Re: [Texascavers] Be careful out there

2012-11-07 Thread pstrickland1
The way I understood it, an agreement was made with the arc. people in Oaxaca 
city, that the study would be done without moving anything, and everything 
would be left,in sito  in this hidden room, in this nondescript cave. I 
visited the cave in 2002, many years after the study, and everything looked in 
place to me.

 bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: 
 But Nancy, your story isn't complete. Didn't the Arc narks try to have you  
 arrested for going to the cave in the first place? That has happened to me 
 three  times in Belize.
  
 The first time a humorless jerk named Tom Miller tried to have me thrown  
 out of the country for visiting the Chiquibul cave without his permission.  
 (Logan can tell you all about it.) That didn't work because I was already  
 there. He wrote letters to the forestry department and the University of 
 Florida  accusing me of being a temple looter and drug user who consorts with 
 known  outlaws (specifically Arturo and Brother Moses of gales Point). The 
 first  accusation is untrue but the second two are true. Upon exiting the 
 Vaca 
 plateau  but before writing the letters he burned down my friend Santiago's 
 house along  with all of his meager belongings, then left a ten dollar bill 
 and a note saying  sorry. 
  
 Then there was the time the director of the Belize Audubon society tried to 
  get the Belize Defense Force (BDF) to search for me in the jungle for the 
 crime  of entering the Bladen nature preserve without his personal 
 permission. The BDF  just laughed because they never go into the jungle, 
 there could 
 be snakes out  there! On my way out I ran into a so called Rapid 
 Environmental Assessment  team funded by the Nature Conservancy and 
 supported by the 
 British army (those  damned helicopters again!) They had catered meals with 
 fresh salads and dessert  yet denied me a pinch of salt. Even though they 
 could see I had nothing but a  small pack and the clothes on my back they 
 accused me of being a looter. While  saying this they were standing next to 
 large sack loads of looted  artifacts.
  
 Then an archeologist named Dunham? took great exception to the fact that I  
 had explored the valley of Sleazeweazel branch, an upstream tributary of 
 the  Bladen branch even further up the Monkey river. There is a small ruin  
 there and he wanted credit for being the first person to discover it (by  
 helicopter of course!) He apparently brought in a large number of Mayans and  
 utterly destroyed the place. His reported pilferage of a large amount of jade 
  
 may or may not be true. I can't bear the thought of it so I haven't been 
 back. I  tried to cooperate by sending him photographs of what I had 
 discovered.  Unfortunately the aforementioned criminals had in fact dug open 
 a grave, 
 I  caught them and reinterred the remains. Perhaps it was unwise of me to 
 take a  photo of the king's skull with a snake crawling through the eye 
 socket. Dunham  was eventually thrown out of the country. Some years later a 
 friend of mine who  is a real (i.e. non insane) archeologist attended a 
 conference in Belmopan. He  heard my name mentioned and turned to say, he's 
 a 
 friend of mine. For that  they tried to throw him out of the country too.
  
 Not all archeologists are insane. What about Logan? (although I have my  
 doubts) Why doesn't he pipe up? 
  
 SW
  
  
 In a message dated 11/6/2012 1:23:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 nan...@prismnet.com writes:
 
 ah always such a gust of fresh air.   thought you might enjoy my experience 
 with 'legitimate' grave  robbers.
 
 
 
 
 
 BLADE  CAVE
 
 I was suffering a surfeit of testosterone.  We were midway  through a 3 
 month expedition to explore the massive Sistema Huautla, the multi  entranced 
 deepest cave in the western hemisphere, at one time 13th deepest in  the 
 world.  We had rented 2 rock houses in the miniscule pueblo of San  Augustin, 
 a 
 collection of perhaps a dozen 2 story homes, a one room school, a  
 basketball court and a jail cell in the basement of the municipal  building.  
 Between 
 the cobblestone dead end road and the buildings all  the flat land was 
 taken.  Subsistence farming took place on the 45 degree  angle hillsides that 
 formed enormous sinkholes or dolinas funneling the wet  season floods into 
 the 
 cave system, both carving it out and scouring it  slick.  Where the 
 hillsides steepened into cliffs, small boys herded  goats looking for 
 vegetation or 
 gathered twigs for cooking fires.  The  village had no electricity, running 
 water was a much repaired plastic pipe  that snaked from miles away and 
 dripped steadily over by the basketball  court.  Our 4wd schoolbus and 
 assorted 
 Toyota trucks filled to the brim  with cavers and caving gear were the only 
 vehicles to bump down this  road.  Once a week, a bus careened past the 
 intersection of the cobbled  turnoff, heading even deeper into the mountains 
 of 
 Oaxaca, Mexico;   occasionally a pipe bed 

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[Texascavers] speleolympics results

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
Does anyone have the speleolympic results to send me for the Texas Caver?

