Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[Steve Keselik]

I'll check with the other members of Team Troglobrau, as my notes burned up
in the fire.Steve

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Exciting!
>
> The main thing "wrong" with it was that I was not able to get a hold of
> a complete set of the notes, and that some of the sketches I did get
> were not easy to read for me. (In fact, I was told that the notes for
> the side lead were completely lost; that data is not even in the Walls
> files from the late-90s survey.) I'd be very glad to see your notes if
> it wasn't too much effort for you to come up with them!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> On 1/16/13 9:12 AM, Steve Keselik wrote:
> > What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
> > 90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
> > passage including the little side passage. Steve
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  > > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy y'all,
> >
> > We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> > weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> > re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> > the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed
> (but
> > explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream
> part
> > of the map.
> >
> > Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of
> the
> > road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> > low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> > result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year.
> The
> > grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago
> since
> > it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
> >
> > Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> > teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly
> after
> > noon, the following feats were accomplished:
> >
> > Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to
> survey
> > a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> > meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> > inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on
> the
> > sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> > continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> > upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> > upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward
> the
> > upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> > ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what
> may
> > have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's
> boots
> > from their feet.
> >
> > David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump,
> from
> > where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8
> meters
> > in similar conditions.
> >
> > Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey
> around 7
> > pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While
> most
> > folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> > David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got
> to be
> > thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing
> around
> > with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while
> Bennett
> > wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the
> longer
> > drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
> >
> > A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
> >
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David
> >
> > --
> > David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
> >
> > -
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> > 
> >
> >
>
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>

Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[Steve Keselik]

I'll check with the other members of Team Troglobrau, as my notes burned up
in the fire.Steve

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Exciting!
>
> The main thing "wrong" with it was that I was not able to get a hold of
> a complete set of the notes, and that some of the sketches I did get
> were not easy to read for me. (In fact, I was told that the notes for
> the side lead were completely lost; that data is not even in the Walls
> files from the late-90s survey.) I'd be very glad to see your notes if
> it wasn't too much effort for you to come up with them!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> On 1/16/13 9:12 AM, Steve Keselik wrote:
> > What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
> > 90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
> > passage including the little side passage. Steve
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  > > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy y'all,
> >
> > We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> > weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> > re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> > the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed
> (but
> > explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream
> part
> > of the map.
> >
> > Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of
> the
> > road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> > low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> > result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year.
> The
> > grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago
> since
> > it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
> >
> > Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> > teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly
> after
> > noon, the following feats were accomplished:
> >
> > Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to
> survey
> > a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> > meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> > inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on
> the
> > sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> > continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> > upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> > upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward
> the
> > upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> > ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what
> may
> > have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's
> boots
> > from their feet.
> >
> > David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump,
> from
> > where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8
> meters
> > in similar conditions.
> >
> > Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey
> around 7
> > pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While
> most
> > folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> > David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got
> to be
> > thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing
> around
> > with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while
> Bennett
> > wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the
> longer
> > drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
> >
> > A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
> >
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David
> >
> > --
> > David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
> >
> > -
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> > 
> >
> >
>
> --
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>

Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[Steve Keselik]

I'll check with the other members of Team Troglobrau, as my notes burned up
in the fire.Steve

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Exciting!
>
> The main thing "wrong" with it was that I was not able to get a hold of
> a complete set of the notes, and that some of the sketches I did get
> were not easy to read for me. (In fact, I was told that the notes for
> the side lead were completely lost; that data is not even in the Walls
> files from the late-90s survey.) I'd be very glad to see your notes if
> it wasn't too much effort for you to come up with them!
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> On 1/16/13 9:12 AM, Steve Keselik wrote:
> > What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
> > 90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
> > passage including the little side passage. Steve
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  > > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy y'all,
> >
> > We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> > weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> > re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> > the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed
> (but
> > explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream
> part
> > of the map.
> >
> > Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of
> the
> > road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> > low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> > result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year.
> The
> > grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago
> since
> > it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
> >
> > Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> > teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly
> after
> > noon, the following feats were accomplished:
> >
> > Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to
> survey
> > a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> > meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> > inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on
> the
> > sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> > continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> > upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> > upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward
> the
> > upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> > ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what
> may
> > have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's
> boots
> > from their feet.
> >
> > David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump,
> from
> > where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8
> meters
> > in similar conditions.
> >
> > Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey
> around 7
> > pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While
> most
> > folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> > David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got
> to be
> > thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing
> around
> > with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while
> Bennett
> > wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the
> longer
> > drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
> >
> > A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
> >
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David
> >
> > --
> > David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
> >
> > -
> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
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> > 
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> > 
> >
> >
>
> --
> David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
>

