RE: [Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project dates
Thanks for the info, Marvin. Glad to see the Gov't Canyon Project is back up and running and welcome back to the Lone Star State! PROJECT LEADERS - please be sure to list your projects on the TSA Calendar page (http://www.cavetexas.org/calendar/index.php), so all interested cavers and prospective TSA members can see what opportunities are afforded to them to get underground. The only projects I have seen listed are the CBSP project weekends. (Good job, Crash!). Look for some new projects to be listed early next year. Thanks, Mark From: Marvin Lisa [mailto:mlmil...@gvtc.com] Sent: Wed 11/18/2009 7:45 PM To: texascavers Subject: [Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project dates Cavers, There will be no scheduled weekend in December for the Government Canyon Karst Project. The dates scheduled for the first three months of 2010 are: January 17 (Sunday only) February 20, 21 March 20, 21 Put these dates on your calendars. Reminders will be sent out several weeks ahead of time. Contact me, Marvin Miller, with any questions. 830-885-5631 (home) 210-415-5190 (cell)
[Texascavers] Re: Have you been short changed at a Pemex?
Preston said: I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex. A common way they used to get people at Pemex was to not zero the pump when they start filling your tank. That way you end up paying for what was already dispensed to the guy before you as well as your own fuel. That is less a problem now because modern pumps automatically zero out when they are activated for a new sale, but I still always check. Another scam when you pay is to claim you gave them a smaller bill than you did and thus give you less change, for instance giving you change for a 200 when you gave them a 500. Once the bill you gave them disappears into their pocket it is difficult to prove what you gave them. I usually point out the denomination when I hand it to the clerk and seek acknowledgment. I often use big bills at Pemex because it is one of the places that can always make change, unlike tiendas in small towns. Of course you always want to count your change, because they will sometimes give you less than you're owed hoping you won't bother to count it. That happens at toll booths too, where people are in a hurry and roar off before counting their change. It is interesting that the guy from the RV forum mentioned paying for gas with a credit or debit card. He was on Highway 15 in western Mexico and they may take those cards there, but I almost never see gas stations in central or eastern Mexico that do. I wish they did, because that would decrease the amount of cash we need to carry. Mark Minton I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex. Here is a story from a Mexico rv forum. In my 9 years of coming to Mexico for the winter,I've always been careful to watch what the attendant does,but today he got me just when I was distracted for a second.He shut it down and replaced the cap and told me to come inside for paying.I hesitated and walked back to see the amount and the pumps were blank. He took a minute or two waiting for the machine to spit out a receipt,then he handed it to me and right away I noticed it was for at least $26.00 more than it should be.I deal with liters at home so I know almost exactly what it takes,and knew this was wrong, but he didn't back down.He was charging me for 83 liters and the truck only holds 100 and it was just below half when I came in. I had no proof to argue the point,so paid and stomped out only to find my gauge reading 3/4 full. And now as I sit at the RV park in Hermosillo,I look at that receipt,which by the way he crumpled up and threw away and I retrieved,and I see that it is dated for yesterday at 5:17.Not even my receipt. So be ware you guys coming down Mex 15.Its just a few miles south of Santa Ana.A big one on the west side.#3811 Can anyone direct me to a site to go after these guys? Send a complaint to this email: satciu...@cgc.pemex.com It is important to always ask for a ticket. With the ticket, you have a much better chance of winning your case. Just ask for a comprobante or ticket. If you pay with credit or debit there is no losing, you have all the proof you want. Hope this helps someone. This type of problem in Mexico is not as common as it once was, but it still pays to be alert at the gas station. Preston in Outer Browder, KY You may reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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[ot_caving] FW: HOLIDAY PARTY
