Re: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving

[Ted Samsel]

Too many adverbs  very relatively is a tad ambiguous..
T.
-Original Message- From: "Minton, Mark" Sent: Oct 29, 2007 9:34 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving 

 From http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/102707kvuecavefest-mm.1b28dd99f.html:

"Caving is a very, very relatively safe sport in austin," says Julie Jenkins.

 Say what? So, is it safe or not? :-)

Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

IMHO, Caving is safe provided you have:

1) Proper training
2) Proper equipment
3) Proper planning

as with anything else ... 


On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:02:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00) tbsam...@infionline.net wrote:
 Too many adverbs   very relatively is a tad ambiguous..
 
 T.
 
 
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 http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/102707kvuecavefest-mm.1b28dd99f.html:
   Caving is a very, very relatively safe sport in austin, says Julie
   Jenkins. Say what?  So, is it safe or not?  :-) Mark Minton
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving

[Chris Vreeland]

I'd heard somewhere (Now that's authoritative!) that when the overall  
stats of caver injury and death are added up vs. hours spent caving,  
it falls somewhere between Soccer and Golf on the scale of  
dangerosity. This doesn't include cave diving, which would skew the  
numbers, as diving appears to be quite a bit more dangerous. I have  
no authoritative statistics to back up that last statement, though --  
just a hunch.


CV

On Nov 1, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:


IMHO, Caving is safe provided you have:

1) Proper training
2) Proper equipment
3) Proper planning

as with anything else ...


On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:02:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)  
tbsam...@infionline.net wrote:

Too many adverbs   very relatively is a tad ambiguous..

T.


  -Original Message-
  From: Minton, Mark
  Sent: Oct 29, 2007 9:34 AM
  To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
  Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving

  From
  http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/102707kvuecavefest-mm. 
1b28dd99f.html:

Caving is a very, very relatively safe sport in austin, says Julie

  Jenkins. Say what?  So, is it safe or not?  :-) Mark Minton


http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/

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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving

[Lyndon Tiu]

People get injured or killed playing golf?!@#$%

On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:06:56 -0500 cvreel...@austin.rr.com wrote:
 I'd heard somewhere (Now that's authoritative!) that when the overall  
 stats of caver injury and death are added up vs. hours spent caving,  
 it falls somewhere between Soccer and Golf on the scale of  
 dangerosity. This doesn't include cave diving, which would skew the  
 numbers, as diving appears to be quite a bit more dangerous. I have  
 no authoritative statistics to back up that last statement, though --  
 just a hunch.
 
 CV
 
 On Nov 1, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
 
  IMHO, Caving is safe provided you have:
 
  1) Proper training
  2) Proper equipment
  3) Proper planning
 
  as with anything else ...
 
 
  On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:02:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)  
  tbsam...@infionline.net wrote:
  Too many adverbs   very relatively is a tad ambiguous..
 
  T.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Minton, Mark
Sent: Oct 29, 2007 9:34 AM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving
 
From
http://www.kvue.com/news/local/stories/102707kvuecavefest-mm. 
  1b28dd99f.html:
  Caving is a very, very relatively safe sport in austin, says Julie
Jenkins. Say what?  So, is it safe or not?  :-) Mark Minton
 
 
  http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/
 
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Austin Cave Fest promotes safe caving

[Gregg]

Dangerosity os a great word.

Chris Vreeland wrote:
I'd heard somewhere (Now that's authoritative!) that when the overall 
stats of caver injury and death are added up vs. hours spent caving, 
it falls somewhere between Soccer and Golf on the scale of 
dangerosity. This doesn't include cave diving, which would skew the 
numbers, as diving appears to be quite a bit more dangerous. I have no 
authoritative statistics to back up that last statement, though -- 
just a hunch.


CV



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Re: [Texascavers] OT - a personal post

[Charles Goldsmith]

David, you didn't indicate if this is something that you are happy about or
not, but if so, congratulations is in order.  I, for one, will miss your
postings about led's and such.  Good luck in your new endeavor and keep us
posted please.

