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[Texascavers] TSA Members Meeting at TCR, 9am Sunday, October 20th, 2013
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texascavers Digest 16 Oct 2013 06:23:04 -0000 Issue 1865
texascavers Digest 16 Oct 2013 06:23:04 - Issue 1865 Topics (messages 22894 through 22898): Re: October CBSP Project Trip Report 22894 by: Aimee Beveridge 22898 by: Kris Pena ride needed from SA airport to TCR on Thursday 22895 by: Jim Kennedy Directions to TCR, October 17-20 @ Paradise Canyon 22896 by: ellie watson Need coolers for transporting food to TCR... 22897 by: Stefan Creaser Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Great report, Kris! On Oct 15, 2013, at 21:14, Kris Pena kapkanga...@gmail.com wrote: Project Date: October 11-13, 2013 VOLUNTEERS: Lori Karker, William Quast, Anthony Garot, Yazmin Avila, Jim Kennedy, Gerry Geletzke, Vivian Loftin, Lydia Hernandez, Aubri Jenson, Nicole Goodman, Justin Shaw, Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, Davey Siddors, Heather Tucek, David Moore, Diana Tomchick, Jason Cook, Jessica Smith, Kasey Irons, Jessica Aguilar, Neil Buckman HOURS: 102 hours drive + 121 volunteer hours SUMMARY: Jessica, Neil and Gerry surveyed SAB 314 (Spider Web Cave) and reported that a VERY small, experienced caver should return and attempt to push the lead. They also visited SAB 272 (Hard Wedge Cave), SAB 797 (LIVC01 Karst Feature) which could use some additional digging, and SAB 798. They were unable to locate SAB 350. Lydia, David, and Kasey’s team and Jessica, Vivian, and Nicole’s team crossed the river in search of unknown features. Together they found several promising features that could use some digging and two caves were tentatively named (Rack Cave) and (Minor Mishap Cave). Justin, Galen, Ellie and Diana set out to continue the dig on SAB 199 (Don’t Fit Pit) and SAB 718 (Two Burnt Ropes Cave). They were unable to locate (Don’t Fit Pit). They did find and begin digging on (Two Burnt Ropes Cave), only to find that the cave continues as a tiny crack that would require endless digging. Will, Laura, Aubri, and Lori completed a survey of SAB 599 (Cody’s Well) and explored SAB 769 (Deep Dream Cave). A subsequent trip is required to complete that survey. Heather and David explored an area labeled “new karst area” and confirmed that it requires a larger karst walking team. They successfully located SAB 338 and tentatively named it (Fred’s Cave), but they were unable to survey it as it requires additional digging. They were also able to locate and describe (French Press Karst Feature) and to survey SAB 245 (Slumps Below Cave). Caver Camp was full of gnats, making sitting and eating difficult. Saturday night had thunderstorms on the way. The combination of these factors led some to leave Saturday night while others embraced them and had a great night watching the lightning roll in. FULL TRIP REPORTS: Team 1: Jessica, Neil, Gerry Time: 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. total hours: 18 Data: Pouch #4 Objectives: to survey caves and describe karst features. (SAB 314, SAB272, SAB273, SAB797, SAB798, SAB350) Report: SAB 314 (Spiderweb Cave): survey (see pack number 4). A more experienced and very small experienced caver should retry. If you head toward the fence in the cave you have to travel on your side on the ground. A helmet barely fits through. Ahead you can see a tiny room with a column and stalactite formations. Beyond that, another tight crawl space exists. This one is horizontally formed. It looks to be 10 feet long and beyond that is unknown. SAB 272 (Hard Wedge Cave): the tight fissure entrance dropped about 12 feet to the first ledge. The entire drop is about 20 feet. This cave is extremely narrow. Could not see beyond. SAB 797 (LIVC01 karst feature): the entrance was covered in overgrown shrubbery. Could not get around it or see inside. SAB 273 (coon scat cave): description given from 7/8/95 is correct except the entrance dropped about 10 feet down. SAB 798 (karst feature): 4 feet deep and very narrow. No way to fit beyond. SAB 350 (SABK001): could not locate. Next tasks: send screening, experienced cavers to investigate the type passage of spiderweb cave. Team 2: Lydia, David, Kasey Time 10:00 - 18:00. Total hours 24. Data: GPS Garman Ellie Watson Objectives: Ridge walk across the east side of the river and look for karst. Report: we ran across the river after walking down the trail to Gorman from the conference center. We hiked along the East Park boundary fence and fanned out looking for karst. We finally found something at the end of the hike 3.6 km from our start point (048). Karst feature was blowing air, needs modification (HEB). Then we swam in the river we cross and helped a scout