Happy holidays to all. Fritz Subject: OFFICE CHRISTMAS PARTY MEMOS Way too funny (remember to scroll down) Company Memo FROM:Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO: All Employees DATE:October 1, 2008 RE: Gala Christmas Party I'm happy to inform you that the company Christmas Party will take place on December 23rd, starting at noon in the private function room at the Grill House. There will be a cash bar and plenty of drinks! We'll have a small band playing traditional carols... feel free to sing along. And don't be surprised if our CEO shows up dressed as Santa Claus! A Christmas tree will be lit at 1:00 PM. Exchanges of gifts among employees can be done at that time; however, no gift should be over $10.00 to make the giving of gifts easy for everyone's pockets. This gathering is only for employees! Our CEO will make a special announcement at that time! Merry Christmas to you and your family, Patty Company Memo FROM:Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO: All Employees DATE:October 2, 2008 RE: Gala Holiday Party In no way was yesterday's memo intended to exclude our Jewish employees. We recognize that Hanukkah is an important holiday, which often coincides with Christmas, though unfortunately not this year. However, from now on, we're calling it our Holiday Party. The same policy applies to any other employees who are not Christians and to those still celebrating Reconciliation Day. There will be no Christmas tree and no Christmas carols will be sung. We will have other types of music for your enjoyment. Happy now? Happy Holidays to you and your family, Patty Company Memo FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO:All Employees DATE: October 3, 2008 RE: Holiday Party Regarding the note I received from a member of Alcoholics Anonymous requesting a non-drinking table, you didn't sign your name.. I'm happy to accommodate this request, but if I put a sign on a table that reads, AA Only, you wouldn't be anonymous anymore. How am I supposed to handle this? Somebody? And sorry, but forget about the gift exchange, no gifts are allowed since the union members feel that $10.00 is too much money and the executives believe $10.00 is a little chintzy. REMEMBER: NO GIFTS EXCHANGE WILL BE ALLOWED. Company Memo FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director To:All Employees DATE: October 4, 2008 RE:Generic Holiday Party What a diverse group we are! I had no idea that December 20th begins the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which forbids eating and drinking during daylight hours. There goes the party! Seriously, we can appreciate how a luncheon at this time of year does not accommodate our Muslim employees' beliefs. Perhaps the Grill House can hold off on serving your meal until the end of the party or else package everything for you to take it home in little foil doggy baggy. Will that work? Meanwhile, I've arranged for members of Weight Watchers to sit farthest from the dessert buffet, and pregnant women will get the table closest to the restrooms. Gays are allowed to sit with each other. Lesbians do not have to sit with Gay men, each group will have their own table. Yes, there will be flower arrangement for the Gay men's table. To the person asking permission to cross dress, the Grill House asks that no cross-dressing be allowed, apparently because of concerns about confusion in the restrooms. Sorry. We will have booster seats for short people. Low-fat food will be available for those on a diet. I am sorry to report that we cannot control the amount of salt used in the food . The Grill House suggests that people with high blood pressure taste a bite first. There will be fresh low sugar fruits as dessert for diabetics, but the restaurant cannot supply no sugar desserts. Sorry! Did I miss anything?!?!? Patty Company Memo FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO: All F*%^ing Employees DATE:October 5, 2008 RE: The F*%^ing Holiday Party I've had it with you vegetarian pricks!!! We're going to keep this party at the Grill House whether you like it or not, so you can sit quietly at the table furthest from the grill of death, as you so quaintly put it, and you'll get your f*%^ing salad bar, including organic tomatoes. But you know, tomatoes have feelings, too. They scream when you slice them. I've heard them scream. I'm hearing them scream right NOW! The rest of you f*%^ing weirdos can kiss my *ss. I hope you all have a rotten holiday! Drive drunk and die, The B*tch from H*ll!!! Company Memo FROM: Joan Bishop, Acting Human Resources Director DATE: October 6,
Fwd: [ot_caving] FW: HOLIDAY PARTY