Charles

On 10/30/07, David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

 I started a new career today.   I closed my previous business
 yesterday,
 after 9 years of struggling as a self-employed person.  I had a theory
 that if I were self-employed, I would be in control of my free-time and
 could
 go caving whenever I wanted.   But it didn't go as planned.

 At my new job, I am sitting behind a computer in a very dusty machine
 shop for 8 hours a day or more, and I will no longer have the time or
 the desire to surf the
 web, and go shopping for LED lights.  So I doubt I will be posting
 much
 of anything for the next couple of months.( I hear people shouting -
 Hoorah ! )

 In addition, I will no longer be driving much, so my mileage reports on
 my fuel-efficient vehicles won't be of much interest.

 I will leave it at that, but feel free to e-mail me privately if you
 would like to
 hear more about my mid-life career change.

 David Locklear
 caver in Fort Bend County

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Re: [Texascavers] Energy Issues

[Lyndon Tiu]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:24:40 -0700 (PDT) stephen...@yahoo.com wrote:
 King Hubbert accurately predicted in
 1956 that US oil production would peak in 1970, which it did. However, 
 his model is generally considered to have failed since, as his
 predicted bell shaped decline has been more of a modest sloping curve
 (including a second peak in 1985). 

May I add that Hubbert used conventional (liquid) oil in his calculations and 
did not include unconventionals like heavy oil, tar sands and oil shale. If you 
only include conventionals, I think the bell curve is steeper going down.

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Lyndon Tiu

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[Texascavers] Psst! Hey, buddy! Wanna buy a town?

[mark . alman]

Yes, you too, can be the owner of a whole town in Texas and the past
site of the 2007 TSA Spring Convention.
 
Here's the link:
 
 
http://www.alberttexas.com/home/owntown.php
 
 
TSA Land Fund purchase, perhaps?!  8^)
 
 
 
Later,
 
Mark A.
 
 

RE: [Texascavers] Psst! Hey, buddy! Wanna buy a town?

[Louise Power]

Wow! If I had $2 million +, I'd buy it and move back in a minute. To h*** with 
the planned improvements, I'd just want to live there with no interruptions. 
We've got enough Disneylands.
 
Louise 


From: mark.alman@l-3com.comDate: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:46:10 -0500To: 
Texascavers@texascavers.com.Subject: [Texascavers] Psst! Hey, buddy! Wanna buy 
a town?


Yes, you too, can be the owner of a whole town in Texas and the past site of 
the 2007 TSA Spring Convention.
 
Here's the link:
 
 
http://www.alberttexas.com/home/owntown.php
 
 
TSA Land Fund purchase, perhaps?!  8^)
 
 
 
Later,
 
Mark A.
 
 

[Texascavers] Whirlpool tomorrow!

[Túček]

I'm planning a beginners trip to Whirlpool Cave in Austin tomorrow (Nov 2)
meeting at 7:15pm. I still have spots for 4 or 5 people,
so if you want to come, drop me a line off-list!

-Heather Tucek
htu...@gmail.com
(512)773-1348

[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project

[Marvin Lisa]

Just a reminder that the November karst project weekend at Government Canyon
State Natural Area is scheduled for the 17th and 18th. 

 

Directions to the gate of GCSNA.

Find the intersection of U.S. 16 and Loop 1604 in northwest Bexar County
(clearly shown on any state highway map). Drive 2 miles north on U.S. 16 to
the third traffic light and turn left onto FM 1560 (there is a Shell station
on the corner). Follow 1560 for 3 miles till you see the sign for GCSNA.
Follow the arrow to the right and drive 2 more miles to the sharp left turn
in the road. The gate to GCSNA is straight ahead. Enter at the gate and then
take the first right. There is an unlocked gate that will need to be opened
and then closed behind you. Continue to the Volunteer/Research Station,
where we will meet. 

 

Contact me if you want to camp.

