[Texascavers] Boy Scout Climbing Director needed
All, Concho Valley Council needs a Climbing Director for Camp Sol Mayer 2012 Summer Camp. Staff week for the camp starts June 2nd and the next 3 weeks are 3 camp sessions, Sunday afternoon through Saturday morning. If you are interested but not certified for BSA Climbing, the Council will send you to the National Camp School in Athens, TX (May 19 for the week). Room and board and some salary but I'm not sure what that will be. If you're interested or need more information, contact me and I'll get you connected with the right people. Jacqui Thomas
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Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise -- From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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Probably baked your brain!! Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:05:54 -0500 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
[Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
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Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
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Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.camailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave gradually went back to fairly normal. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Louise Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:34:11 -0400 From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 -0000 Issue 1539
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 - Issue 1539 Topics (messages 19905 through 19924): Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave 19905 by: Louise Power Re: 19906 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 19907 by: Nico Escamilla 19916 by: Louise Power 19921 by: Nico Escamilla 19923 by: Louise Power SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up 19908 by: Stephen Fleming Caving Wire Ladders? 19909 by: Lyndon Tiu 19910 by: Ron R 19911 by: Me 19912 by: Natasha Glasgow 19913 by: Stefan Creaser 19915 by: germanyj.aol.com 19917 by: Mark Minton 19918 by: Stefan Creaser 19919 by: Fritz Holt 19920 by: Tim Stich 19922 by: Bill Walden 19924 by: Louise Power Boy Scout Climbing Director needed 19914 by: Jacqueline Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Well, not too hot where she was. They took her to the hospital with a broken leg, hypothermia and boredom. She said, ...while she didn't have food she did have water, and figured that could keep her going for days. The thing I was worried about was hypothermia -- that that was going to kill me, she said. I have to say, it really gets cold on the high desert at night. Louise From: pns_...@bellsouth.net To: pitboun...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:34:39 -0500 Well did you see the Yahoo news today where a 55 yr old lady hiking solo in Utah jumped 4 ft and broke a leg. Took 'em 4 days to find her. She was a couple of miles from her vehicle. Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY === - Original Message - From: Nico Escamilla To: Louise Power Cc: Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I learned that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age. Nico On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Apparently not. From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!! From: Louise Power [power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55 To: Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010! Mark At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: “Warning signs might help…” – news reader. Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over… From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diverrel=MSN http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diverrel=MSNcpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers: The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect. On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I hope to see you out there. We will meet at the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 both mornings. To get there enter the park at the main gate then take the first right. Go through an unlocked gate and close it behind you. Drive for about a mile to the VRS. If you wish to camp please contact me so I can set it up with the park. Marvin Miller
[Texascavers] Boy Scout Climbing Director needed
All, Concho Valley Council needs a Climbing Director for Camp Sol Mayer 2012 Summer Camp. Staff week for the camp starts June 2nd and the next 3 weeks are 3 camp sessions, Sunday afternoon through Saturday morning. If you are interested but not certified for BSA Climbing, the Council will send you to the National Camp School in Athens, TX (May 19 for the week). Room and board and some salary but I'm not sure what that will be. If you're interested or need more information, contact me and I'll get you connected with the right people. Jacqui Thomas
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Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise -- From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
[Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.camailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave gradually went back to fairly normal. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Louise Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:34:11 -0400 From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 -0000 Issue 1539