-- Forwarded message -- From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM Subject: [ot_caving] FW: HOLIDAY PARTY To: Off-Topic Texas Cavers o...@texascavers.com Happy holidays to all. Fritz -- *Subject*: OFFICE CHRISTMAS PARTY MEMOS Way too funny (remember to scroll *down)* * -- * *Compan*y *Memo* FROM:Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO: All Employees DATE:October 1, 2008 RE: Gala Christmas Party I'm happy to inform you that the company Christmas Party will take place on December 23rd, starting at noon in the private function room at the Grill House. There will be a cash bar and plenty of drinks! We'll have a small band playing traditional carols... feel free to sing along. And don't be surprised if our CEO shows up dressed as Santa Claus! A Christmas tree will be lit at 1:00 PM. Exchanges of gifts among employees can be done at that time; however, no gift should be over $10.00 to make the giving of gifts easy for everyone's pockets. This gathering is only for employees! Our CEO will make a special announcement at that time! Merry Christmas to you and your family, * *Patty -- *Company Memo* FROM:Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO: All Employees DATE:October 2, 2008 RE: Gala Holiday Party In no way was yesterday's memo intended to exclude our Jewish employees. We recognize that Hanukkah is an important holiday, which often coincides with Christmas, though unfortunately not this year. However, from now on, we're calling it our Holiday Party. The same policy applies to any other employees who are not Christians and to those still celebrating Reconciliation Day. There will be no Christmas tree and no Christmas carols will be sung. We will have other types of music for your enjoyment. Happy now? Happy Holidays to you and your family, Patty -- *Company Memo * FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO:All Employees DATE: October 3, 2008 RE: Holiday Party Regarding the note I received from a member of Alcoholics Anonymous requesting a non-drinking table, you didn't sign your name.. I'm happy to accommodate this request, but if I put a sign on a table that reads, AA Only, you wouldn't be anonymous anymore. How am I supposed to handle this? Somebody? And sorry, but forget about the gift exchange, no gifts are allowed since the union members feel that $10.00 is too much money and the executives believe $10.00 is a little chintzy. *REMEMBER: *NO GIFTS EXCHANGE WILL BE ALLOWED. -- *Company Memo * FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director To:All Employees DATE: October 4, 2008 RE:Generic Holiday Party What a diverse group we are! I had no idea that December 20th begins the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which forbids eating and drinking during daylight hours. There goes the party! Seriously, we can appreciate how a luncheon at this time of year does not accommodate our Muslim employees' beliefs. Perhaps the Grill House can hold off on serving your meal until the end of the party or else package everything for you to take it home in little foil doggy baggy. Will that work? Meanwhile, I've arranged for members of Weight Watchers to sit farthest from the dessert buffet, and pregnant women will get the table closest to the restrooms. Gays are allowed to sit with each other. Lesbians do not have to sit with Gay men, each group will have their own table. Yes, there will be flower arrangement for the Gay men's table. To the person asking permission to cross dress, the Grill House asks that no cross-dressing be allowed, apparently because of concerns about confusion in the restrooms. Sorry. We will have booster seats for short people. Low-fat food will be available for those on a diet. I am sorry to report that we cannot control the amount of salt used in the food . The Grill House suggests that people with high blood pressure taste a bite first. There will be fresh low sugar fruits as dessert for diabetics, but the restaurant cannot supply* no sugar *desserts. Sorry! Did I miss anything?!?!? Patty -- *Company Memo * FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director TO: All F*%^ing Employees DATE:October 5, 2008 RE: The F*%^ing Holiday Party I've had it with you vegetarian pricks!!! We're going to keep this party at the Grill House whether you like it or not, so you can sit quietly at the table furthest from the grill of death, as you so quaintly put it, and you'll get your f*%^ing salad bar, including organic tomatoes. But you know, tomatoes have feelings, too. They scream when you slice them. I've heard them scream. I'm hearing them scream right NOW! The rest of you f*%^ing
RE: [Texascavers] Havew you been short changed at a Pemex?
