texascavers Digest 25 Sep 2013 14:08:07 -0000 Issue 1851
texascavers Digest 25 Sep 2013 14:08:07 - Issue 1851 Topics (messages 22744 through 22752): Re: Discovery Well Cave Preserve Insident 22744 by: Jimmy James Jimmy James ? 22745 by: David 22747 by: Charles Goldsmith Re: Caves of Missouri 22746 by: Jon Cradit Errant Bat 22748 by: Mike Flannigan interactive panoramic photo of underwater cave 22749 by: Mixon Bill book review: Geolog�a de Cuevas 22750 by: Mixon Bill 22751 by: George Veni New paper 22752 by: Andy Gluesenkamp Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Does anybody else find it incredibly insensitive, and maybe even pathological, that Mike totally ignored the welfare and condition of the victim so that he could toot his own horn yet again? Did anyone with the TCC bother to follow up with the poor woman? This it yet another example of Mike Walsh's self-aggrandizing buffoonery. What a heartless SOB, using this woman's accident to promote his petty little ego. From: Leslie Bell bellem...@yahoo.com To: Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com Cc: Cavers, Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Discovery Well Cave Preserve Insident Luckily, she made it out with just a scratch. Amazing, considering her car was completely overturned. Leslie Bell From: Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com To: Mike Walsh mikewaus...@austin.rr.com Cc: Cavers, Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Discovery Well Cave Preserve Insident Well I'm sure we're all happy that all the officials were represented - all the i's being dotted and all the t's crossed and praise Jehovah that everyone was there legally - but what became of the person in the wayward vehicle? On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mike Walsh mikewaus...@austin.rr.com wrote: This evening, September 15, the Texas Cave Conservancy had Christopher Francke and other cavers out at Discovery Well conducting GPS cave location for a cave report for the City of Cedar Park. They were also making night mammal observations for the report. Approximately one hour ago (7:00 PM) a vehicle ran off the road, through a fence and into the preserve. The cavers were able to open the locked gate into the property for the emergency vehicles and the police. They identified themselves and had the proper information to show that they were there with permission. Christopher Francke called TCC President Mike Walsh to report the incident. Walsh went out to the property, met with the Cedar Park Police and identified himself as the property manager for the city. Walsh informed them that the property was owned by the State of Texas, leased by the City of Cedar Park and that the caves were managed by the Texas Cave Conservancy. This situation shows how the Texas Cave Conservancy works with their clients to find Solutions to Cave Related Problems. Walsh has reported to Curt Randa, Cedar Park – Parks Recreation Director that approximately forty feet of fence was taken out. There appeared to be no damage to Discovery Well Cave Preserve critical habitat area. A copy of this will be forwarded to the Austin U.S Fish Wildlife. Mike Walsh - President Texas Cave Conservancy 512-249-2283 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I seriously doubt Jimmy James is the last posters real name. I see no reason why anyone would find Jimmy James opinions credible. He obviously does not understand Mike's decades of dedication to the cave community. There is a whole lot of secret caving going on because of people like Jimmy. It is good to have some transparency now and then. I have seen nearly a hundred Jimmy James fly by and soon forgotten. But I have only met one person like Mike Walsh. I will take one Walsh over a thousand James anyday. When someone takes on an authoritative roll, it is impossible for others to know why that leader made the decisions they do. In Mike's case, I am only guessing that the TCC model requires him to sale the product the TCC offers. In the business world, an aggressive entrepreneur can come across as annoying. In my business, I have to walk a fine line between being too self-promoting eventhough I know I am the best there is at what I do. I support Mike and the TCC, but I have never contributed or attended. And did Jimmy James take any time to help anybody ? And for the fine speleo-work that James accomplished, was it sincerely in the best interest of the caves or caving
[Texascavers] New paper
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/13/201 Sent from my iPhone
[Texascavers] Caves of Missouri
I see that there is a softbound 2012 reprint of Caves of Missouri. ISBN 978-0988668508. $26.52 from Amazon, plus sales tax (alas), but free shipping. The original 1956 hardbound seems to go for from $50 to $180 on the web. Given the ease of searching on the web, how such a wide range of prices can be supported is unclear to me. I suppose used- book stores still count mostly on walk-in business. -- Mixon A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] salamander paper
Thanks, Andy, to the link for the salamander paper. A direct route to the most readable version is http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2148-13-201.pdf . Use this and you won't have to ferret it out on the publisher's web site. I'm happy that the paper is open access, and also the unusual feature at the end where the contributions of the various alleged authors are briefly declared. That gives at least a chance of deciding who really were authors and who should just have been in the acknowledgements, in my view. (If I were editing a journal, I'd insist that authors show me what part, not less than one third, of the paper they actually wrote. It would be a very thin journal.) -- Mixon A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] salamander paper
Thanks, Bill. All authors contributed at least 1/3! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Thanks, Andy, to the link for the salamander paper. A direct route to the most readable version is http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2148-13-201.pdf. Use this and you won't have to ferret it out on the publisher's web site. I'm happy that the paper is open access, and also the unusual feature at the end where the contributions of the various alleged authors are briefly declared. That gives at least a chance of deciding who really were authors and who should just have been in the acknowledgements, in my view. (If I were editing a journal, I'd insist that authors show me what part, not less than one third, of the paper they actually wrote. It would be a very thin journal.) -- Mixon A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] salamander paper
An interesting conundrum, since there were 5 authors on the paper! Mark At 07:15 PM 9/25/2013, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote: Thanks, Bill. All authors contributed at least 1/3! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Thanks, Andy, to the link for the salamander paper. A direct route to the most readable version is http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2148-13-201.pdf. Use this and you won't have to ferret it out on the publisher's web site. I'm happy that the paper is open access, and also the unusual feature at the end where the contributions of the various alleged authors are briefly declared. That gives at least a chance of deciding who really were authors and who should just have been in the acknowledgements, in my view. (If I were editing a journal, I'd insist that authors show me what part, not less than one third, of the paper they actually wrote. It would be a very thin journal.) -- Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