[Texascavers] Re: October CBSP Project Trip Report
Looks like one team was left off from the previous report. Jim, Yazmin, Tone, and Jason set out with the task of checking caves and karst features in the prolific Lively Pasture. Their objective was to tag, photodocument, and write detailed descriptions of everything they came across. They successfully located and documented SAB 267 (Gas Pipe Cave), SAB 225 (Slick Mudder Karst Feature), SAB 226 (Embryo Cave), SAB 224 (Cave #6), SAB 721, SAB 386 (SABK005 karst feature), SAB 239 (Centennial Cave), SAB 737 (Trash Sink), SAB 708 (Park-N-Dig), SAB 733a SAB 733b (Marchmallow Cave), SAB 812, SAB 203 (Space Heater Cave), SAB 257 (Earth Day Delight Cave), SAB 179 (Sore Toe Cave), and SAB 178 (Varmint Trap Cave). Full Report: Team 7: Jim, Yazmin, Tone, Jason Reporter: Jim Kennedy Total hours: 26 Objectives: Check caves and karst features in Lively Pasture for completeness, i.e. tags, photos, coordinates, descriptions, and future dig potential. Record additional biology. *SITES VISITED:* GAS PIPE CAVE (SAB0267) [karst feature] - The entrance is in a small sinkhole, about 1.1 meters long and 0.5m wide. A small tree with the cave’s namesake gas supply pipe is nearby. The entrance drops through soil to a bedrock crevice of the same length and only 0.33m wide. From the bedrock interface it drops another 1.5m to the sediment of the cave floor. Downdip the cave continues at least 2.6m more as a tight crawl over soil fill before becoming impassable with little hope of continuation. Reduvidiid bugs, harvestmen, cave crickets, and fresh porcupine scat were noted on 12 Oct 2013. Previously mapped in 2008. SLICK MUDDER KARST FEATURE (SAB0225) - This is a 4-meter-long elliptical sinkhole formed along a prominent bedrock joint. It is 1.5m at the widest point, sloping down through the soil cover to the bedrock crevice, which is no more than 0.3m wide. The crevice is largely soil-filled, with a few small drain points no more than 1m below the surface, but indicating some potential for passage below. No critters were noted. EMBRYO CAVE (SAB0226) [karst feature] - The entrance to this small cave is a tiny sinkhole only 1.5m from an internal fenceline. The opening has maximum dimensions of 0.8m x 0.4m. It is easily free-climbable through multiple chert layers to a depth of 2.4m. There is a low crawl at the bottom that heads northward at least 2m more, but it is only 0.2m wide. It has a dirt floor and is diggable but does not look promising. One raccoon was noted as well as harvestmen and cave crickets, an unidentified spider, and porcupine quills. Mapped in 2008. CAVE #6 (SAB224) - At the surface, this cave is a 10.3m-long crevice with various openings in a cedar elm copse surrounded by dense, nasty brush. The center hole leads to the majority of the passage. It drops 5m as a free- climbable fissure, then heads southeast 2.6m before becoming too tight. The drain continues with a dirt floor and may possibly be dug; and a larger passage can be seen through the restriction. Uphill, to the northwest, the cave goes up a 1m climb and continues at least 2.6m. A small surface hole to the northwest connects to this passage but is too tight for humans. See profile and cross section sketches. A mouse (*Peromyscus *sp.), cave crickets, harvestmen, a large black beetle, a large toad, an unidentified caterpillar, and 3cm scat (possibly from a ringtail, *Bassariscus astutus*) were noted in the cave. Surveyed in 2011, no map yet drafted SAB0721 karst feature [no other name] - This is a shallow L-shaped fissure with one leg about 3m long and the other 5m. Maximum width of the short side is 0.5m and depth is 0.45m. Maximum width of the