Preston, I know what you mean. Many years ago, I was returning from Oaxaca and only a few miles south of the border I noticed I was running way low on gas, so I pulled in at the first station I came to. Big mistake. I did my usual stand by the truck while it was being filled, but before I knew what was happening, the guy started letting the gas run out of the tank onto the ground. I yelled at him to stop, but he and his buddies started laughing. I grabbed the hose out of his hand and put it back in the pump. I only paid him up to the point where he started letting it run out on the ground. When he started to argue, I told him I'd call the policia an let them decide. He finally relented and I left. Watch what's going on at the pump and at the credit card scanner. I know a couple of people who had their cards double swiped. They tried to do that to me on this side of the border in Laredo one time. Fortunately for me, I follow my card around. Louise From: pns_...@bellsouth.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:07:33 -0600 Subject: [Texascavers] Havew you been short changed at a Pemex? I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex. Here is a story from a Mexico rv forum. In my 9 years of coming to Mexico for the winter,I've always been careful to watch what the attendant does,but today he got me just when I was distracted for a second.He shut it down and replaced the cap and told me to come inside for paying.I hesitated and walked back to see the amount and the pumps were blank. He took a minute or two waiting for the machine to spit out a receipt,then he handed it to me and right away I noticed it was for at least $26.00 more than it should be.I deal with liters at home so I know almost exactly what it takes,and knew this was wrong, but he didn't back down.He was charging me for 83 liters and the truck only holds 100 and it was just below half when I came in. I had no proof to argue the point,so paid and stomped out only to find my gauge reading 3/4 full. And now as I sit at the RV park in Hermosillo,I look at that receipt,which by the way he crumpled up and threw away and I retrieved,and I see that it is dated for yesterday at 5:17.Not even my receipt. So be ware you guys coming down Mex 15.Its just a few miles south of Santa Ana.A big one on the west side.#3811 Can anyone direct me to a site to go after these guys? Send a complaint to this email: satciu...@cgc.pemex.com It is important to always ask for a ticket. With the ticket, you have a much better chance of winning your case. Just ask for a comprobante or ticket. If you pay with credit or debit there is no losing, you have all the proof you want. Hope this helps someone. This type of problem in Mexico is not as common as it once was, but it still pays to be alert at the gas station. Preston in Outer Browder, KY
texascavers Digest 19 Nov 2009 18:01:40 -0000 Issue 889
texascavers Digest 19 Nov 2009 18:01:40 - Issue 889 Topics (messages 12626 through 12635): Collecting Photos of Ed Alexander 12626 by: Maryanne Moore Antioch Cave, Austin Tx to be featured on KXAN at 6 PM Wednesday 12627 by: Jules Jenkins dry (well, sort of) cave in Quinatana Roo 12628 by: Mixon Bill Government Canyon Karst Project dates 12629 by: Marvin Lisa 12631 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Havew you been short changed at a Pemex? 12630 by: Preston Forsythe 12634 by: Louise Power Re: Have you been short changed at a Pemex? 12632 by: Mark Minton Re: Trouble at PEMEX 12633 by: Carl Kunath 12635 by: Nico Escamilla Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- As you know, there will be a memorial service for Ed Alexander on Sunday, December 6. I am coordinating a slideshow of photos of Ed for the event. I'd like to get everyone to contribute some of their favorite shots of Ed. In order to facilitate the gathering process, I've created a Google gmail account and a Google Picasa (photo album) account. If you have digital images you want to share, send them to edalexphotos.tosh...@picasaweb.com. You can attach multiple photos to one email. Whatever you put in the subject line of the email becomes the caption for all attached photos. So, you could easily label 5 or 6 photos Cave Trip 2001 or something like that to help organize them. There is only 1 GB of space available for pictures, so I will monitor it and download the pictures periodically. I will be out of town for several days next week, so if the picasa site fills up, just email them directly to edalexpho...