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 - Issue 1539 Topics (messages 19905 through 19924): Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave 19905 by: Louise Power Re: 19906 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 19907 by: Nico Escamilla 19916 by: Louise Power 19921 by: Nico Escamilla 19923 by: Louise Power SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up 19908 by: Stephen Fleming Caving Wire Ladders? 19909 by: Lyndon Tiu 19910 by: Ron R 19911 by: Me 19912 by: Natasha Glasgow 19913 by: Stefan Creaser 19915 by: germanyj.aol.com 19917 by: Mark Minton 19918 by: Stefan Creaser 19919 by: Fritz Holt 19920 by: Tim Stich 19922 by: Bill Walden 19924 by: Louise Power Boy Scout Climbing Director needed 19914 by: Jacqueline Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Well, not too hot where she was. They took her to the hospital with a broken leg, hypothermia and boredom. She said, ...while she didn't have food she did have water, and figured that could keep her going for days. The thing I was worried about was hypothermia -- that that was going to kill me, she said. I have to say, it really gets cold on the high desert at night. Louise From: pns_...@bellsouth.net To: pitboun...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:34:39 -0500 Well did you see the Yahoo news today where a 55 yr old lady hiking solo in Utah jumped 4 ft and broke a leg. Took 'em 4 days to find her. She was a couple of miles from her vehicle. Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY === - Original Message - From: Nico Escamilla To: Louise Power Cc: Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I learned that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age. Nico On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Apparently not. From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!! From: Louise Power [power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55 To: Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010! Mark At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: “Warning signs might help…” – news reader. Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over… From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diverrel=MSN http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diverrel=MSNcpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers: The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect. On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I hope to see you out there. We will meet at the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 both mornings. To get there enter the park at the main gate then take the first right. Go through an unlocked gate and close it behind you. Drive for about a mile to the VRS. If you wish to camp please contact me so I can set it up with the park. Marvin Miller
Re: [Texascavers] Ancient Human Skeleton Stolen from Cenote
Thanks for that link, Mark. I guess the grave robbers figure they can sell it on the black market? I don't have much hope they will be caught unless they do something else stupid. The New Scientist website has some interesting headlines, akin to The Onion, like Wrinkled Doughnut Solves Geometrical Mystery. Logan On 4/29/2012 9:30 PM, Mark Minton wrote: An archaeologically important human skeleton has been stolen from a cenote in Mexico: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21741-bones-of-ancient-american-stolen-from-underwater-cave.htm Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Boy Scout Climbing Director needed
All, Concho Valley Council needs a Climbing Director for Camp Sol Mayer 2012 Summer Camp. Staff week for the camp starts June 2nd and the next 3 weeks are 3 camp sessions, Sunday afternoon through Saturday morning. If you are interested but not certified for BSA Climbing, the Council will send you to the National Camp School in Athens, TX (May 19 for the week). Room and board and some salary but I'm not sure what that will be. If you're interested or need more information, contact me and I'll get you connected with the right people. Jacqui Thomas
RE: [Texascavers]
Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
Re: [Texascavers]
we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise -- From: pitboun...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
RE: [Texascavers]
Probably baked your brain!! Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:05:54 -0500 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] we maxed at 118 last summer, or the one before cant remember. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Ah the temperate Northwest...just into the 80s last week and in the mid-60s this week. Also, a few showers. I doubt we'll get to 111 this year...hopefully. Louise From: pitboun...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:27:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: pns_...@bellsouth.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com 111? yikes! its been mild around here in the 90s but reaching 111 is only a matter of time. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's 111 (F) in Terlingua - DirtDoc Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY
[Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Two or four strand barbed wire? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -Original message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26:42 CDT Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.camailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Well put, caving brother! Well, put! -Original Message- From: Ron R rcrutherf...@gmail.com To: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:26 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
So why do we race up them at the Speleolympics? Or has that event been dropped already? Ha ha ha. I would rather free solo the pitch than use a cable ladder. Blarrrgh. -Tim On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.comwrote: Old farts like ladders and I are one. I don't need no stinking belay rope, my life insurance is paid up. F -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:03 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I've always found it difficult to climb up a pitch with no foot or hand holds :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
