Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative spirit. (A few months after a serious heart attack and triple bypass - he was taunting me for not 'being a more serious caver' - wow - what an A-HOLE!) I don't care so much about Locklear - but I care a lot less for his haters! -Don C On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I just want to go on record (yours) as to say the literal stance of bully-pulpit of B. Steele pretty much exposes his mean and negative spirit. (A few months after a serious heart attack and triple bypass - he was taunting me for not 'being a more serious caver' - wow - what an A-HOLE!) I don't care so much about Locklear - but I care a lot less for his haters! -Don C On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Heh, the problem is, the rules are very light, no flaming is really the only one, but oh well, it works On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: > ** > well said... > > Did I ever tell you how glad I am that you took over the list? > LOL > > All my other mailing list put together are not as much ... well > interesting as the texacavers one... > > You might always remind them atht government officials, educators, > parents, politicians and other who are not cavers are subscribers to the > mailing list... > > a posting of the rules is good every now and then... > > Bill > > - Original Message - > *From:* Charles Goldsmith > *To:* Sheryl Rieck > *Cc:* TexasCavers > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Heh, the problem is, the rules are very light, no flaming is really the only one, but oh well, it works On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Bill Bentley wrote: > ** > well said... > > Did I ever tell you how glad I am that you took over the list? > LOL > > All my other mailing list put together are not as much ... well > interesting as the texacavers one... > > You might always remind them atht government officials, educators, > parents, politicians and other who are not cavers are subscribers to the > mailing list... > > a posting of the rules is good every now and then... > > Bill > > - Original Message - > *From:* Charles Goldsmith > *To:* Sheryl Rieck > *Cc:* TexasCavers > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
well said... Did I ever tell you how glad I am that you took over the list? LOL All my other mailing list put together are not as much ... well interesting as the texacavers one... You might always remind them atht government officials, educators, parents, politicians and other who are not cavers are subscribers to the mailing list... a posting of the rules is good every now and then... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Sheryl Rieck Cc: TexasCavers Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
well said... Did I ever tell you how glad I am that you took over the list? LOL All my other mailing list put together are not as much ... well interesting as the texacavers one... You might always remind them atht government officials, educators, parents, politicians and other who are not cavers are subscribers to the mailing list... a posting of the rules is good every now and then... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Sheryl Rieck Cc: TexasCavers Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I also agree with the sentiments below. This is not a time for mean-spirited behavior on behalf of Mallory - rather a time to regroup and be thankful that she is progressing well. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Geary Schindel wrote: > Sheryl, > > > > I have to agree, I very much enjoy the posts that David makes and I have also > found him to be one of the most caring and considerate individuals I know. > > > > He is without ego and is always trying to do the right thing and will help > anyone who asks. > > > > If you don’t like what someone posts, use the delete key or send them a > private message and ask them to modify their behavior and Sheryl, thanks for > taking a stand on cyber bullying. > > > > Geary > > > > From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM > To: TexasCavers > Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > > > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about > his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he > may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean > spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to > see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say > anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I > realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there > was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we > had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or > does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite > specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full > capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this > continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must > have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly > that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and > effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's > business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to > intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with > Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She > should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such > hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it > and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other > apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in > one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never > realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in > this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not > to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, > rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. > > Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I also agree with the sentiments below. This is not a time for mean-spirited behavior on behalf of Mallory - rather a time to regroup and be thankful that she is progressing well. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Geary Schindel wrote: > Sheryl, > > > > I have to agree, I very much enjoy the posts that David makes and I have also > found him to be one of the most caring and considerate individuals I know. > > > > He is without ego and is always trying to do the right thing and will help > anyone who asks. > > > > If you don’t like what someone posts, use the delete key or send them a > private message and ask them to modify their behavior and Sheryl, thanks for > taking a stand on cyber bullying. > > > > Geary > > > > From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM > To: TexasCavers > Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails > > > > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about > his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he > may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean > spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to > see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say > anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I > realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there > was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we > had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or > does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite > specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full > capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this > continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must > have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly > that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and > effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's > business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to > intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with > Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She > should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such > hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it > and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other > apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in > one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never > realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in > this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not > to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, > rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. > > Sheryl
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Understood. Damn work getting in the way of caving... Joe On Aug 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is > intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be > fanned, and if I hadn't posted what I did, it would probably grow to a forest > fire. > > I haven't had time for caving either, between a full time job and trying to > keep up on my hobbies and volunteer projects > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: >> See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough detail >> given to id the perps... >> >> I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass ;-) >> >> I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of work. >> This project is only through the end of the year, I'm going to want the rest >> when it is over. >> >> How about you? Not much time for me to go caving... >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> wrote: >>> OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the >>> rules set for this listserve. >>> >>> Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html >>> >>> Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the >>> peace, which I will do. >>> >>> Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on their bullshit. This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. Thoughts? Joe On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the > previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the > list. Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and > talk it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck > wrote: >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he >> is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I >> haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never >> known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to >> like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a >> falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same >> way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if >> Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are >> mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's >> cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a >> lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of >> David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow >> in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that >> Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and >> effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not >> anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked >> someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even >> discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed >> at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being >> incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, >> her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind >> his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no >> other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very >> disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a >> friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the >> way he has been doing in this situatio
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Understood. Damn work getting in the way of caving... Joe On Aug 20, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is > intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be > fanned, and if I hadn't posted what I did, it would probably grow to a forest > fire. > > I haven't had time for caving either, between a full time job and trying to > keep up on my hobbies and volunteer projects > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: >> See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough detail >> given to id the perps... >> >> I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass ;-) >> >> I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of work. >> This project is only through the end of the year, I'm going to want the rest >> when it is over. >> >> How about you? Not much time for me to go caving... >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> wrote: >>> OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the >>> rules set for this listserve. >>> >>> Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html >>> >>> Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the >>> peace, which I will do. >>> >>> Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on their bullshit. This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. Thoughts? Joe On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the > previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the > list. Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and > talk it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck > wrote: >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he >> is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I >> haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never >> known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to >> like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a >> falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same >> way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if >> Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are >> mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's >> cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a >> lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of >> David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow >> in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that >> Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and >> effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not >> anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked >> someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even >> discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed >> at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being >> incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, >> her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind >> his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no >> other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very >> disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a >> friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the >> way he has been doing in this situatio
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Thank you:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have > to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on > this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take > it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the > almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it > out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me > directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about >> his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he >> may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean >> spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to >> see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say >> anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I >> realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that >> there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory >> when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made >> up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said >> quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at >> full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this >> continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must >> have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly >> that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and >> effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not >> anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone >> to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with >> Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She >> should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such >> hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it >> and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >
