[Texascavers] Help a caver

2007-09-25 Thread speleosteele
From TagNet this morning:

 I summon the help of all cavers! 
  By: Ted Lord  (Athens, Georgia) 
  tedwi...@juno.com 
 
My name is Ted Lord. I am vice chair of A.S.S. (Athens, GA grotto) I 
play in a band called Joker. There is a nation-wide competition 
sponsored by a new Vodka brand called Boru. They have been accepting 
demos from unsigned bands around the nation for a while. Recently they 
reviewed them and narrowed them down to the top 15 bands. They then post 
the songs online and the public has to vote on them, narrowing it down 
to the top 4 bands. At that poing a panel of judges chooses the best, 
and the winning band gets $10,000 worth of musical gear and a record 
deal. My band was chosen to be in the top 15 bands from the nation. I 
need everyone to get on www.boru.com and vote for Joker. By voting you 
automatically register yourself to win $5,000 cash. You can vote 
everyday. If you love Mother Nature, caves, and all thats Holy, please, 
vote for Joker. Ted Lord 

PS...if you wanna hear our new demo, go to www.myspace.com/jokyr2007 


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[Texascavers] Fwd: Informational: Texas Memorial Museum reopens Sunday, Sept. 30

2007-09-25 Thread Katherine Arens

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Subject: Informational:  Texas Memorial Museum reopens Sunday, Sept. 30
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TEXAS MEMORIAL MUSEUM is reopening to the public after four months 
of life safety renovations.  Please join us on Sunday, September 
30th starting at 12:45 pm for an afternoon of family fun!  Free 
admission!


At 12:45 pm, we will unveil a larger-than-life sized cast-bronze 
sculpture of a saber-toothed cat.  On hand will be its creator, 
Texas Natural Science Center's exhibit artist, John Maisano, who 
joins the handful of nationally renowned sculptors who have 
contributed to UT's impressive collection of public artworks.  The 
sculpture was donated by Austinites Sarah and Ernest Butler.


From 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm, enjoy our Family Fossil Fun Day event with 

activities for the entire family.
Ongoing:  make crafts and see and touch real museum fossils
Ongoing:  dig for fossils in the mini Dino Pit - see how it feels to 
be a real paleontologist

1:30 pm:  Tales from Our Family Tree, storytelling for the whole family
2:00 pm:  The Case of the Missing Clam: You follow the forensic 
trail and gather evidence for the case
3:00 pm:  Ice Age Mammals of Central Texas, a hands-on 
introduction to the mammals of the Pleistocene in Texas including 
saber-toothed cats, mammoths and giant ground sloths


Also from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm, don't miss the opening of our new 
interactive learning center, Explore Evolution, which gives visitors 
the opportunity to experience how scientists conduct their research 
on evolution and shows how evolution is fundamental to advances in 
science and medicine.


**

Texas Memorial Museum is part of the Texas Natural Science Center at 
UT Austin.   Regular museum hours are Monday-Friday, 9:00 am to 5:00 
pm, Saturday, 10:00 am to 5:00 pm, and Sunday, 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm. 
ALWAYS FREE ADMISSION.  Located at 2400 Trinity Street (2 blocks 
north of the UT stadium).  Learn more at 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers

2007-09-25 Thread Quinta
Thank you Louise for defending disabled cavers - me for one. I would rather be 
crawling but sure can not do any more. I miss it very much and this list sure 
helps.
Quinta Wilkinson
  - Original Message - 
  From: Louise Power 
  To: mmin...@nmhu.edu ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:05 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers


  Gee Mark, maybe we're just disabled cavers who would like to go but can't. 
Maybe we should just shoot ourselves since, apparently, if you can't go caving, 
life just isn't worth living.

  Louise



Bill Steele said: 

It seems to me if you haven't been in a cave in the past year, and you're 
reading this, then you are an above-ground caver.  Sometimes I call them 
surface-cavers.

  Those are more popularly known as armchair cavers.  :-)

Then there are those surface-cavers who haven't been in a cave in more 
than 20 years.  They could be called the surface-cavers emeritus.

  In other words, non-cavers or ex-cavers.  Sad.

Mark Minton


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[Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers

2007-09-25 Thread Minton, Mark
Gee Mark, maybe we're just disabled cavers who would like to go but can't. 
Maybe we should just shoot ourselves since, apparently, if you can't go 
caving, life just isn't worth living.
Thank you Louise for defending disabled cavers - me for one.

  Sorry, I was not intending to discredit anyone.  Maybe you're not really 
an ex-caver as long as you remain a caver at heart, especially if you have a 
physical limitation.  That hadn't occurred to me.  We all become arm-chair 
cavers someday, if we live that long.

Mark Minton


Re: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers

2007-09-25 Thread Quinta
It is easy to say things with out thinking - I have and do it often myself. 
Sure would like to go back to Devils Sinkhole!!! sigh
Quinta
  From: Minton, Mark 
  To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:21 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers


  Gee Mark, maybe we're just disabled cavers who would like to go but can't. 
Maybe we should just shoot ourselves since, apparently, if you can't go caving, 
life just isn't worth living.
  Thank you Louise for defending disabled cavers - me for one.