You know Carlsbad Caverns used to pipe cave air up to the visitor center through the elevator shafts. Then finally they realized what damage they were doing to the cave--drying out formations, causing yucky things to grow in the cave, etc. They finally sealed up the shafts and the cave gradually went back to fairly normal. It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature. Louise Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:34:11 -0400 From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? I used a cable ladder this afternoon to install a new light inside the pit under the basement of the Wayne County, KY Museum. The pit was once connected to the cave system beneath the city from which the then hotel drew cave air into the building. That didn't last very long. In 1938 the hotel installed real air conditioning. Today that hotel building is the Wayne County Museum. I have a cave exhibit in that basement room with photos of Wayne County cave and an exhibit of caving equipment used in Wayne county from the 1950s through the present. The pit, which has a rail around it, is always the biggest hit. Best to all, Bill Walden Wayne County, KY On 5/1/2012 12:44 PM, Mark Minton wrote: I disagree that ladders are the best way to do even short drops, except in cases where there may be a single short pitch quite remote in a cave. For one thing, to use one safely you should have a belay rope, so why not just climb it instead of also carrying a ladder? IMO also sells cable ladders, but they're very expensive ($150 for 10 m). Why not buy rope instead? Mark At 11:39 AM 5/1/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: Nah, they're the best thing for pitches upto 30ft! You can get them in the UK Lyndon, btw. Cheers, Stefan From: Ron R [mailto:rcrutherf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:27 AM To: Lyndon Tiu Cc: Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? They have been (or should be) outlawed internationally as a cruel and unusually punishing ascending device. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca wrote: Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 -0000 Issue 1539
texascavers Digest 2 May 2012 01:57:11 - Issue 1539 Topics (messages 19905 through 19924): Re: Diver dies in Hawaiian cave 19905 by: Louise Power Re: 19906 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net 19907 by: Nico Escamilla 19916 by: Louise Power 19921 by: Nico Escamilla 19923 by: Louise Power SWR 50th Anniversary, dinner prices going up 19908 by: Stephen Fleming Caving Wire Ladders? 19909 by: Lyndon Tiu 19910 by: Ron R 19911 by: Me 19912 by: Natasha Glasgow 19913 by: Stefan Creaser 19915 by: germanyj.aol.com 19917 by: Mark Minton 19918 by: Stefan Creaser 19919 by: Fritz Holt 19920 by: Tim Stich 19922 by: Bill Walden 19924 by: Louise Power Boy Scout Climbing Director needed 19914 by: Jacqueline Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Well, not too hot where she was. They took her to the hospital with a broken leg, hypothermia and boredom. She said, ...while she didn't have food she did have water, and figured that could keep her going for days. The thing I was worried about was hypothermia -- that that was going to kill me, she said. I have to say, it really gets cold on the high desert at night. Louise From: pns_...@bellsouth.net To: pitboun...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:34:39 -0500 Well did you see the Yahoo news today where a 55 yr old lady hiking solo in Utah jumped 4 ft and broke a leg. Took 'em 4 days to find her. She was a couple of miles from her vehicle. Nico is it hitting 100 deg. F down there, yet? Preston in Outer Browder, KY === - Original Message - From: Nico Escamilla To: Louise Power Cc: Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave What ever happened to common sense? I dont know about this guy but I learned that jumping from tall places was dangerous at a very early age. Nico On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Apparently not. From: stefan.crea...@arm.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:51:36 -0700 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave Why do they need to put up warning signs, isn't it obvious?!! From: Louise Power [power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: 29 April 2012 18:55 To: Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave But have things changed? Have they even put up a warning sign? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:32:06 -0400 To: texascavers@texascavers.com From: mmin...@caver.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave This is old news. The date on those videos is June, 2010! Mark At 07:19 PM 4/27/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote: “Warning signs might help…” – news reader. Yeah right, if you’re dumb enough to jump in there then Darwin takes over… From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 4:31 PM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Diver dies in Hawaiian cave http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/diver-dies-at-spitting-caves/1d0844wkn?q=Diverrel=MSN http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/fatal-sea-cliff-diver-identified/1d0546ntb?q=Diverrel=MSNcpkey=44924bbb-a2ae-4d22-903b-b53d6baf6d17%7cDiver%7cMSN%7c%7c Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Summer should come in a couple more weeks. It's
[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
Cavers: The next project weekend at Government Canyon SNA is the 26th and 27th of May. Please note that the date on the TSA website calendar is incorrect. On the 26th and 27th we will be surveying caves, looking for caves, digging for caves . . . You get the picture. There is much to do and I hope to see you out there. We will meet at the Volunteer/Research Station at 9:00 both mornings. To get there enter the park at the main gate then take the first right. Go through an unlocked gate and close it behind you. Drive for about a mile to the VRS. If you wish to camp please contact me so I can set it up with the park. Marvin Miller
Re: [Texascavers] Ancient Human Skeleton Stolen from Cenote
Thanks for that link, Mark. I guess the grave robbers figure they can sell it on the black market? I don't have much hope they will be caught unless they do something else stupid. The New Scientist website has some interesting headlines, akin to The Onion, like Wrinkled Doughnut Solves Geometrical Mystery. Logan On 4/29/2012 9:30 PM, Mark Minton wrote: An archaeologically important human skeleton has been stolen from a cenote in Mexico: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21741-bones-of-ancient-american-stolen-from-underwater-cave.htm Mark Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