@gmail.com and I'll get them when I return. If you want to look and see what is on the picasa site or verify that your photos arrived, go to http://picasaweb.google.com/edalexphotos . Shared pictures will be in the Drop Box album. If you have slides or prints/negatives you want to share, I have a scanner that can be used. You can contact me directly to arrange a time for using it. If there is enough interest, I could set it up at my office near Mopac and next weekend for whoever wants to can come by and use it. If anyone else has a scanner, they could set it up as well to speed things up. Also, you could bring a CD or flash drive with pictures on it to the memorial service and we can add them there. Maryanne Moore 512-627-5813 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- From: Julie Jenkins jjenk...@bseacd.org Subject: Antioch Cave to be featured on KXAN at 6 PM Wednesday Nov. 18th. Jim Swift, of KXAN, visited Antioch Cave yesterday. He said that the story will be aired today on the 6 PM news. He rappelled into the cave and took some video while crawling down the passage. Huge thanks to Charley Savvas and Bill Russell for their expertise and assistance w/getting Jim Swift and his camera man in and out of the cave. Antioch Cave, owned by the Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District is the largest recharge cave site located in a creek on the Barton Springs segment of the aquifer. Several cavers over the years have been involved in mapping and exploration of this cave. Typically the air is not great because the cave takes on such a huge bedload of organic debris and other types of debris that there is lots of high CO2 back further in the cave. We're very excited that our efforts to put as much good input of water into the aquifer as is possible. We believe the limiting factor has been the tight shaft entrance, which Charley has opened up and the ability to keep the debris from restricting flow. Again, our thanks to Charley and Wm. There will be a video link to their website to follow. jules ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- http://www.cave-exploration.com/riosecreto/riosecreto.htm -- Mixon Rules to live by: Don't, and don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Cavers, There will be no scheduled weekend in December for the Government Canyon Karst Project. The dates scheduled for the first three months of 2010 are: January 17 (Sunday only) February 20, 21 March 20, 21 Put these dates on your calendars. Reminders will be sent out several weeks ahead of time. Contact me, Marvin Miller, with any questions. 830-885-5631 (home) 210-415-5190 (cell)
Re: [Texascavers] archiving your data
While I agree with Bill's thinking about the retrieval of data in the future, one shouldn't overlook the critical part of the whole affair: MAKE A QUALITY BACKUP. The issue of being able to recover the data in the future will be a moot point if the files are corrupt from the beginning. To this end, one should choose the highest quality media available. There are GREAT differences. A bit of research is in order. For those interested, here is a good place to begin: http://dpbestflow.org/node/260 ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill To: Cavers Texas Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: [Texascavers] archiving your cave data Don't spend extra money on archival CD-Rs or DVD-Rs. As I've pointed out before, _any_ such media, properly stored (which doesn't mean in sealed in dry nitrogen, just in a case, upright, like a book on a shelf, in normal indoor environment) will outlast the technology, which means that the data on it will be good when you no longer have anything that will read it. Estimates for R media are at least 200 years; for RW, 50 years. Those little hard-shell 3.5-inch floppies were introduced only 25 years ago; seen one lately? I don't think even David's elaborate scheme of including the necessary hardware in a time capsule would work. Modern computer chips will probably not last that long even if not powered, due to diffusion of the atoms in the extremely tiny features. Anyway, there wouldn't be any convenient way to get the data out of the computer, even if you could read it on screen. Who will have a USB cable 500 years from now? Just assume electonically archived data will have to be recopied every twenty years to keep up with hardward and software evolution. Or of course, for the Luddite, good-quality paper or black-and-white microfilm film are considered archival and don't require much equipment to read. -- Mixon
[Texascavers] Rooms--OT
I had an inquiry today from an old friend looking for a couple of rooms near Austin to rent in the next week or two for a short term--like 6 months/say May or June--for himself and well-behaved, functional, intelligent teenage offspring. If you have or know of such a situation please contact me and I'll pass it along. --Ediger
[Texascavers] Ciudad Victoria - Hacienda name needed
A few years ago on a trip to Brinco we stopped at a old Hacienda at the base of the mountain that was being converted into a hotel. Does anyone know its name or if it has a website? Joe