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Thank you:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have > to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on > this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take > it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the > almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it > out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me > directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about >> his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he >> may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean >> spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to >> see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say >> anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I >> realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that >> there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory >> when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made >> up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said >> quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at >> full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this >> continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must >> have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly >> that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and >> effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not >> anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone >> to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with >> Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She >> should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such >> hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it >> and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >
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surprising very little these days, but I'd like to keep it that way. Thanks for understanding On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I > apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on >> the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep >> it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. >> >> Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many >> diverse personalities. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> >>> Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I >>> will not comment on this again for any reason. >>> >>> Sheryl >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> > wrote: >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear > about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and > while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is > not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I > haven't > been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him > to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go > after > him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know > that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with > Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, > that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I > believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are > not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I > don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, > pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious > behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and > Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this > (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than > Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot > believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails > say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her > recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she > doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this > whispering > and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no > other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very > disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a > friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way > he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy > realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I > want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her > recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate > mongering. > > Sheryl > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant >>> True SEM Antics, Inc. >>> 361-205-1458 >>> >> >> > > > -- > Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant > True SEM Antics, Inc. > 361-205-1458 >
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surprising very little these days, but I'd like to keep it that way. Thanks for understanding On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I > apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on >> the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep >> it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. >> >> Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many >> diverse personalities. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> >>> Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I >>> will not comment on this again for any reason. >>> >>> Sheryl >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> > wrote: >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear > about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and > while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is > not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I > haven't > been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him > to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go > after > him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know > that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with > Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, > that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I > believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are > not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I > don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, > pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious > behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and > Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this > (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than > Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot > believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails > say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her > recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she > doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this > whispering > and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no > other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very > disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a > friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way > he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy > realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I > want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her > recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate > mongering. > > Sheryl > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant >>> True SEM Antics, Inc. >>> 361-205-1458 >>> >> >> > > > -- > Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant > True SEM Antics, Inc. > 361-205-1458 >
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Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be fanned, and if I hadn't posted what I did, it would probably grow to a forest fire. I haven't had time for caving either, between a full time job and trying to keep up on my hobbies and volunteer projects On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: > See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough > detail given to id the perps... > > I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass > ;-) > > I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of > work. This project is only through the end of the year, I'm going to want > the rest when it is over. > > How about you? Not much time for me to go caving... > > Joe > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the >> rules set for this listserve. >> >> Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html >> >> Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the >> peace, which I will do. >> >> Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: >> >>> I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) >>> >>> Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at >>> self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We >>> have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call >>> them on their bullshit. >>> >>> This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is >>> part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> > wrote: >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear > about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and > while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is > not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I > haven't > been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him > to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go > after > him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know > that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with > Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, > that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I > believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are > not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I > don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, > pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious > behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and > Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this > (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than > Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot > believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails > say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her > recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she > doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this > whispering > and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no > other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very > disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a > friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way > he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy > realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I > want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her > recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doin
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Her post is probably borderline, the defining bit for me is that it is intended as rude (rightly so), but it's just a small flame waiting to be fanned, and if I hadn't posted what I did, it would probably grow to a forest fire. I haven't had time for caving either, between a full time job and trying to keep up on my hobbies and volunteer projects On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: > See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough > detail given to id the perps... > > I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass > ;-) > > I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of > work. This project is only through the end of the year, I'm going to want > the rest when it is over. > > How about you? Not much time for me to go caving... > > Joe > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the >> rules set for this listserve. >> >> Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html >> >> Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the >> peace, which I will do. >> >> Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: >> >>> I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) >>> >>> Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at >>> self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We >>> have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call >>> them on their bullshit. >>> >>> This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is >>> part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> > wrote: >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear > about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and > while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is > not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I > haven't > been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him > to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go > after > him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know > that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with > Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, > that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I > believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are > not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I > don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, > pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious > behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and > Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this > (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than > Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot > believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails > say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her > recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she > doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this > whispering > and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no > other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very > disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a > friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way > he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy > realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I > want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her > recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doin
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I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on > the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep > it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. > > Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many > diverse personalities. > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I >> will not comment on this again for any reason. >> >> Sheryl >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >>> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >>> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >>> Please take it to private email. >>> >>> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. >>> Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and >>> talk it out in private. >>> >>> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >>> me directly please. >>> >>> Charles >>> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck >>> wrote: >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant >> True SEM Antics, Inc. >> 361-205-1458 >> > > -- Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 361-205-1458
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I cannot even imagine the mail you get. I don't envy you. And, again, I apologize for my knee jerk reaction. I'll behave myself. :-) On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on > the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep > it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. > > Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many > diverse personalities. > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I >> will not comment on this again for any reason. >> >> Sheryl >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >>> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >>> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >>> Please take it to private email. >>> >>> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. >>> Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and >>> talk it out in private. >>> >>> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >>> me directly please. >>> >>> Charles >>> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck >>> wrote: >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant >> True SEM Antics, Inc. >> 361-205-1458 >> > > -- Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 361-205-1458
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See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough detail given to id the perps... I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass ;-) I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of work. This project is only through the end of the year, I'm going to want the rest when it is over. How about you? Not much time for me to go caving... Joe On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the > rules set for this listserve. > > Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html > > Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the > peace, which I will do. > > Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: > >> I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) >> >> Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self >> policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a >> small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on >> their bullshit. >> >> This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is >> part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >>> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >>> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >>> Please take it to private email. >>> >>> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. >>> Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and >>> talk it out in private. >>> >>> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >>> me directly please. >>> >>> Charles >>> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck >>> wrote: >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl >>> >>> >> >