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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[wnsliaison]

Unfortunately, RD, every winter so far.  I just returned from the  
annual meeting of the Northeast Bat Working Group in Albany, NY.  We  
heard reports from each state from Virginia north to Maine.   
Especially in the Virginias, and western Pennsylvania, the mortalities  
continue to reach that level.


In Western PA, the geographic divide of the Appalachian Chain kept WNS  
primarily in the East for the past several years, but it was confirmed  
in spades in western PA in 2012.  All this is consistent with the  
delayed effect of about two years from first early detection to major  
mortalities.


If this remains consistent as WNS continues, we would expect to see an  
increase of bat deaths in places like Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee  
this winter.


Most agencies are planning winter surveys in February and March, and  
it's the year of the biennial Indiana bat survey, where there is an  
excellent baseline of data.  Typically, those results are finalized in  
the late full and the date published by USFWS.  If you go to the NSS'  
WNS web page, and scroll down under research, we have a study on the  
Indiana bat impact that was published last year.  Unfortunately,  
publication schedules being what they are, the data used in the study  
was only through 2009, so I added the updated USFWS Indiana bat date  
right there on the website through the 2011 survey.


As Penny notes below, this new report continues supporting bat to bat  
transmission as the primary vector of disease spread.  The Mammoth  
Cave press release says as much, and all the federal agencies are  
saying it in their official WNS writings.  They then also add  
something to the effect that humans might still be a factor, and that  
precautions still need to be taken (i.e. decon, not taking gear out of  
the WNS region, etc.).


Peter



Quoting R D Milhollin :

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat  
mortality rate has been observed in a cave infected with the  
Geomyces d. fungus.




 From: Penny Boston 
To: Jen. 
Cc: swr ; pajarito 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP


Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that  
at this point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather  
than humans. That is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack  
of human traffic is correct. 


Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:




  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[wnsliaison]

Unfortunately, RD, every winter so far.  I just returned from the  
annual meeting of the Northeast Bat Working Group in Albany, NY.  We  
heard reports from each state from Virginia north to Maine.   
Especially in the Virginias, and western Pennsylvania, the mortalities  
continue to reach that level.


In Western PA, the geographic divide of the Appalachian Chain kept WNS  
primarily in the East for the past several years, but it was confirmed  
in spades in western PA in 2012.  All this is consistent with the  
delayed effect of about two years from first early detection to major  
mortalities.


If this remains consistent as WNS continues, we would expect to see an  
increase of bat deaths in places like Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee  
this winter.


Most agencies are planning winter surveys in February and March, and  
it's the year of the biennial Indiana bat survey, where there is an  
excellent baseline of data.  Typically, those results are finalized in  
the late full and the date published by USFWS.  If you go to the NSS'  
WNS web page, and scroll down under research, we have a study on the  
Indiana bat impact that was published last year.  Unfortunately,  
publication schedules being what they are, the data used in the study  
was only through 2009, so I added the updated USFWS Indiana bat date  
right there on the website through the 2011 survey.


As Penny notes below, this new report continues supporting bat to bat  
transmission as the primary vector of disease spread.  The Mammoth  
Cave press release says as much, and all the federal agencies are  
saying it in their official WNS writings.  They then also add  
something to the effect that humans might still be a factor, and that  
precautions still need to be taken (i.e. decon, not taking gear out of  
the WNS region, etc.).