 

Marvin Miller

(830) 885-5631

 

[Texascavers] RE: Dangers of caving

[Minton, Mark]

  Chris Vreeland said:

caving, it falls somewhere between Soccer and Golf on the scale of 
dangerosity. This doesn't include cave diving, which would skew the numbers, 
as diving appears to be quite a bit more dangerous.

  I really like dangerosity!  :-)  Even the kind of dry caving you do, and 
where you do it, greatly affects the risk.  The original statement concerned 
caving in Austin, which must be on the safer end of all types of caving.  For 
example, there are few vertical drops and flooding is generally not much of an 
issue, although it can be in certain cases.  The caves, with a couple of 
exceptions, are not very long or complex and they are relatively warm.  I can 
think of many more dangerous places to go caving.  As they say, the most 
dangerous part of a caving trip is the drive there and back!  That probably 
applies to soccer, golf, and most other sports as well.

  Lyndon Tiu said:

People get injured or killed playing golf?!

  Killed probably not, but injured, sure.  Golfer's elbow, for example.  
What about being hit by an errant ball?  Here's a case of both:  
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1898186.htm  I'd stay 
underground where it's safer!  ;-)

Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Dangers of caving

[John P Brooks]

   
   
  People get injured or killed playing golf?!
   
Killed probably not, but injured, sure.  Golfer's elbow, for example.  
   
  What about the risk of being struck by lightening while playing golf? That is 
probably more likely to occur than having a caving accident. And of course 
there is the threat of drive by shootings while on the golf course. And then 
there is the dreaded fashion mistake of wearing seer sucker shorts before 
Memorial Daywhich can lead to a lifetime banishment from the country 
clubforcing one onto to Municipal Courses adjacent to the civic zoo which 
might lead to an escape by dangerous animalsand one encountering a tiget on 
the 13th hole.
  Personally, I will take my chances undergroundas I have no desire to walk 
around a field with a lightening rod in my hands.

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Dangers of caving

[mark . alman]

Golf is a good walk spoiled.
 
Mark Twain
 
 
 



From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:01 AM
To: Minton, Mark; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Dangers of caving




 
 
People get injured or killed playing golf?!
 
  Killed probably not, but injured, sure.  Golfer's elbow,
for example.  
 
What about the risk of being struck by lightening while playing
golf? That is probably more likely to occur than having a caving
accident. And of course there is the threat of drive by shootings while
on the golf course. And then there is the dreaded fashion mistake of
wearing seer sucker shorts before Memorial Daywhich can lead to a
lifetime banishment from the country clubforcing one onto to
Municipal Courses adjacent to the civic zoo which might lead to an
escape by dangerous animalsand one encountering a tiget on the 13th
hole.
Personally, I will take my chances undergroundas I have no
desire to walk around a field with a lightening rod in my hands.

[Texascavers] Dangers of golfing

[gille]

-- Original message --
From: Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu
   Lyndon Tiu said:
 People get injured or killed playing golf?!
 
   Killed probably not, but injured, sure. 
 Mark Minton

A lot of golfers get killed every year by lightning. I don't know about kite 
flyers.

--Ediger 


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[Texascavers] TSA Officer Elections

[Linda Palit]

Ballots for the TSA officers were sent out today.

Running for President is John Brooks, Secretary is Mark Alman,
Vice-President is Robert Bisset, and Treasurer is Darla Bishop.  There is
also room for write in candidates.  Deadline for returning your ballot is
November 20.  

 

Please watch of the ballot, and if you feel you should have received one and
have not done so by the middle of next week, please let me know.

Thanks, 

Linda

[Texascavers] TSA Officer Elections

[Linda Palit]

Ballots for the TSA officers were sent out today.

 

Running for President is John Brooks. Running for Secretary is Mark Alman.
Running for  Vice-President is Robert Bisset. And running for Treasurer is
Darla Bishop.  There is also room for write in candidates.  Deadline for
returning your ballot is November 20.  

 

Please watch for the ballot, and if you feel you should have received one
and have not done so by the middle of next week, please let me know.

Thanks, 

Linda