[Texascavers] Re: Ciudad Victoria - Hacienda name needed
Joe, A few years ago on a trip to Brinco we stopped at a old Hacienda at the base of the mountain that was being converted into a hotel. Does anyone know its name or if it has a website? That was probably Hacienda Santa Engracia: http://www.haciendase.com/. Mark Minton You may reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 20 Nov 2009 06:55:43 -0000 Issue 890
texascavers Digest 20 Nov 2009 06:55:43 - Issue 890 Topics (messages 12636 through 12645): Ciudad Victoria - Hacienda name needed 12636 by: jranzau.gmail.com 12640 by: Mark Minton Re: archiving your data 12637 by: Carl Kunath Re: Trouble at PEMEX 12638 by: Sheryl Rieck Rooms--OT 12639 by: Gill Edigar KXAN's Jim Swift in Antioch Cave 12641 by: Jules Jenkins 12642 by: Travis Scott 12643 by: Don Cooper Edwards Aquifer Recovery Implementation Program takes first steps : 12644 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com aquifer question 12645 by: David Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- A few years ago on a trip to Brinco we stopped at a old Hacienda at the base of the mountain that was being converted into a hotel. Does anyone know its name or if it has a website? Joe ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Joe, A few years ago on a trip to Brinco we stopped at a old Hacienda at the base of the mountain that was being converted into a hotel. Does anyone know its name or if it has a website? That was probably Hacienda Santa Engracia: http://www.haciendase.com/. Mark Minton You may reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- While I agree with Bill's thinking about the retrieval of data in the future, one shouldn't overlook the critical part of the whole affair: MAKE A QUALITY BACKUP. The issue of being able to recover the data in the future will be a moot point if the files are corrupt from the beginning. To this end, one should choose the highest quality media available. There are GREAT differences. A bit of research is in order. For those interested, here is a good place to begin: http://dpbestflow.org/node/260 ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill To: Cavers Texas Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: [Texascavers] archiving your cave data Don't spend extra money on archival CD-Rs or DVD-Rs. As I've pointed out before, _any_ such media, properly stored (which doesn't mean in sealed in dry nitrogen, just in a case, upright, like a book on a shelf, in normal indoor environment) will outlast the technology, which means that the data on it will be good when you no longer have anything that will read it. Estimates for R media are at least 200 years; for RW, 50 years. Those little hard-shell 3.5-inch floppies were introduced only 25 years ago; seen one lately? I don't think even David's elaborate scheme of including the necessary hardware in a time capsule would work. Modern computer chips will probably not last that long even if not powered, due to diffusion of the atoms in the extremely tiny features. Anyway, there wouldn't be any convenient way to get the data out of the computer, even if you could read it on screen. Who will have a USB cable 500 years from now? Just assume electonically archived data will have to be recopied every twenty years to keep up with hardward and software evolution. Or of course, for the Luddite, good-quality paper or black-and-white microfilm film are considered archival and don't require much equipment to read. -- Mixon ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- This is all very good information since we are going to Mexico on Saturday and I haven't been in quite some time. Sheryl ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I had an inquiry today from an old friend looking for a couple of rooms near Austin to rent in the next week or two for a short term--like 6 months/say May or June--for himself and well-behaved, functional, intelligent teenage offspring. If you have or know of such a situation please contact me and I'll pass it along. --Ediger ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- fyi- it is what it is.. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/weather/scientists-unveil-new-cave-entrance ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Read the kid's comment at the bottom of the story, is it really not locked? Jules Jenkins wrote: fyi- it is what it is.. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/weather/scientists-unveil-new-cave-entrance -- Travis Scott 979.450.0103 Cell tra...@oztotl.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- could I get a payin part time job for moving those rocks around? -WaV On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Jules Jenkins julesje...@yahoo.com wrote: fyi- it is what it is..