Sorry, I was not intending to discredit anyone.  Maybe you're not 
really an ex-caver as long as you remain a caver at heart, especially if you 
have a physical limitation.  That hadn't occurred to me.  We all become 
arm-chair cavers someday, if we live that long.

  Mark Minton

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers

2007-09-25 Thread Fritz Holt
SO WOULD I.

Fritz

 

  _  

From: Quinta [mailto:qui...@clearwire.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:02 PM
To: Minton, Mark; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers

 

It is easy to say things with out thinking - I have and do it often
myself. 

Sure would like to go back to Devils Sinkhole!!! sigh

Quinta

From: Minton, Mark mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu  

To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:21 AM

Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Above ground cavers

 

Gee Mark, maybe we're just disabled cavers who would like to go
but can't. Maybe we should just shoot ourselves since, apparently, if
you can't go caving, life just isn't worth living.

Thank you Louise for defending disabled cavers - me for one.

 

  Sorry, I was not intending to discredit anyone.  Maybe
you're not really an ex-caver as long as you remain a caver at heart,
especially if you have a physical limitation.  That hadn't occurred to
me.  We all become arm-chair cavers someday, if we live that long.

 

Mark Minton



[Texascavers] above ground caving vs. virtual reality caving

2007-09-25 Thread Diana Tomchick
All this talk about other-than-underground caving reminds me of an  
incident that occurred a few weeks ago. Will Harris, Bill Steele and  
I took a group of four young women from the Metroplex to Austin to  
introduce them to underground caving. BTW, many thanks to Julie  
Jenkins and the TCMA for providing access to Whirlpool and Maple Run  
Caves for our adventure. On the trip down to Austin on Saturday  
morning, the women had many questions about caving and cavers and we  
managed to spend the entire 3.5 hours regaling them with stories and  
assuring them that ceiling collapse was not a likely danger in most  
caves, and certainly not in the ones they would be visiting.


On Sunday morning, after our visit to Maple Run, we loaded up the  
truck and headed north. This time the conversation waned, so I  
plugged my iPod into the sound system and played a few episodes of  
NPR's Science Friday podcast (www.sciencefriday.com). The first  
episode featured astronomers who had discovered a hole in the  
universe--a region nearly a billion light-years across that is empty  
(no stars, no dust, no gas, no dark matter, nothing). That was kind  
of neat, thinking about exploring a giant hole in the universe,  
rather than a giant hole in the ground. The second episode featured a  
panel of guests who talked about on-line virtual worlds such as  
Second Life and World of Warcraft (see http://www.sciencefriday.com/ 
pages/2007/Aug/hour2_083107.html for this particular podcast). This  
sparked a brief discussion in the truck, as one of the young women  
has been an active participant in Second Life for many years. One of  
the guests in the podcast pointed out that many handicapped people  
find it therapeutic to participate in these on-line virtual reality  
worlds, as they are able to design avatars that aren't limited in  
their physical abilities.


So...does anyone out there know if there's a lot of caving going on  
in any of these on-line virtual reality worlds? Imagine the  
possibilities! Your avatar could look like Floyd Collins, or the  
Geico caveman, or just a really buff version of yourself. Think of  
the things you could discover while caving! Chupacabras, dragons,  
pirate booty, lost cities, wormholes to Mars, the connection between  
Carlsbad and Mammoth, the list goes on...


Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)


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Re: [Texascavers] above ground caving vs. virtual reality caving

2007-09-25 Thread Quinta
They started a bookcrossing group on second life so start a caving group. I 
did not join the bookcrossing second life as I spend the time reading.

Quinta
- Original Message - 
From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu

To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] above ground caving vs. virtual reality caving


All this talk about other-than-underground caving reminds me of an 
incident that occurred a few weeks ago. Will Harris, Bill Steele and  I 
took a group of four young women from the Metroplex to Austin to 
introduce them to underground caving. BTW, many thanks to Julie  Jenkins 
and the TCMA for providing access to Whirlpool and Maple Run  Caves for 
our adventure. On the trip down to Austin on Saturday  morning, the women 
had many questions about caving and cavers and we  managed to spend the 
entire 3.5 hours regaling them with stories and  assuring them that 
ceiling collapse was not a likely danger in most  caves, and certainly not 
in the ones they would be visiting.