Peter



Quoting R D Milhollin :

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat  
mortality rate has been observed in a cave infected with the  
Geomyces d. fungus.




 From: Penny Boston 
To: Jen. 
Cc: swr ; pajarito 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP


Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that  
at this point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather  
than humans. That is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack  
of human traffic is correct. 


Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:




  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[wnsliaison]

Unfortunately, RD, every winter so far.  I just returned from the  
annual meeting of the Northeast Bat Working Group in Albany, NY.  We  
heard reports from each state from Virginia north to Maine.   
Especially in the Virginias, and western Pennsylvania, the mortalities  
continue to reach that level.


In Western PA, the geographic divide of the Appalachian Chain kept WNS  
primarily in the East for the past several years, but it was confirmed  
in spades in western PA in 2012.  All this is consistent with the  
delayed effect of about two years from first early detection to major  
mortalities.


If this remains consistent as WNS continues, we would expect to see an  
increase of bat deaths in places like Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee  
this winter.


Most agencies are planning winter surveys in February and March, and  
it's the year of the biennial Indiana bat survey, where there is an  
excellent baseline of data.  Typically, those results are finalized in  
the late full and the date published by USFWS.  If you go to the NSS'  
WNS web page, and scroll down under research, we have a study on the  
Indiana bat impact that was published last year.  Unfortunately,  
publication schedules being what they are, the data used in the study  
was only through 2009, so I added the updated USFWS Indiana bat date  
right there on the website through the 2011 survey.


As Penny notes below, this new report continues supporting bat to bat  
transmission as the primary vector of disease spread.  The Mammoth  
Cave press release says as much, and all the federal agencies are  
saying it in their official WNS writings.  They then also add  
something to the effect that humans might still be a factor, and that  
precautions still need to be taken (i.e. decon, not taking gear out of  
the WNS region, etc.).


Peter



Quoting R D Milhollin :

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat  
mortality rate has been observed in a cave infected with the  
Geomyces d. fungus.




 From: Penny Boston 
To: Jen. 
Cc: swr ; pajarito 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP


Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that  
at this point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather  
than humans. That is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack  
of human traffic is correct. 


Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:




  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Steve Peerman]

Penny, all,
Yes  it is tragic.  I find it interesting that the bat was found in a 
cave not open to visitors, although it apparently had at least a few 
researchers.  However they have not reported WNS in a bat from Mammoth Cave 
itself which has millions of visitors.  Granted, they are doing some sort of 
decon procedures there.  Oh, wait a minute, does that mean that the decon 
procedures appear to be effective, even with large numbers of visitors?
H.  (Actually there are a lot of unknowns, including the possibility that 
the bat spent some time before it was found in Mammoth Cave itself.)

On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Penny Boston wrote:

> Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 
> 
> However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
> point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
> is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is 
> correct. 
> 
> Sadly,
> Penny
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>   WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Peter Youngbaer
>> White Nose Syndrome Liaison
>> National Speleological Society
>> (802) 272-3802
>> 
>> 
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Steve Peerman]

Penny, all,
Yes  it is tragic.  I find it interesting that the bat was found in a 
cave not open to visitors, although it apparently had at least a few 
researchers.  However they have not reported WNS in a bat from Mammoth Cave 
itself which has millions of visitors.  Granted, they are doing some sort of 
decon procedures there.  Oh, wait a minute, does that mean that the decon 
procedures appear to be effective, even with large numbers of visitors?
H.  (Actually there are a lot of unknowns, including the possibility that 
the bat spent some time before it was found in Mammoth Cave itself.)

On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Penny Boston wrote:

> Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 
> 
> However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
> point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
> is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is 
> correct. 
> 
> Sadly,
> Penny
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>   WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Peter Youngbaer
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>> (802) 272-3802
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Steve Peerman]

Penny, all,
Yes  it is tragic.  I find it interesting that the bat was found in a 
cave not open to visitors, although it apparently had at least a few 
researchers.  However they have not reported WNS in a bat from Mammoth Cave 
itself which has millions of visitors.  Granted, they are doing some sort of 
decon procedures there.  Oh, wait a minute, does that mean that the decon 
procedures appear to be effective, even with large numbers of visitors?
H.  (Actually there are a lot of unknowns, including the possibility that 
the bat spent some time before it was found in Mammoth Cave itself.)