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See, I don't think she flamed anyone as no names were named or enough detail given to id the perps... I sort of agree with Sheryl but find David to be a total pain in the ass ;-) I'm alright. Took a consulting gig with 100% travel. Been a lot of work. This project is only through the end of the year, I'm going to want the rest when it is over. How about you? Not much time for me to go caving... Joe On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the > rules set for this listserve. > > Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html > > Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the > peace, which I will do. > > Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: > >> I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) >> >> Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self >> policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a >> small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on >> their bullshit. >> >> This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is >> part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >>> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >>> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >>> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >>> Please take it to private email. >>> >>> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. >>> Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and >>> talk it out in private. >>> >>> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >>> me directly please. >>> >>> Charles >>> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck >>> wrote: >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl >>> >>> >> >
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Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many diverse personalities. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I > will not comment on this again for any reason. > > Sheryl > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >> Please take it to private email. >> >> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit >> the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk >> it out in private. >> >> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >> me directly please. >> >> Charles >> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >>> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >>> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >>> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >>> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >>> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >>> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >>> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >>> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >>> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >>> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >>> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >>> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >>> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >>> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >>> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >>> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >>> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >>> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >>> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >>> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >>> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >>> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >>> >>> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no >>> other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very >>> disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a >>> friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way >>> he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy >>> realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I >>> want to call a friend. >>> >>> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >>> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >>> >>> Sheryl >>> >> >> > > > -- > Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant > True SEM Antics, Inc. > 361-205-1458 >
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Thank you. On a personal level, I do agree with you, and while those on the hunt are friends of mine, I do disagree with them and told them to keep it off of the listserve. I've had a few emails about it myself. Thanks for helping keep the peace, sometimes it's hard to with this many diverse personalities. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I > will not comment on this again for any reason. > > Sheryl > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >> Please take it to private email. >> >> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit >> the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk >> it out in private. >> >> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >> me directly please. >> >> Charles >> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >>> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >>> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >>> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >>> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >>> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >>> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >>> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >>> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >>> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >>> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >>> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >>> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >>> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >>> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >>> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >>> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >>> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >>> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >>> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >>> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >>> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >>> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >>> >>> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no >>> other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very >>> disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a >>> friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way >>> he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy >>> realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I >>> want to call a friend. >>> >>> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >>> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >>> >>> Sheryl >>> >> >> > > > -- > Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant > True SEM Antics, Inc. > 361-205-1458 >
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OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the rules set for this listserve. Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the peace, which I will do. Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: > I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) > > Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self > policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a > small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on > their bullshit. > > This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is part > of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. > > Thoughts? > > Joe > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >> Please take it to private email. >> >> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit >> the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk >> it out in private. >> >> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >> me directly please. >> >> Charles >> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >>> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >>> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >>> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >>> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >>> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >>> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >>> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >>> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >>> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >>> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >>> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >>> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >>> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >>> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >>> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >>> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >>> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >>> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >>> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >>> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >>> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >>> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >>> >>> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no >>> other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very >>> disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a >>> friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way >>> he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy >>> realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I >>> want to call a friend. >>> >>> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >>> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >>> >>> Sheryl >>> >> >> >
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OH, I agree with what you just said Joe, however, it's off topic, per the rules set for this listserve. Please see rule #1 http://texascavers.com/rules.html Now, while I agree with Sheryl on a personal matter, I have to keep the peace, which I will do. Btw, long time no talk, how are you doing? On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote: > I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) > > Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self > policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a > small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on > their bullshit. > > This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is part > of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. > > Thoughts? > > Joe > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > >> aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I >> have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous >> one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. >> Please take it to private email. >> >> If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit >> the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk >> it out in private. >> >> If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to >> me directly please. >> >> Charles >> Texascavers.com listserver administrator >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: >> >>> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >>> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >>> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >>> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >>> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >>> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >>> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >>> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >>> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >>> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >>> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >>> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >>> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >>> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >>> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >>> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >>> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >>> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >>> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >>> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >>> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >>> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >>> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >>> >>> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no >>> other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very >>> disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a >>> friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way >>> he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy >>> realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I >>> want to call a friend. >>> >>> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >>> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >>> >>> Sheryl >>> >> >> >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I will not comment on this again for any reason. Sheryl On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > > -- Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 361-205-1458
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Will do. My apologies. I have also apologized to Mallory and promised I will not comment on this again for any reason. Sheryl On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > > -- Sheryl Rieck, Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 361-205-1458
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on their bullshit. This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. Thoughts? Joe On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I'd like to say that I think you are wrong ;-) Only though, because I feel cavers as a group do an excellent job at self policing and pushing in or getting those outliers under control. We have a small group on a witch hunt and Sheryl found a tactful way to call them on their bullshit. This email list serves as the virtual campfire for the group, this is part of the normal communal discourse that is unique to our virtual family. Thoughts? Joe On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I > have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous > one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. > Please take it to private email. > > If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit > the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk > it out in private. > > If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to > me directly please. > > Charles > Texascavers.com listserver administrator > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > >> I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear >> about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and >> while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is >> not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't >> been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him >> to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after >> him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know >> that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with >> Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, >> that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I >> believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are >> not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I >> don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, >> pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious >> behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and >> Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this >> (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than >> Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot >> believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails >> say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her >> recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she >> doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering >> and sniggering behind his back is sickening. >> >> I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other >> apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in >> one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never >> realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing >> in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is >> not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. >> >> I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, >> rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. >> >> Sheryl >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Charles, you're a good administrator. Seldom seen or heard, but when it happens you write words of wisdom and common sense. Thanks, Logan On 8/20/2013 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Charles, you're a good administrator. Seldom seen or heard, but when it happens you write words of wisdom and common sense. Thanks, Logan On 8/20/2013 7:42 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com>> wrote: I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
[Texascavers] Mallory
Please remember to send your support notes to me for Mallory. Mimi had a great idea of using an inspiring quote. Thanks all!