Articles? Photos? 

Thanks in advance! Jill



[Texascavers] another request for photos

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
If anyone has photos of any of the Chuck Stuehm Award winners - I'd love to
have them for the TC

Austin McRee - Greater Houston Grotto

Kris Pena - UT Grotto

William Quast - UT Grotto

Natasha Glasgow - DFW Grotto 

Gregg Williams - Bexar Grotto

Rachel Saker - Aggie Speleological Society

 

Recipients are welcome to send your own  J

Thanks! - jill



[Texascavers] clarification

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
Chuck Stuehm Award winners photo request : photos do not have to be from the
TCR awards announcment. Any nice photo will do. 

 

 



[SWR] anatomy of a bat

2012-11-07 Thread Jen.
One of my friends on facebook shared this video of a very neat bat 
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Re: [Texascavers] Be careful out there

2012-11-07 Thread pstrickland1
The way I understood it, an agreement was made with the arc. people in Oaxaca 
city, that the study would be done without moving anything, and everything 
would be left,in sito  in this hidden room, in this nondescript cave. I 
visited the cave in 2002, many years after the study, and everything looked in 
place to me.

 bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: 
 But Nancy, your story isn't complete. Didn't the Arc narks try to have you  
 arrested for going to the cave in the first place? That has happened to me 
 three  times in Belize.
  
 The first time a humorless jerk named Tom Miller tried to have me thrown  
 out of the country for visiting the Chiquibul cave without his permission.  
 (Logan can tell you all about it.) That didn't work because I was already  
 there. He wrote letters to the forestry department and the University of 
 Florida  accusing me of being a temple looter and drug user who consorts with 
 known  outlaws (specifically Arturo and Brother Moses of gales Point). The 
 first  accusation is untrue but the second two are true. Upon exiting the 
 Vaca 
 plateau  but before writing the letters he burned down my friend Santiago's 
 house along  with all of his meager belongings, then left a ten dollar bill 
 and a note saying  sorry. 
  
 Then there was the time the director of the Belize Audubon society tried to 
  get the Belize Defense Force (BDF) to search for me in the jungle for the 
 crime  of entering the Bladen nature preserve without his personal 
 permission. The BDF  just laughed because they never go into the jungle, 
 there could 
 be snakes out  there! On my way out I ran into a so called Rapid 
 Environmental Assessment  team funded by the Nature Conservancy and 
 supported by the 
 British army (those  damned helicopters again!) They had catered meals with 
 fresh salads and dessert  yet denied me a pinch of salt. Even though they 
 could see I had nothing but a  small pack and the clothes on my back they 
 accused me of being a looter. While  saying this they were standing next to 
 large sack loads of looted  artifacts.
  
 Then an archeologist named Dunham? took great exception to the fact that I  
 had explored the valley of Sleazeweazel branch, an upstream tributary of 
 the  Bladen branch even further up the Monkey river. There is a small ruin  
 there and he wanted credit for being the first person to discover it (by  
 helicopter of course!) He apparently brought in a large number of Mayans and  
 utterly destroyed the place. His reported pilferage of a large amount of jade 
  
 may or may not be true. I can't bear the thought of it so I haven't been 
 back. I  tried to cooperate by sending him photographs of what I had 
 discovered.  Unfortunately the aforementioned criminals had in fact dug open 
 a grave, 
 I  caught them and reinterred the remains. Perhaps it was unwise of me to 
 take a  photo of the king's skull with a snake crawling through the eye 
 socket. Dunham  was eventually thrown out of the country. Some years later a 
 friend of mine who  is a real (i.e. non insane) archeologist attended a 
 conference in Belmopan. He  heard my name mentioned and turned to say, he's 
 a 
 friend of mine. For that  they tried to throw him out of the country too.
  
 Not all archeologists are insane. What about Logan? (although I have my  
 doubts) Why doesn't he pipe up? 
  
 SW
  
  
 In a message dated 11/6/2012 1:23:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 nan...@prismnet.com writes:
 
 ah always such a gust of fresh air.   thought you might enjoy my experience 
 with 'legitimate' grave  robbers.
 