[Texascavers] aquifer question
I live about 300 meters from sewage treatment plant that dumps the treated sewage directly into a creek that flows 1 mile downstream to the Brazos River, and then 100 miles or so later ends up in the Gulf. What happens to all the treated sewage water in the Edwards Aquifer area ? On a related note, but mainly for you birders: If you look at the discharge into this creek, it stinks really bad for over 100 meters. The marshy creek at the discharge is full of cattail like vegetation growing in the water and lots of water birds. I am not a birder ( yet ), but I think it is common to see the marsh feeding birds at the discharge, like: Great Blue Heron, Black-crowed Night Heron, Reddish Egret, Roseate Spoonbill, Snowy Egret, Tri-colored Heron, White Ibis, etc. There is also lots of nutria in a culvert downstream. Other critters in the area are turtles. But I haven't seen any fish. The marshy creek is only a foot deep, so there is no where for them to hide from the birds.( This creek may just be a man-made dredged channel, or at least that is what it is now. ) What I am getting at here, is this discharge does not appear to be hurting the environment, but I wouldn't want to go swimming in the Brazos River downstream of there. You wouldn't swim there anyways, as the gators would swallow you whole in one gulp.
[Texascavers] Re: Trouble at PEMEX
Mark's points and advice are well stated. It's easy to be distracted,
especially at the busier places where the activity can be frantic and the noise
can be deafening. Now add to that the little urchins selling Chiclets and
wiping your windshield with an oily rag. I was scammed at a PEMEX in
Chihuahua, Chihuahua when I failed to certify that the pump was zeroed before
unlocking my gas cap to allow them to begin fueling. When the total was
announced, I complained and pointed out that they had delivered about double
my maximum capacity but it fell on deaf ears. It's a great scam and when it
happens, you've been had.
As for paying the bill, you are certainly vulnerable when you hand over a large
bill -- especially when the attendant heads for the office to make change. I
think it's better to have close to the exact change available. Plan ahead.
===Carl Kunath
- Original Message -
From: Mark Minton
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Have you been short changed at a Pemex?
Preston said:
I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex.
A common way they used to get people at Pemex was to not
zero the pump when they start filling your tank. That way you end up
paying for what was already dispensed to the guy before you as well
as your own fuel. That is less a problem now because modern pumps
automatically zero out when they are activated for a new sale, but I
still always check. Another scam when you pay is to claim you gave
them a smaller bill than you did and thus give you less change, for
instance giving you change for a 200 when you gave them a 500. Once
the bill you gave them disappears into their pocket it is difficult
to prove what you gave them. I usually point out the denomination
when I hand it to the clerk and seek acknowledgment. I often use big
bills at Pemex because it is one of the places that can always make
change, unlike tiendas in small towns. Of course you always want to
count your change, because they will sometimes give you less than
you're owed hoping you won't bother to count it. That happens at
toll booths too, where people are in a hurry and roar off before
counting their change.
It is interesting that the guy from the RV forum mentioned
paying for gas with a credit or debit card. He was on Highway 15 in
western Mexico and they may take those cards there, but I almost
never see gas stations in central or eastern Mexico that do. I wish
they did, because that would decrease the amount of cash we need to carry.
Mark Minton
--
I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex.
In my 9 years of coming to Mexico for the winter,I've always been
careful to watch what the attendant does,but today he got me just
when I was distracted for a second.
it was for
at least $26.00 more than it should be.I deal with liters at home so
I know almost exactly what it takes,and knew this was wrong, but he
didn't back down.He was charging me for 83 liters and the truck only
holds 100 and it was just below half when I came in.