[Texascavers] Mallory
Please remember to send your support notes to me for Mallory. Mimi had a great idea of using an inspiring quote. Thanks all!
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear > about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and > while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is > not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't > been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him > to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after > him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know > that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with > Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, > that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I > believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are > not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I > don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, > pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious > behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and > Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this > (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than > Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot > believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails > say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her > recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she > doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering > and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other > apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in > one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never > realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing > in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is > not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, > rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. > > Sheryl >
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
aside from my personal opinion on this matter (which doesn't matter), I have to stay neutral on most matters. This thread, as well as the previous one on this subject, are way off topic and do not belong on the list. Please take it to private email. If someone on the list offends you, you have two choices in my eyes. Hit the almighty delete button, or email the person making the offense and talk it out in private. If you have thoughts or opinions on this, do not reply all, but reply to me directly please. Charles Texascavers.com listserver administrator On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote: > I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear > about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and > while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is > not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't > been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him > to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after > him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know > that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with > Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, > that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I > believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are > not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I > don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, > pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious > behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and > Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this > (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than > Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot > believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails > say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her > recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she > doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering > and sniggering behind his back is sickening. > > I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other > apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in > one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never > realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing > in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is > not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. > > I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, > rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. > > Sheryl >
[Texascavers] An olive branch ?
It seems like a good time to extend an olive branch, and put the past behind me and those that have deep negative opinions of me. I really just want to go in a fun cave and have some good times. I do hope to make a Kiwi Dig in November.That is the only caving related thing on my calendar for 2013. David Locklear
[Texascavers] An olive branch ?
It seems like a good time to extend an olive branch, and put the past behind me and those that have deep negative opinions of me. I really just want to go in a fun cave and have some good times. I do hope to make a Kiwi Dig in November.That is the only caving related thing on my calendar for 2013. David Locklear
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2013 18:19:10 -0000 Issue 1827
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2013 18:19:10 - Issue 1827 Topics (messages 22460 through 22480): train 22460 by: Gill Edigar Mallory 22461 by: Emily McGowan Canada Cave News 22462 by: Lyndon Tiu Register for the NSS Board of Governors meeting: Carlsbad, NM, 9 November 2013 22463 by: George Veni TCR sausage making... 22464 by: Stefan Creaser Mallory report, 8/18/13 22465 by: Emily McGowan Freddie Poer 22466 by: Mixon Bill UT Grotto Meeting August 21st 22467 by: Andrea Croskrey Internet related 22468 by: David 22470 by: Stefan Creaser pbotos from ICS 22469 by: Mixon Bill Deep and Punkin Trip over Labor Day 22471 by: Geary Schindel ICS photos 22472 by: Mixon Bill AMCS pubs to next UTG meeting 22473 by: Mixon Bill Re: photos from ICS 22474 by: Jill Orr Mallory update, 8/19/13 22475 by: Emily McGowan No Place on Earth 22476 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net San Marcos, TX Google Earth Question (cave?) 22477 by: Joe Ranzau Inappropriate emails 22478 by: Sheryl Rieck 22479 by: texascav...@yahoo.com 22480 by: Geary Schindel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- 10 days or so ago somebody sent me a B&W video (3/4 hour or so) dealing with steam trains. I got interrupted in the middle of watching it and now can't find it back. Can you remind me if you sent it so I can find it back? --Ediger --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Hi all, A few pieces of information regarding Mallory. Her mother wants to let you all know how much the family appreciates everyone's good wishes, vibes and prayers!! The overwhelming support means so much to Mal's family. Thank you. Some of you have asked where to send cards to Mal. Right now, please send correspondence to the following address: Mallory Mayeux c/o TIRR 1333 Moursund, Room 330 Houston TX 77030 She will be at that address for another two weeks, at least. Mal's mother is working on getting the apartment mail situation ironed out, but until she does, she asked that all mail go to TIRR. As far as visitors go, Mal can start having them now. Vickie asked that all visitors schedule their visits through her. Please contact me for Vickie's phone number, or send me your phone number, and I'll forward to Vickie. Keep in mind that visiting times will be quite limited, as Mal cannot have visitors during therapy, and every day is different, schedule-wise. Thanks! Emily emm...