts.


Are you speaking about an imslp download or an openscore download ?

I experimented an openscore download.

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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Christian Mondrup]

Den 14.05.2020 kl. 18.32 skrev Jean-Pierre Coulon:
I tried to download a score (Debussy Arabesques) and it asks me to sign 
in! Not a good start to claim oneself equivalent to imslp!


I you think they are acting unfair ask questions in one of the forums of 
http://imslpforums.org/




To test this I logged out from my membership and clicked to download the 
first score, an autograph facsimile. And yes, I do get a request for 
signing up for a membership. But near the top of the page there is a 
link saying 'Click here to continue your download.'. Clicking this link 
gets me past the page, and the download of the score starts.


I have to admit, though, that the 'escape text' appears in rather small 
size letters.


Greetings
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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Jean-Pierre Coulon]

I tried to download a score (Debussy Arabesques) and it asks me to sign 
in! Not a good start to claim oneself equivalent to imslp!


I you think they are acting unfair ask questions in one of the forums of 
http://imslpforums.org/


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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Jean-Pierre Coulon]

On Thu, 14 May 2020, Rodolfo Medina wrote:


from https://openscore.cc:

OpenScore brings together the two largest sheet music communities to tackle
this challenge: *MuseScore* and *IMSLP*


Exagerated for musescore!!!


*Become a Silver Liberator. Put your favorite work on the Liberation List
and be credited inside the OpenScore Edition. (The work cannot already be
on the Liberation List or the Iconic Works List - https://goo.gl/SwdKxj
. It must be in the public domain worldwide and
available on IMSLP.)*


If I well understand you are invited to retypeset a piece already present 
at imlsp with musescore. So there are no copyright issues!


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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Christian Mondrup]

Den 14.05.2020 kl. 14.01 skrev Rodolfo Medina:

Hi all.

About Openscore project, that claims collaborating with IMSLP: did I
 understand wrong, or they ask people for money: primarily, to work
for them; and secondly, to purchase those scores that people typed
paying for that...?


All IMSLP scores incl. those originating from the former WIMA score 
project, are published under a Creative Commons license and are 
downloadable free of charge. You may, however, sign up with a paid for 
membership giving you some benefits: you don't need to wait a small 
number of seconds for downloading recent IMSLP contributions, and you 
are allowed to stream commercial recordings associated with an IMSLP 
work page. But please notice that you do NOT pay for any IMSLP score.


The IMSLP membership was introduced some years ago with the aim of 
funding the operating costs of IMSLP. I had WIMA merge with IMSLP in 
2012 after years of unsuccessful attempts to establish a cooperative 
WIMA staff. If that had been successful we'd most likely have met a 
similar need for funding assistance. The WIMA server is still alive, 
hosting the MusiXTeX software. The server is only kept alive because the 
costs are sponsored by a Danish cultural organisation.


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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

from https://openscore.cc:

OpenScore brings together the two largest sheet music communities to tackle
this challenge: *MuseScore* and *IMSLP*

*[...]*

*thanks,*


*Rodolfo*

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:29 PM Carlo Centemeri 
wrote:

> I did a quick check: they did a kickstarter campaign years ago, but the
> form to register seems to be unavailable.
> The project seems to be in the "all-in" IMSLP philosophy, alias a whole
> range of scores with editions made in any way (in terms of editorial
> criteria) but free. Which is the wrong message (which sources are you
> relying on? Are you just making a free transcription of a copyrighted
> edition? What is text and what is editor choice? etc).
> In this case the idea seems to be "let's supply an editable version so you
> don't have to spend time in preparing your own edition if you need
> parts-transposition-whatever" that adds, anyway, an additional passage
> between the edition and the user.
> If this were an "amateurs for amateurs" thing it may work just fine,
> however - since I keep on meeting people that in concerts/recordings/study
> - use as a reference any kind of "edition" as long as it is free (and I
> won't name the tons of "self-called-baroque-specialists" who will use "the
> manuscript", i.e. any kind of handwritten stuff - handwritten by who? when?
> for which purpose? - found anywhere), I still look with some suspicion this
> approach which could just add garbage.
>
> I remember being part of this world from before Werner Icking died, and
> even having published some scholarly editions, I have transcribed hours and
> hours of music for personal study and for performances, however, I've
> always felt the doubt that the transcription made could be of any worth for
> anybody else (and even when people write me for the scores used in my
> records I provide them for free but always fearing that something might be
> wrong).
>
>  I have always seen much respect to the web from the members of this
> community, and therefore this idea of "please upload as much stuff as you
> can", maybe I'm old, but it leaves me a bit puzzled.
> Carlo
>
>
>
> Il giorno gio 14 mag 2020 alle ore 14:02 Rodolfo Medina <
> rodolfo.med...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> About Openscore project, that claims collaborating with IMSLP: did I
>> understand
>> wrong, or they ask people for money: primarily, to work for them; and
>> secondly,
>> to purchase those scores that people typed paying for that...?
>>
>> What do you think about it?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Rodolfo
>>
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>
>
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> esse perfecta: nihil enim est sine illa"
> Rabanus (X. sec)
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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Carlo Centemeri]

I did a quick check: they did a kickstarter campaign years ago, but the
form to register seems to be unavailable.
The project seems to be in the "all-in" IMSLP philosophy, alias a whole
range of scores with editions made in any way (in terms of editorial
criteria) but free. Which is the wrong message (which sources are you
relying on? Are you just making a free transcription of a copyrighted
edition? What is text and what is editor choice? etc).
In this case the idea seems to be "let's supply an editable version so you
don't have to spend time in preparing your own edition if you need
parts-transposition-whatever" that adds, anyway, an additional passage
between the edition and the user.
If this were an "amateurs for amateurs" thing it may work just fine,
however - since I keep on meeting people that in concerts/recordings/study
- use as a reference any kind of "edition" as long as it is free (and I
won't name the tons of "self-called-baroque-specialists" who will use "the
manuscript", i.e. any kind of handwritten stuff - handwritten by who? when?
for which purpose? - found anywhere), I still look with some suspicion this
approach which could just add garbage.

I remember being part of this world from before Werner Icking died, and
even having published some scholarly editions, I have transcribed hours and
hours of music for personal study and for performances, however, I've
always felt the doubt that the transcription made could be of any worth for
anybody else (and even when people write me for the scores used in my
records I provide them for free but always fearing that something might be
wrong).

 I have always seen much respect to the web from the members of this
community, and therefore this idea of "please upload as much stuff as you
can", maybe I'm old, but it leaves me a bit puzzled.
Carlo



Il giorno gio 14 mag 2020 alle ore 14:02 Rodolfo Medina <
rodolfo.med...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Hi all.
>
> About Openscore project, that claims collaborating with IMSLP: did I
> understand
> wrong, or they ask people for money: primarily, to work for them; and
> secondly,
> to purchase those scores that people typed paying for that...?
>
> What do you think about it?
>
> thanks,
>
> Rodolfo
>
> ---
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>


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Re: [Tex-music] Openscore

[Jean-Pierre Coulon]

Plase provide an URL wher we can read this claim.

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[Tex-music] Openscore

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

About Openscore project, that claims collaborating with IMSLP: did I
understand
wrong, or they ask people for money: primarily, to work for them; and
secondly,
to purchase those scores that people typed paying for that...?

What do you think about it?

thanks,

Rodolfo
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