long side is 0.8m and depth is 2.2m. The fissure is largely dirt-floored with some rocks, although dig potential seems minimal. An unidentified garter snake and harvestmen were seen in the fissure on 12 Oct 2013. This feature was previously untagged, so tag SAB 0721 was placed on a tree nearby. SABK005 karst feature (SAB0386 - This is another shallow, dirt-filled fissure with minimal dig potential. It is marked by old car parts and other metal ranch trash. It is somewhat L-shaped, with the short side totally plugged and the long side approximately 2.7m long and 0.7m wide, with a maximum depth of 2.4m. No critters or critter sign was noted. We placed a tag on a nearby tree. CENTENNIAL CAVE (SAB0239) - Nice open air pit requiring rope to descend. Entrance is teardrop shaped, 4.4m long and 1.1m wide at the wide end. It is at least 12m deep. A large oak at the edge of the pit makes a good rig point. Survey in progress by Lee Jay Graves and Karen Masters. TRASH SINK (SAB0737) - This feature is a large-diameter (7–8m) shallow sinkhole with ranch trash, including veterinary waste. There are no obvious places to dig despite numerous animal burrows in the sink. This would make a good backhoe dig due to its size and accessibility to the Park road. It was tagged on a nearby tree. PARK-N-DIG karst feature
Re: [Texascavers] Re: October CBSP Project Trip Report
SAB 239 Centennial Cave was surveyed, and drafted in May and June 1992, by Mike Anderson, Carolyn Biegert, Pat Geery, Rafal and Wojcoech Kedzierski and the draft was by Rafal Kedzierski. Map was included in trip reports filed with TPWD at the time and with the TSS later. Terry H. On 10/16/2013 1:22 AM, Kris Pena wrote: Looks like one team was left off from the previous report. Jim, Yazmin, Tone, and Jason set out with the task of checking caves and karst features in the prolific Lively Pasture. Their objective was to tag, photodocument, and write detailed descriptions of everything they came across. They successfully located and documented SAB 267 (Gas Pipe Cave), SAB 225 (Slick Mudder Karst Feature), SAB 226 (Embryo Cave), SAB 224 (Cave #6), SAB 721, SAB 386 (SABK005 karst feature), SAB 239 (Centennial Cave), SAB 737 (Trash Sink), SAB 708 (Park-N-Dig), SAB 733a SAB 733b (Marchmallow Cave), SAB 812, SAB 203 (Space Heater Cave), SAB 257 (Earth Day Delight Cave), SAB 179 (Sore Toe Cave), and SAB 178 (Varmint Trap Cave). Full Report: Team 7: Jim, Yazmin, Tone, Jason Reporter: Jim Kennedy Total hours: 26 Objectives: Check caves and karst features in Lively Pasture for completeness, i.e. tags, photos, coordinates, descriptions, and future dig potential. Record additional biology. *SITES VISITED:* GAS PIPE CAVE (SAB0267) [karst feature] - The entrance is in a small sinkhole, about 1.1 meters long and 0.5m wide. A small tree with the cave�s namesake gas supply pipe is nearby. The entrance drops through soil to a bedrock crevice of the same length and only 0.33m wide. From the bedrock interface it drops another 1.5m to the sediment of the cave floor. Downdip the cave continues at least 2.6m more as a tight crawl over soil fill before becoming impassable with little hope of continuation. Reduvidiid bugs, harvestmen, cave crickets, and fresh porcupine scat were noted on 12 Oct 2013. Previously mapped in 2008. SLICK MUDDER KARST FEATURE (SAB0225) - This is a 4-meter-long elliptical sinkhole formed along a prominent bedrock joint. It is 1.5m at the widest point, sloping down through the soil cover to the bedrock crevice, which is no more than 0.3m wide. The crevice is largely soil-filled, with a few small drain points no more than 1m below the surface, but indicating some potential for passage below. No critters were noted. EMBRYO CAVE (SAB0226) [karst feature] - The entrance to this small cave is a tiny sinkhole only 1.5m from an internal fenceline. The opening has maximum dimensions of 0.8m x 0.4m. It is easily free-climbable through multiple chert layers to a depth of 2.4m. There is a low crawl at the bottom that heads northward at least 2m more, but it is only 0.2m wide. It has a dirt floor and is diggable but does not look promising. One raccoon was noted as well as harvestmen and cave crickets, an unidentified spider, and porcupine