On Sunday morning, after our visit to Maple Run, we loaded up the  truck 
and headed north. This time the conversation waned, so I  plugged my iPod 
into the sound system and played a few episodes of  NPR's Science Friday 
podcast (www.sciencefriday.com). The first  episode featured astronomers 
who had discovered a hole in the  universe--a region nearly a billion 
light-years across that is empty  (no stars, no dust, no gas, no dark 
matter, nothing). That was kind  of neat, thinking about exploring a giant 
hole in the universe,  rather than a giant hole in the ground. The second 
episode featured a  panel of guests who talked about on-line virtual 
worlds such as  Second Life and World of Warcraft (see 
http://www.sciencefriday.com/ pages/2007/Aug/hour2_083107.html for this 
particular podcast). This  sparked a brief discussion in the truck, as one 
of the young women  has been an active participant in Second Life for many 
years. One of  the guests in the podcast pointed out that many handicapped 
people  find it therapeutic to participate in these on-line virtual 
reality  worlds, as they are able to design avatars that aren't limited in 
their physical abilities.


So...does anyone out there know if there's a lot of caving going on  in 
any of these on-line virtual reality worlds? Imagine the  possibilities! 
Your avatar could look like Floyd Collins, or the  Geico caveman, or just 
a really buff version of yourself. Think of  the things you could discover 
while caving! Chupacabras, dragons,  pirate booty, lost cities, wormholes 
to Mars, the connection between  Carlsbad and Mammoth, the list goes on...


Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: 
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu

214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)


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[Texascavers] Robber Baron Workday - Sat, Oct 6

2007-09-25 Thread Joe Mitchell
Its fall and will hopefully be cooling off soon which means its time 
to start up the monthly Robber Baron work days again! A great deal 
has been accomplished by many, many volunteers over the last few 
years and now I think the end of the project can be glimpsed off in 
the distance ... but there is still a ways to go. A big thanks to 
everyone who has helped out so far!


The agenda for this work day has not yet been set, but may involve 
mowing the grounds, staining the fence posts of the new fence around 
the sinkhole, dirt hauling to grade the surface of the property, gate 
and fence work, and/or rock work at the bottom of the sinkhole around 
the entrance. More details about items needed will be forthcoming.


List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, October 6th, 9:00 am

Lunch will be provided to everyone who helps out!

The cave will be open to visits in the afternoon, so bring gear if 
you are interested in going in (some extra gear will be available if 
you don't)


If you're coming from out of town, accommodations can be arranged.

-Joe Mitchell

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[Texascavers] OT - LED's in projection TV's

2007-09-25 Thread David Locklear
This post is caving related because cavers are eventually going to
want to watch their HD caving videos on a big high-definition screen.


I saw a Samsung TV in the store today that uses LED's for its
projection source.

The advantage being longer lasting bulbs, no moving parts, and less
electricity.

Personally, I thought the picture was only viewable from dead-center
and it wasn't
near as sharp as the HD flat panel models.   ( They may not have had it
plugged into a HD source. )

And it was much more expensive than the others.

It is alleged to produce the best picture of the DLP models. It
should because
it cost twice as much.

Rumor is that the TV uses 230 watts of power, while a plasma screen can
use from 500 to 575 watts.  Meaning you are helping the environment by
using the LED-DLP for your HD viewing.  Also, rumor is the LED-DLP will
last more years than a LCD or plasma screen.  So maybe once the price
drops, this could be a good investment.

One blogger claims the TV uses 3 high-power LED's.

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/brands/samsung/led-engine.gif

The DLP chips are probably manufactured over-seas, but at least some
of the profit should come back home to Dallas where Texas Instruments
is located? If so, that could be a reason for some to consider the
LED-DLP.
versus a model made over the Pacific.

At least 3 owners give it a 5 star review.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/reviews/457391566

One DLP web-site alledges that the DLP tv's weigh 1/2 what a plasma TV
weighs.

It appears that the other DLP designs currently on the market, are
going to become extinct. I would have bought one a few weeks ago,
had I had the
money.Now I am glad I waited.

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project

2007-09-25 Thread Marvin Lisa
The dates for the rest of the year for the Government Canyon Karst Survey
Project are as follows:

 

October 28

 

November 17, 18

 

December 16

 

Ridgewalking, digging leads, and surveying caves are all on the agenda.
Camping is available. Contact me for details.

 

Directions to the gate of GCSNA.

Find the intersection of U.S. 16 and Loop 1604 in northwest Bexar County
(clearly shown on any state highway map). Drive 2 miles north on U.S. 16 to
the third traffic light and turn left onto FM 1560 (there is a Shell station
on the corner). Follow 1560 for 3 miles till you see a sign for Government
Canyon State Natural Area. Turn right following the sign and drive 2 miles
to the gate of GCSNA. Enter at the gate and then take the first right. There
is an unlocked gate that will need to be opened and then closed behind you.
Continue to the Volunteer/Research Station, where we will meet. 

We will meet at 9:00 each morning 

-Marvin Miller

(830) 885-5631

 



[Texascavers] TCMA Members Meeting

2007-09-25 Thread Linda Palit
Greetings, Cavers, 

 

I would like to announce that a TCMA members meeting will be held at TCR on
Sunday morning, tentatively at 9:30 am.  

TCMA is anxious to pay off the Deep and Punkin Preserve, and to find new
properties for development and management.  

 

More details to follow!  It will be a great TCR!

 

Linda