Hope this helps someone. This type of problem in Mexico is not as
common as it once was, but it still pays to be alert at the gas station.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Trouble at PEMEX
Almost every single PEMEX station will steal from you, some more than others because the profit margin per liter is really small so the pumps actually pump slightly less than what its shown on the display, again some do it more so than others. Only one time have I been to a shameless stealer station.. I have a 51 liter fuel tank in my car I asked them to fill it up and they did zero the pump and all, when I turned again to look at the pump cause it was taking longer than usual it was already at 60 liters.. and I still had only slightly less than 1/4 of a tank when I stopped to fill up, I asked to speak with the manager and they refused so I did the next logical thing and called PROFECO (consumer protection comission) two days later that station was on the news, PROFECO had closed them for tweaking their pumps to pump way less than what the screen showed. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.netwrote: Mark's points and advice are well stated. It's easy to be distracted, especially at the busier places where the activity can be frantic and the noise can be deafening. Now add to that the little urchins selling Chiclets and wiping your windshield with an oily rag. I was scammed at a PEMEX in Chihuahua, Chihuahua when I failed to certify that the pump was zeroed before unlocking my gas cap to allow them to begin fueling. When the total was announced, I complained and pointed out that they had delivered about double my maximum capacity but it fell on deaf ears. It's a great scam and when it happens, you've been had. As for paying the bill, you are certainly vulnerable when you hand over a large bill -- especially when the attendant heads for the office to make change. I think it's better to have close to the exact change available. Plan ahead. ===Carl Kunath -- - Original Message - *From:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:04 AM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Re: Have you been short changed at a Pemex? Preston said: I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex. A common way they used to get people at Pemex was to not zero the pump when they start filling your tank. That way you end up paying for what was already dispensed to the guy before you as well as your own fuel. That is less a problem now because modern pumps automatically zero out when they are activated for a new sale, but I still always check. Another scam when you pay is to claim you gave them a smaller bill than you did and thus give you less change, for instance giving you change for a 200 when you gave them a 500. Once the bill you gave them disappears into their pocket it is difficult to prove what you gave them. I usually point out the denomination when I hand it to the clerk and seek acknowledgment. I often use big bills at Pemex because it is one of the places that can always make change, unlike tiendas in small towns. Of course you always want to count your change, because they will sometimes give you less than you're owed hoping you won't bother to count it. That happens at toll booths too, where people are in a hurry and roar off before counting their change. It is interesting that the guy from the RV forum mentioned paying for gas with a credit or debit card. He was on Highway 15 in western Mexico and they may take those cards there, but I almost never see gas stations in central or eastern Mexico that do. I wish they did, because that would decrease the amount of cash we need to carry. Mark Minton -- I have been ripped off a time or two at Pemex. In my 9 years of coming to Mexico for the winter,I've always been careful to watch what the attendant does,but today he got me just when I was distracted for a second. it was for at least $26.00 more than it should be.I deal with liters at home so I know almost exactly what it takes,and knew this was wrong, but he didn't back down.He was charging me for 83 liters and the truck only holds 100 and it was just below half when I came in. Hope this helps someone. This type of problem in Mexico is not as common as it once was, but it still pays to be alert at the gas station. Preston in Outer Browder, KY
RE: [Texascavers] Re: Trouble at PEMEX
This is all very good information since we are going to Mexico on Saturday and I haven't been in quite some time. Sheryl
[Texascavers] KXAN's Jim Swift in Antioch Cave
fyi- it is what it is.. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/weather/scientists-unveil-new-cave-entrance
Re: [Texascavers] KXAN's Jim Swift in Antioch Cave
Read the kid's comment at the bottom of the story, is it really not locked? Jules Jenkins wrote: fyi- it is what it is.. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/weather/scientists-unveil-new-cave-entrance -- Travis Scott 979.450.0103 Cell tra...@oztotl.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] KXAN's Jim Swift in Antioch Cave
could I get a payin part time job for moving those rocks around? -WaV On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Jules Jenkins julesje...@yahoo.com wrote: fyi- it is what it is.. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/weather/scientists-unveil-new-cave-entrance