@gmail.com 281-450-5391 --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Explorers+discover+sprawling+system+uncharted+caves+Glacier+National/8803450/story.html -- Lyndon Tiu --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Dear Friends, The Pecos Valley Grotto and National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) will be hosting the Fall 2013 Board of Governors meeting of the National Speleological Society (NSS) at NCKRI Headquarters, Carlsbad, New Mexico, on 9 November 2013. The meeting will immediately follow the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS), which will follow the Board meeting of the Cave Research Foundation. A lot of things are happening in Carlsbad in early November! Advance registration for the NSS meeting is requested. You are welcome to register onsite but it will help tremendously in our planning if you pre-register so we make sure to have enough, food, drink, and space for you. For the registration form and other details, go to the NSS Southwestern Region's Activities page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/activities.html. You'll also find links there to the NCKMS and other happenings. Important!!! During the past two years, oil and gas production has greatly increased in the Carlsbad area. Although two new major hotels have opened during that time and more are being built, 95-97% of all hotels rooms in Carlsbad are filling every day. The NSS registration form has options for you to stay for free at local cavers' homes. Space in beds, on floors, and in yards for camping is limited so register ASAP. If you plan to stay in a hotel, make your reservations as soon as possible. People who arrive in Carlsbad without reservations often do not find rooms or pay very high prices. The registration form has hotel information to help you. Lastly, the registration form has information on caving trips, parties, a unique caver scavenger hunt, and other things to do while you're in town. So come for NCKMS and stay a little longer for the NSS meeting. If you haven't been to one before, this is a great chance to meet with the leaders of the NSS and give them your thoughts on what is going great with the NSS and what needs improvement. That is the reason
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2013 18:19:10 -0000 Issue 1827
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2013 18:19:10 - Issue 1827 Topics (messages 22460 through 22480): train 22460 by: Gill Edigar Mallory 22461 by: Emily McGowan Canada Cave News 22462 by: Lyndon Tiu Register for the NSS Board of Governors meeting: Carlsbad, NM, 9 November 2013 22463 by: George Veni TCR sausage making... 22464 by: Stefan Creaser Mallory report, 8/18/13 22465 by: Emily McGowan Freddie Poer 22466 by: Mixon Bill UT Grotto Meeting August 21st 22467 by: Andrea Croskrey Internet related 22468 by: David 22470 by: Stefan Creaser pbotos from ICS 22469 by: Mixon Bill Deep and Punkin Trip over Labor Day 22471 by: Geary Schindel ICS photos 22472 by: Mixon Bill AMCS pubs to next UTG meeting 22473 by: Mixon Bill Re: photos from ICS 22474 by: Jill Orr Mallory update, 8/19/13 22475 by: Emily McGowan No Place on Earth 22476 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net San Marcos, TX Google Earth Question (cave?) 22477 by: Joe Ranzau Inappropriate emails 22478 by: Sheryl Rieck 22479 by: texascav...@yahoo.com 22480 by: Geary Schindel Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- 10 days or so ago somebody sent me a B&W video (3/4 hour or so) dealing with steam trains. I got interrupted in the middle of watching it and now can't find it back. Can you remind me if you sent it so I can find it back? --Ediger --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Hi all, A few pieces of information regarding Mallory. Her mother wants to let you all know how much the family appreciates everyone's good wishes, vibes and prayers!! The overwhelming support means so much to Mal's family. Thank you. Some of you have asked where to send cards to Mal. Right now, please send correspondence to the following address: Mallory Mayeux c/o TIRR 1333 Moursund, Room 330 Houston TX 77030 She will be at that address for another two weeks, at least. Mal's mother is working on getting the apartment mail situation ironed out, but until she does, she asked that all mail go to TIRR. As far as visitors go, Mal can start having them now. Vickie asked that all visitors schedule their visits through her. Please contact me for Vickie's phone number, or send me your phone number, and I'll forward to Vickie. Keep in mind that visiting times will be quite limited, as Mal cannot have visitors during therapy, and every day is different, schedule-wise. Thanks! Emily emm...@gmail.com 281-450-5391 --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Explorers+discover+sprawling+system+uncharted+caves+Glacier+National/8803450/story.html -- Lyndon Tiu --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Dear Friends, The Pecos Valley Grotto and National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) will be hosting the Fall 2013 Board of Governors meeting of the National Speleological Society (NSS) at NCKRI Headquarters, Carlsbad, New Mexico, on 9 November 2013. The meeting will immediately follow the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium (NCKMS), which will follow the Board meeting of the Cave Research Foundation. A lot of things are happening in Carlsbad in early November! Advance registration for the NSS meeting is requested. You are welcome to register onsite but it will help tremendously in our planning if you pre-register so we make sure to have enough, food, drink, and space for you. For the registration form and other details, go to the NSS Southwestern Region's Activities page: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/activities.html. You'll also find links there to the NCKMS and other happenings. Important!!! During the past two years, oil and gas production has greatly increased in the Carlsbad area. Although two new major hotels have opened during that time and more are being built, 95-97% of all hotels rooms in Carlsbad are filling every day. The NSS registration form has options for you to stay for free at local cavers' homes. Space in beds, on floors, and in yards for camping is limited so register ASAP. If you plan to stay in a hotel, make your reservations as soon as possible. People who arrive in Carlsbad without reservations often do not find rooms or pay very high prices. The registration form has hotel information to help you. Lastly, the registration form has information on caving trips, parties, a unique caver scavenger hunt, and other things to do while you're in town. So come for NCKMS and stay a little longer for the NSS meeting. If you haven't been to one before, this is a great chance to meet with the leaders of the NSS and give them your thoughts on what is going great with the NSS and what needs improvement. That is the reason
RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Sheryl, I have to agree, I very much enjoy the posts that David makes and I have also found him to be one of the most caring and considerate individuals I know. He is without ego and is always trying to do the right thing and will help anyone who asks. If you don't like what someone posts, use the delete key or send them a private message and ask them to modify their behavior and Sheryl, thanks for taking a stand on cyber bullying. Geary From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
RE: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Sheryl, I have to agree, I very much enjoy the posts that David makes and I have also found him to be one of the most caring and considerate individuals I know. He is without ego and is always trying to do the right thing and will help anyone who asks. If you don't like what someone posts, use the delete key or send them a private message and ask them to modify their behavior and Sheryl, thanks for taking a stand on cyber bullying. Geary From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:34 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Well put, Sheryl. Mark Alman Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: "Sheryl Rieck" To: "TexasCavers" Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:34 PM I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
Well put, Sheryl. Mark Alman Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: "Sheryl Rieck" To: "TexasCavers" Subject: [Texascavers] Inappropriate emails Date: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 12:34 PM I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
[Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
[Texascavers] Inappropriate emails
I am still receiving inappropriate emails from people bashing Locklear about his visits to Mallory. I have known David for quite some time and while he may not always say or do the proper thing (who of us do?), he is not mean spirited and actually is a kind, caring person. I mean, I haven't been to see her. He went out of his way to visit. I have never known him to say anything mean about anyone, but people sure seem to like to go after him. I realize at some point he and Mallory had a falling out, but I know that there was reconciliation there in the same way I reconciled with Mallory when we had a falling out. I wonder if Mallory remembers that, that we made up, or does she still think we are mad at each other? I believe Vickie said quite specifically that Mal's cognitive abilities are not functioning at full capacity and she gets a lot of things mixed up. I don't understand this continued bashing of David. I wonder what a sad, pathetic life someone must have to wallow in this kind of vicious behavior. And, I feel quite strongly that Vickie can manage her's and Mallory's business quite appropriately and effectively without all this (just judging by her posts). It is not anyone's business other than Vickie's unless SHE specifically asked someone to intervene. I cannot believe that the subject was even discussed with Mallory, which the emails say it did and she was pissed at Locklear. She should be focusing on her recovery and not being incited to anger by such hatefulness. If she doesn't want him to visit, her mom will take care of it and this whispering and sniggering behind his back is sickening. I find these emails I am receiving to be hateful and hurtful for no other apparent reason than someone wants to be an ass. I am very disappointed in one of the people involved that I considered to be a friend. I never realized that he gossiped and stirred up trouble the way he has been doing in this situation. It has brought me to the unhappy realization that he is not to be trusted, and is not the kind of person I want to call a friend. I hope this will now stop and we can focus on Mallory and her recovery, rejoicing in how well she is doing and not all this hate mongering. Sheryl
Re: [SWR] No Place on Earth
We saw it at convention, what a great story, I will be getting a copy of this movie Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: > FYI - it is now available from Netflix. My copy just came. > DirtDoc > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] No Place on Earth
We saw it at convention, what a great story, I will be getting a copy of this movie Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2013, at 10:08 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: > FYI - it is now available from Netflix. My copy just came. > DirtDoc > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] San Marcos, TX Google Earth Question (cave?)
A couple of weeks ago I was on a flight from Chicago to San Antonio and noticed we were flying just to the east of 35. As we went over San Marcos, I noticed a large dam that I had never seen before. Being curious about it, I made a mental note to check it out on google earth. So today, several weeks later, I checked, and noticed just to the north, a round black spot that appears to be a nice circular pond or sinkhole. I'm sure many of our Hays county friends know this area well, so I'm curious, what flood control does the dam provide for and what is the circle? A cave? Coords from G Earth 29°55'14.48"N 97°58'16.99"W Curious in Portland, Joe
[Texascavers] San Marcos, TX Google Earth Question (cave?)
A couple of weeks ago I was on a flight from Chicago to San Antonio and noticed we were flying just to the east of 35. As we went over San Marcos, I noticed a large dam that I had never seen before. Being curious about it, I made a mental note to check it out on google earth. So today, several weeks later, I checked, and noticed just to the north, a round black spot that appears to be a nice circular pond or sinkhole. I'm sure many of our Hays county friends know this area well, so I'm curious, what flood control does the dam provide for and what is the circle? A cave? Coords from G Earth 29°55'14.48"N 97°58'16.99"W Curious in Portland, Joe
[Texascavers] No Place on Earth
FYI - it is now available from Netflix. My copy just came. DirtDoc
[Texascavers] No Place on Earth
FYI - it is now available from Netflix. My copy just came. DirtDoc
Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, wrote: > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list. > > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached > at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com. > > I respectfully request your permission to add > >jadk...@edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com > > to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request > either came from you, or it has already been verified by > the potential subscriber. > > To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address: > >texascavers-tc.1377011323.blcpbghifbaipobogoeb-jadkins= > edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com > > Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. > If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into > the "To:" field of a new message. > > If you don't approve, simply ignore this message. > > Thank you for your help! > > > --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list --- > > I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please > do not send them to the list address! Instead, send > your message to the correct command address: > > For help and a description of available commands, send a message to: > > > To subscribe to the list, send a message to: > > > To remove your address from the list, just send a message to > the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list > message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing, > you can also send a message to: > > > For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation > message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it > to complete the transaction. > > If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list, > please send a message to: > > > > Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact > to make it easier to help you. > > --- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received. > > Return-Path: > Received: (qmail 51684 invoked by uid 89); 20 Aug 2013 15:08:43 - > Received: from unknown (HELO na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) > (207.46.163.238) > by gnome.wokka.org with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Aug 2013 > 15:08:43 - > Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.147) by > BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.144) with Microsoft > SMTP > Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.16; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:39 + > Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.229]) by > BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.225]) with mapi id > 15.00.0731.000; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:38 + > From: Jennifer Adkins > To: > "texascavers-sc.1377011212.ngkhmjjlghnepengnjad-jadkins= > edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com" > edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com> > Subject: RE: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com > Thread-Topic: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com > Thread-Index: AQHOnbbqg/z5vfKX1Uik01VSkvEAhJmeMqqg > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:37 + > Message-ID: < > 6742c92d6b464931b39e4f6638639...