On Jan 16, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Penny Boston wrote:

> Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 
> 
> However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
> point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
> is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is 
> correct. 
> 
> Sadly,
> Penny
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>   WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Peter Youngbaer
>> White Nose Syndrome Liaison
>> National Speleological Society
>> (802) 272-3802
>> 
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[R D Milhollin]

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat mortality 
rate has been observed in a cave infected with the Geomyces d. fungus.



 From: Penny Boston 
To: Jen.  
Cc: swr ; pajarito  
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP
 

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:



>  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
>
>
>Peter
>
>Peter Youngbaer
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>(802) 272-3802
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[R D Milhollin]

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat mortality 
rate has been observed in a cave infected with the Geomyces d. fungus.



 From: Penny Boston 
To: Jen.  
Cc: swr ; pajarito  
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP
 

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:



>  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
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>Peter
>
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[R D Milhollin]

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat mortality 
rate has been observed in a cave infected with the Geomyces d. fungus.



 From: Penny Boston 
To: Jen.  
Cc: swr ; pajarito  
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP
 

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, "Jen."  wrote:



>  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
>
>
>Peter
>
>Peter Youngbaer
>White Nose Syndrome Liaison
>National Speleological Society
>(802) 272-3802
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Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[David Ochel]

Hi Steve,

Exciting!

The main thing "wrong" with it was that I was not able to get a hold of
a complete set of the notes, and that some of the sketches I did get
were not easy to read for me. (In fact, I was told that the notes for
the side lead were completely lost; that data is not even in the Walls
files from the late-90s survey.) I'd be very glad to see your notes if
it wasn't too much effort for you to come up with them!

Cheers,
David

On 1/16/13 9:12 AM, Steve Keselik wrote:
> What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
> 90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
> passage including the little side passage. Steve
> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  > wrote:
> 
> Howdy y'all,
> 
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
> 
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
> it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
> 
> Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
> noon, the following feats were accomplished:
> 
> Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
> a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
> sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go
> anywhere.
> 
> Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
> upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
> have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
> from their feet.
> 
> David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
> where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
> in similar conditions.
> 
> Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
> pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
> folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
> thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
> with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
> wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
> drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
> 
> A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
> 
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
> 
> Cheers,
> David
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Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[David Ochel]

Hi Steve,

Exciting!

The main thing "wrong" with it was that I was not able to get a hold of
a complete set of the notes, and that some of the sketches I did get
were not easy to read for me. (In fact, I was told that the notes for
the side lead were completely lost; that data is not even in the Walls
files from the late-90s survey.) I'd be very glad to see your notes if
it wasn't too much effort for you to come up with them!

Cheers,
David

On 1/16/13 9:12 AM, Steve Keselik wrote:
> What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
> 90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
> passage including the little side passage. Steve
> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  > wrote:
> 
> Howdy y'all,
> 
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
> 
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
> it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
> 
> Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
> noon, the following feats were accomplished:
> 
> Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
> a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
> sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go
> anywhere.
> 
> Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
> upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
> have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
> from their feet.
> 
> David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
> where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
> in similar conditions.
> 
> Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
> pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
> folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
> thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
> with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
> wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
> drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
> 
> A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
> 
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
> 
> Cheers,
> David
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Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[David Ochel]

Hi Steve,

Exciting!

The main thing "wrong" with it was that I was not able to get a hold of
a complete set of the notes, and that some of the sketches I did get
were not easy to read for me. (In fact, I was told that the notes for
the side lead were completely lost; that data is not even in the Walls
files from the late-90s survey.) I'd be very glad to see your notes if
it wasn't too much effort for you to come up with them!