 
 
 
 
 BLADE  CAVE
 
 I was suffering a surfeit of testosterone.  We were midway  through a 3 
 month expedition to explore the massive Sistema Huautla, the multi  entranced 
 deepest cave in the western hemisphere, at one time 13th deepest in  the 
 world.  We had rented 2 rock houses in the miniscule pueblo of San  Augustin, 
 a 
 collection of perhaps a dozen 2 story homes, a one room school, a  
 basketball court and a jail cell in the basement of the municipal  building.  
 Between 
 the cobblestone dead end road and the buildings all  the flat land was 
 taken.  Subsistence farming took place on the 45 degree  angle hillsides that 
 formed enormous sinkholes or dolinas funneling the wet  season floods into 
 the 
 cave system, both carving it out and scouring it  slick.  Where the 
 hillsides steepened into cliffs, small boys herded  goats looking for 
 vegetation or 
 gathered twigs for cooking fires.  The  village had no electricity, running 
 water was a much repaired plastic pipe  that snaked from miles away and 
 dripped steadily over by the basketball  court.  Our 4wd schoolbus and 
 assorted 
 Toyota trucks filled to the brim  with cavers and caving gear were the only 
 vehicles to bump down this  road.  Once a week, a bus careened past the 
 intersection of the cobbled  turnoff, heading even deeper into the mountains 
 of 
 Oaxaca, Mexico;   occasionally a pipe bed 

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Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

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 On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:

  Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
  texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
 
  I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
  at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
 
  To confirm that you would like
 
 xedm...@gmail.com
 
  added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
  an empty reply to this address:
 
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  Usually, this happens when you just hit the reply button.
  If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
  the To: field of a new message.
 
  This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
  to get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone
  forges a subscription request in your name.
 
  Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
  cannot reply to this request, instead send a message to
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[Texascavers] speleolympics results

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
Does anyone have the speleolympic results to send me for the Texas Caver?

Articles? Photos? 

Thanks in advance! Jill



[Texascavers] another request for photos

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
If anyone has photos of any of the Chuck Stuehm Award winners - I'd love to
have them for the TC

Austin McRee - Greater Houston Grotto

Kris Pena - UT Grotto

William Quast - UT Grotto

Natasha Glasgow - DFW Grotto 

Gregg Williams - Bexar Grotto

Rachel Saker - Aggie Speleological Society

 

Recipients are welcome to send your own  J

Thanks! - jill



[Texascavers] clarification

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
Chuck Stuehm Award winners photo request : photos do not have to be from the
TCR awards announcment. Any nice photo will do. 

 

 



[SWR] anatomy of a bat

2012-11-07 Thread Jen.
One of my friends on facebook shared this video of a very neat bat 
reconstruction.


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[Texascavers] mexico travel

2012-11-07 Thread Nico Escamilla
Good news (or sorta) for those who still travel to Mexico.

My local congressman is trying eliminate or waive the security deposit to
get a vehicle permit for traveling. I recall that being 400 dollars iirc,
but he mentions 650, either way its pretty good news. Lets hope it passes,
keep your fingers crossed

Nico


Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

2012-11-07 Thread Charles Goldsmith
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:

 Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
 texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

 I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
 at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

 I respectfully request your permission to add

xedm...@gmail.com

 to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
 either came from you, or it has already been verified by
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 To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

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 On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:

  Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
  texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
 
  I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
  at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
 
  To confirm that you would like
 
 xedm...@gmail.com
 
  added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
  an empty reply to this address:
 
 texascavers-sc.1352323432.fjpmonkdbmlcjfbaaibd-xedmada=
  gmail@texascavers.com
 
  Usually, this happens when you just hit the reply button.
  If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
  the To: field of a new message.
 
  This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
  to get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone
  forges a subscription request in your name.
 
  Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
  cannot reply to this request, instead send a message to
  texascavers-requ...@texascavers.com and put the
  entire address listed above into the Subject: line.
 
 
  --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
 
  

[Texascavers] another request for photos

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
If anyone has photos of any of the Chuck Stuehm Award winners - I'd love to
have them for the TC

Austin McRee - Greater Houston Grotto

Kris Pena - UT Grotto

William Quast - UT Grotto

Natasha Glasgow - DFW Grotto 

Gregg Williams - Bexar Grotto

Rachel Saker - Aggie Speleological Society

 

Recipients are welcome to send your own  J

Thanks! - jill



[Texascavers] clarification

2012-11-07 Thread Jill Orr
Chuck Stuehm Award winners photo request : photos do not have to be from the
TCR awards announcment. Any nice photo will do.