@by2pr05mb144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> > References: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> > In-Reply-To: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> > Accept-Language: en-US > Content-Language: en-US > X-MS-Has-Attach: > X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: > x-originating-ip: [24.155.186.36] > x-forefront-prvs: 09443CAA7E > x-forefront-antispam-report: > SFV:NSPM;SFS:(189002)(199002)(377454003)(13464003)(41584004)(512954002)(74316001)(54316002)(76576001)(81686001)(47736001)(74706001)(31966008)(46102001)(19580385001)(69226001)(66066001)(51856001)(19580405001)(47446002)(74662001)(56776001)(74502001)(15202345003)(4396001)(79102001)(74876001)(49866001)(16799955002)(33646001)(19300405004)(47976001)(77982001)(551934002)(77096001)(80976001)(81342001)(56816003)(74366001)(50986001)(63696002)(76482001)(83322001)(15395725003)(65816001)(76796001)(81542001)(59766001)(54356001)(83072001)(76786001)(53806001)(19580395003)(80022001)(81816001)(221513003)(299355002)(64872003)(24736002)(222073002)(559001)(579004)(562774006);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BY2PR05MB142;H: > BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com > ;CLIP:24.155.186.36;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:0;LANG:en; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-OriginatorOrg: edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com > > > > Jennifer Adkins > Environmental Coordinator-Aquifer Protection > > > 900 E Quincy > San Antonio, Tx 78215 > Main:=A0(210) 222-2204=20 > Direct: (210) 477-8504 > Mobile: (210) 718-5612 > Fax:(210) 222-9869 > jadk...@edwardsaquifer.org > > > > > -Original Message- > From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto: > texascavers-help@texascavers= > .com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:07 AM > To: Jennifer Adkins > Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com > > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > texascavers@texascavers.com= > mailin
Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:08 AM, wrote: > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list. > > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached > at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com. > > I respectfully request your permission to add > >jadk...@edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com > > to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request > either came from you, or it has already been verified by > the potential subscriber. > > To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address: > >texascavers-tc.1377011323.blcpbghifbaipobogoeb-jadkins= > edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com > > Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. > If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into > the "To:" field of a new message. > > If you don't approve, simply ignore this message. > > Thank you for your help! > > > --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list --- > > I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please > do not send them to the list address! Instead, send > your message to the correct command address: > > For help and a description of available commands, send a message to: > > > To subscribe to the list, send a message to: > > > To remove your address from the list, just send a message to > the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list > message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing, > you can also send a message to: > > > For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation > message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it > to complete the transaction. > > If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list, > please send a message to: > > > > Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact > to make it easier to help you. > > --- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received. > > Return-Path: > Received: (qmail 51684 invoked by uid 89); 20 Aug 2013 15:08:43 - > Received: from unknown (HELO na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) > (207.46.163.238) > by gnome.wokka.org with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Aug 2013 > 15:08:43 - > Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.147) by > BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.144) with Microsoft > SMTP > Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.16; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:39 + > Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.229]) by > BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.225]) with mapi id > 15.00.0731.000; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:38 + > From: Jennifer Adkins > To: > "texascavers-sc.1377011212.ngkhmjjlghnepengnjad-jadkins= > edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com" > edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com> > Subject: RE: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com > Thread-Topic: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com > Thread-Index: AQHOnbbqg/z5vfKX1Uik01VSkvEAhJmeMqqg > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:37 + > Message-ID: < > 6742c92d6b464931b39e4f6638639...@by2pr05mb144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> > References: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> > In-Reply-To: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> > Accept-Language: en-US > Content-Language: en-US > X-MS-Has-Attach: > X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: > x-originating-ip: [24.155.186.36] > x-forefront-prvs: 09443CAA7E > x-forefront-antispam-report: > SFV:NSPM;SFS:(189002)(199002)(377454003)(13464003)(41584004)(512954002)(74316001)(54316002)(76576001)(81686001)(47736001)(74706001)(31966008)(46102001)(19580385001)(69226001)(66066001)(51856001)(19580405001)(47446002)(74662001)(56776001)(74502001)(15202345003)(4396001)(79102001)(74876001)(49866001)(16799955002)(33646001)(19300405004)(47976001)(77982001)(551934002)(77096001)(80976001)(81342001)(56816003)(74366001)(50986001)(63696002)(76482001)(83322001)(15395725003)(65816001)(76796001)(81542001)(59766001)(54356001)(83072001)(76786001)(53806001)(19580395003)(80022001)(81816001)(221513003)(299355002)(64872003)(24736002)(222073002)(559001)(579004)(562774006);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BY2PR05MB142;H: > BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com > ;CLIP:24.155.186.36;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:0;LANG:en; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-OriginatorOrg: edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com > > > > Jennifer Adkins > Environmental Coordinator-Aquifer Protection > > > 900 E Quincy > San Antonio, Tx 78215 > Main:=A0(210) 222-2204=20 > Direct: (210) 477-8504 > Mobile: (210) 718-5612 > Fax:(210) 222-9869 > jadk...@edwardsaquifer.org > > > > > -Original Message- > From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto: > texascavers-help@texascavers= > .com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:07 AM > To: Jennifer Adkins > Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com > > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > texascavers@texascavers.com= > mailin
CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com. I respectfully request your permission to add jadk...@edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request either came from you, or it has already been verified by the potential subscriber. To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address: texascavers-tc.1377011323.blcpbghifbaipobogoeb-jadkins=edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the "To:" field of a new message. If you don't approve, simply ignore this message. Thank you for your help! --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list --- I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please do not send them to the list address! Instead, send your message to the correct command address: For help and a description of available commands, send a message to: To subscribe to the list, send a message to: To remove your address from the list, just send a message to the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing, you can also send a message to: For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it to complete the transaction. If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list, please send a message to: Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact to make it easier to help you. --- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51684 invoked by uid 89); 20 Aug 2013 15:08:43 - Received: from unknown (HELO na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) (207.46.163.238) by gnome.wokka.org with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Aug 2013 15:08:43 - Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.147) by BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.16; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:39 + Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.229]) by BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.225]) with mapi id 15.00.0731.000; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:38 + From: Jennifer Adkins To: "texascavers-sc.1377011212.ngkhmjjlghnepengnjad-jadkins=edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com" Subject: RE: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com Thread-Topic: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com Thread-Index: AQHOnbbqg/z5vfKX1Uik01VSkvEAhJmeMqqg Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:37 + Message-ID: <6742c92d6b464931b39e4f6638639...@by2pr05mb144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> In-Reply-To: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [24.155.186.36] x-forefront-prvs: 09443CAA7E x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(189002)(199002)(377454003)(13464003)(41584004)(512954002)(74316001)(54316002)(76576001)(81686001)(47736001)(74706001)(31966008)(46102001)(19580385001)(69226001)(66066001)(51856001)(19580405001)(47446002)(74662001)(56776001)(74502001)(15202345003)(4396001)(79102001)(74876001)(49866001)(16799955002)(33646001)(19300405004)(47976001)(77982001)(551934002)(77096001)(80976001)(81342001)(56816003)(74366001)(50986001)(63696002)(76482001)(83322001)(15395725003)(65816001)(76796001)(81542001)(59766001)(54356001)(83072001)(76786001)(53806001)(19580395003)(80022001)(81816001)(221513003)(299355002)(64872003)(24736002)(222073002)(559001)(579004)(562774006);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BY2PR05MB142;H:BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:24.155.186.36;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:0;LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com Jennifer Adkins Environmental Coordinator-Aquifer Protection 900 E Quincy San Antonio, Tx 78215 Main:=A0(210) 222-2204=20 Direct: (210) 477-8504 Mobile: (210) 718-5612 Fax:(210) 222-9869 jadk...@edwardsaquifer.org -Original Message- From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto:texascavers-help@texascavers= .com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:07 AM To: Jennifer Adkins Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the texascavers@texascavers.com= mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-owner@texascave= rs.com. To confirm that you would like jadk...@edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com added to the texascavers mailing list, please send an empty reply to this a= ddress: texascavers-sc.1377011212.ngkhmjjlghnepengnjad-jadkins=3De
CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com. I respectfully request your permission to add jadk...@edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request either came from you, or it has already been verified by the potential subscriber. To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address: texascavers-tc.1377011323.blcpbghifbaipobogoeb-jadkins=edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the "To:" field of a new message. If you don't approve, simply ignore this message. Thank you for your help! --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list --- I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please do not send them to the list address! Instead, send your message to the correct command address: For help and a description of available commands, send a message to: To subscribe to the list, send a message to: To remove your address from the list, just send a message to the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing, you can also send a message to: For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it to complete the transaction. If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list, please send a message to: Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact to make it easier to help you. --- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51684 invoked by uid 89); 20 Aug 2013 15:08:43 - Received: from unknown (HELO na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) (207.46.163.238) by gnome.wokka.org with (AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 20 Aug 2013 15:08:43 - Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.147) by BY2PR05MB142.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.242.39.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.731.16; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:39 + Received: from BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.229]) by BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.225]) with mapi id 15.00.0731.000; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:38 + From: Jennifer Adkins To: "texascavers-sc.1377011212.ngkhmjjlghnepengnjad-jadkins=edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft@texascavers.com" Subject: RE: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com Thread-Topic: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com Thread-Index: AQHOnbbqg/z5vfKX1Uik01VSkvEAhJmeMqqg List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:08:37 + Message-ID: <6742c92d6b464931b39e4f6638639...@by2pr05mb144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> References: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> In-Reply-To: <1377011212.51566.ez...@texascavers.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [24.155.186.36] x-forefront-prvs: 09443CAA7E x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(189002)(199002)(377454003)(13464003)(41584004)(512954002)(74316001)(54316002)(76576001)(81686001)(47736001)(74706001)(31966008)(46102001)(19580385001)(69226001)(66066001)(51856001)(19580405001)(47446002)(74662001)(56776001)(74502001)(15202345003)(4396001)(79102001)(74876001)(49866001)(16799955002)(33646001)(19300405004)(47976001)(77982001)(551934002)(77096001)(80976001)(81342001)(56816003)(74366001)(50986001)(63696002)(76482001)(83322001)(15395725003)(65816001)(76796001)(81542001)(59766001)(54356001)(83072001)(76786001)(53806001)(19580395003)(80022001)(81816001)(221513003)(299355002)(64872003)(24736002)(222073002)(559001)(579004)(562774006);DIR:OUT;SFP:;SCL:1;SRVR:BY2PR05MB142;H:BY2PR05MB144.namprd05.prod.outlook.com;CLIP:24.155.186.36;RD:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:0;LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com Jennifer Adkins Environmental Coordinator-Aquifer Protection 900 E Quincy San Antonio, Tx 78215 Main:=A0(210) 222-2204=20 Direct: (210) 477-8504 Mobile: (210) 718-5612 Fax:(210) 222-9869 jadk...@edwardsaquifer.org -Original Message- From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto:texascavers-help@texascavers= .com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:07 AM To: Jennifer Adkins Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the texascavers@texascavers.com= mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-owner@texascave= rs.com. To confirm that you would like jadk...@edwardsaquifer.onmicrosoft.com added to the texascavers mailing list, please send an empty reply to this a= ddress: texascavers-sc.1377
[Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/19/13
No update from last night. Both of Mal's parents are very tired. Y'all keeping sending good vibes to Mal and her family! They appreciate them! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Mallory update, 8/19/13
No update from last night. Both of Mal's parents are very tired. Y'all keeping sending good vibes to Mal and her family! They appreciate them! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