Cheers,
David

On 1/16/13 9:12 AM, Steve Keselik wrote:
> What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
> 90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
> passage including the little side passage. Steve
> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  > wrote:
> 
> Howdy y'all,
> 
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
> 
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
> it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
> 
> Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
> noon, the following feats were accomplished:
> 
> Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
> a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
> sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go
> anywhere.
> 
> Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
> upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
> have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
> from their feet.
> 
> David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
> where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
> in similar conditions.
> 
> Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
> pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
> folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
> thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
> with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
> wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
> drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
> 
> A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
> 
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
> 
> Cheers,
> David
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Penny Boston]

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

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>   WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Penny Boston]

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Penny Boston]

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[Charles Goldsmith]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
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>
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Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[Charles Goldsmith]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> I respectfully request your permission to add
>
>meliss...@rocketmail.com
>
> to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
> either came from you, or it has already been verified by
> the potential subscriber.
>
> To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:
>
>texascavers-tc.1358361444.pgjgbhmfdmccfaeakkme-melissabh=
> rocketmail@texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> the "To:" field of a new message.
>
> If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>
>
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>
>
> To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
> the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
> message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
> you can also send a message to:
>
>
> For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
> message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
> to complete the transaction.
>
> If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
> please send a message to:
>
> 
>
> Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
> to make it easier to help you.
>
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>
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[SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Jen.]

  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

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[SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Jen.]

  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

NR - MACA WNS Announcement - FINAL (1).pdf
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[SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[Jen.]

  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

NR - MACA WNS Announcement - FINAL (1).pdf
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CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   meliss...@rocketmail.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1358361444.pgjgbhmfdmccfaeakkme-melissabh=rocketmail@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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texascavers Digest 16 Jan 2013 15:12:12 - Issue 1694

Topics (messages 21230 through 21234):

TCMA Treasurer
21230 by: Sheryl Rieck

Re: TCMA Treasurer - FOUND
21231 by: Sheryl Rieck

trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12
21232 by: David Ochel
21234 by: Steve Keselik

Cave Survey � Using Tape / Disto and Instruments
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Howdy y'all,

We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
of the map.

Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.

Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
noon, the following feats were accomplished:

Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go anywhere.

Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
from their feet.

David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
in similar conditions.

Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.

A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png

Cheers,
David

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What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
passage including the little side passage. Steve

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Howdy y'all,
>
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
>
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago sinc

texascavers Digest 16 Jan 2013 15:12:12 -0000 Issue 1694

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TCMA Treasurer
21230 by: Sheryl Rieck

Re: TCMA Treasurer - FOUND
21231 by: Sheryl Rieck

trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12
21232 by: David Ochel
21234 by: Steve Keselik

Cave Survey � Using Tape / Disto and Instruments
21233 by: David Ochel

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Thanks,
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Thank you to everyone.  I have been given the name and email address of
Michael.

Sheryl

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Date: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Subject: TCMA Treasurer
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Please contact me off list.  I have some questions for you regarding
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Thanks,
Sheryl Rieck
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--- Begin Message ---
Howdy y'all,

We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
of the map.

Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.

Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
noon, the following feats were accomplished:

Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go anywhere.

Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
from their feet.

David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
in similar conditions.

Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.

A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png

Cheers,
David

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--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
passage including the little side passage. Steve

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Howdy y'all,
>
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
>
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 ca

texascavers Digest 16 Jan 2013 15:12:12 -0000 Issue 1694

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texascavers Digest 16 Jan 2013 15:12:12 - Issue 1694

Topics (messages 21230 through 21234):

TCMA Treasurer
21230 by: Sheryl Rieck

Re: TCMA Treasurer - FOUND
21231 by: Sheryl Rieck

trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12
21232 by: David Ochel
21234 by: Steve Keselik

Cave Survey � Using Tape / Disto and Instruments
21233 by: David Ochel

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Please contact me off list.  I have some questions for you regarding
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Thanks,
Sheryl Rieck
--- End Message ---
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Thank you to everyone.  I have been given the name and email address of
Michael.

Sheryl

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From: Sheryl Rieck 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Subject: TCMA Treasurer
To: TexasCavers 


Please contact me off list.  I have some questions for you regarding
contributions.

Thanks,
Sheryl Rieck
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Howdy y'all,

We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
of the map.

Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.

Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
noon, the following feats were accomplished:

Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go anywhere.

Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
from their feet.

David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
in similar conditions.

Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.

A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png

Cheers,
David

-- 
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--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
passage including the little side passage. Steve

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Howdy y'all,
>
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
>
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 ca

Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[Steve Keselik]

What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
passage including the little side passage. Steve

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Howdy y'all,
>
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
>
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
> it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
>
> Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
> noon, the following feats were accomplished:
>
> Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
> a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
> sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go anywhere.
>
> Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
> upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
> have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
> from their feet.
>
> David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
> where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
> in similar conditions.
>
> Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
> pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
> folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
> thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
> with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
> wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
> drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
>
> A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> --
> David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
>
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Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[Steve Keselik]

What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
passage including the little side passage. Steve

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Howdy y'all,
>
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
>
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
> it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
>
> Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
> noon, the following feats were accomplished:
>
> Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
> a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
> sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go anywhere.
>
> Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
> upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
> have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
> from their feet.
>
> David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
> where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
> in similar conditions.
>
> Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
> pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
> folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
> thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
> with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
> wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
> drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
>
> A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> --
> David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
>
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Re: [Texascavers] trip report: O-9 Well on 2013-01-12

[Steve Keselik]

What was wrong with the last re-survey we took part in back in the late
90's ? I'm pretty sure I could come up with our notes of the upstream
passage including the little side passage. Steve

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:28 PM, David Ochel  wrote:

> Howdy y'all,
>
> We had a successful continuation of our re-survey of O-9 Well last
> weekend. All previously ('98-'10 or so) surveyed passage has now been
> re-surveyed, the data is being scanned and backed up as we speak, and
> the tasks that remain are: a) surveying the previously not surveyed (but
> explored) parts of a continuing lead, and b) drafting the upstream part
> of the map.
>
> Getting to the cave in the dark yielded a surprise: the last part of the
> road is now free of any obstacles that would prevent 2-wheel drive
> low-clearance cars from making it to the cave entrance. Apparently a
> result of the vibroseis studies that were performed there last year. The
> grazing lessee is down to 21 cattle, he sold the rest a while ago since
> it's too expensive to feed them in the ongoing drought.
>
> Anyway, Saturday morning saw the slow organization of three survey
> teams, and with the last person being finally in the cave shortly after
> noon, the following feats were accomplished:
>
> Saj Zappitello, Ben Hutchins, and Tom Rogers accepted the task to survey
> a side lead taking off from the main upstream passage for over 110
> meters, before running into technical difficulties with gear that was
> inadequate for being stuck in a tiny passage frequently described on the
> sketch as "small muddy water" for a prolonged time. The passage
> continues. They then proceeded to dig at a high lead in the main
> upstream passage, which sadly remains too tight to let humans go anywhere.
>
> Andrea Croskrey, with Jill Orr and Matt Zappitello, surveyed the main
> upstream passage from where a previous survey trip had ended, toward the
> upstream sump, for 188.4 meters in (typically) knee-high water with a
> ceiling not high enough to stand, and mud (mixed with sand from what may
> have been calcite rafts?) constantly trying to snatch everyone's boots
> from their feet.
>
> David Ochel took Geoff Hoese and Bennett Lee to the upstream sump, from
> where they proceeded to survey out toward Andrea's team for 232.8 meters
> in similar conditions.
>
> Andrea's and David's team finally tied into each other's survey around 7
> pm, completing the re-survey of all main passage of O-9 Well. While most
> folks made their way to the entrance (exit!) after this, Bennett and
> David proceeded to tour the downstream part of O-9 Well. David got to be
> thankful for having practiced change-overs so much when messing around
> with a drop that needed re-rigging due to a frayed rope, while Bennett
> wished he had brought his rope-walker (or frogging gear?) for the longer
> drops. They got out of the cave just before midnight.
>
> A line plot of the current survey status can be found here:
>
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wu__YDjGkPo/UPX6wvbLETI/Adg/QkbwAqBnnxs/s640/2013-01-15_O-9_survey_status.png
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> --
> David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
>
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