quills. Mapped in 2008. CAVE #6 (SAB224) - At the surface, this cave is a 10.3m-long crevice with various openings in a cedar elm copse surrounded by dense, nasty brush. The center hole leads to the majority of the passage. It drops 5m as a free- climbable fissure, then heads southeast 2.6m before becoming too tight. The drain continues with a dirt floor and may possibly be dug; and a larger passage can be seen through the restriction. Uphill, to the northwest, the cave goes up a 1m climb and continues at least 2.6m. A small surface hole to the northwest connects to this passage but is too tight for humans. See profile and cross section sketches. A mouse (*Peromyscus *sp.), cave crickets, harvestmen, a large black beetle, a large toad, an unidentified caterpillar, and 3cm scat (possibly from a ringtail, *Bassariscus astutus*) were noted in the cave. Surveyed in 2011, no map yet drafted SAB0721 karst feature [no other name] - This is a shallow L-shaped fissure with one leg about 3m long and the other 5m. Maximum width of the short side is 0.5m and depth is 0.45m. Maximum width of the long side is 0.8m and depth is 2.2m. The fissure is largely dirt-floored with some rocks, although dig potential seems minimal. An unidentified garter snake and harvestmen were seen in the fissure on 12 Oct 2013. This feature was previously untagged, so tag SAB 0721 was placed on a tree nearby. SABK005 karst feature (SAB0386 - This is another shallow, dirt-filled fissure with minimal dig potential. It is marked by old car parts and other metal ranch trash. It is somewhat L-shaped, with the short side totally plugged and the long side approximately 2.7m long and 0.7m wide, with a maximum depth of 2.4m. No critters or critter sign was noted. We placed a tag on a nearby tree. CENTENNIAL CAVE (SAB0239) - Nice open air pit requiring rope to descend. Entrance is teardrop shaped, 4.4m long and 1.1m wide at the wide end. It is at least 12m deep. A large oak at the edge of the pit makes a good rig point. Survey in progress by Lee Jay Graves and Karen Masters. TRASH SINK (SAB0737)
[Texascavers] RE: October CBSP Project Trip Report
Rafal admitted that it was the first map he ever drafted and that he wasn't very happy with it. It doesn't really look like the cave, hence the need for a resurvey. Jim -Original Message- From: Terry Holsinger [mailto:tr...@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:04 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: October CBSP Project Trip Report SAB 239 Centennial Cave was surveyed, and drafted in May and June 1992, by Mike Anderson, Carolyn Biegert, Pat Geery, Rafal and Wojcoech Kedzierski and the draft was by Rafal Kedzierski. Map was included in trip reports filed with TPWD at the time and with the TSS later. Terry H. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: October CBSP Project Trip Report
Edit: SAB 245 is actually named Sump's Below, rather than Slumps Below. just fyi ;) On 16 October 2013 07:52, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Rafal admitted that it was the first map he ever drafted and that he wasn't very happy with it. It doesn't really look like the cave, hence the need for a resurvey. Jim -Original Message- From: Terry Holsinger [mailto:tr...@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:04 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: October CBSP Project Trip Report SAB 239 Centennial Cave was surveyed, and drafted in May and June 1992, by Mike Anderson, Carolyn Biegert, Pat Geery, Rafal and Wojcoech Kedzierski and the draft was by Rafal Kedzierski. Map was included in trip reports filed with TPWD at the time and with the TSS later. Terry H. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
[Texascavers] RE: October CBSP Project Trip Report
I admit Centennial Cave was my first map and needed another attempt at a map. It's a nice short drop into sizeable series of rooms in Lively Pasture, not a bad vertical practice site for all. For those itching to survey in Colorado Bend State Park, Gorman Creek Crevice in Lively Pasture and Three Skylight Cave across the river have good going leads. And Sumps Below Cave is the correct name, it roughly overlies surveyed and sumped southern end of Gorman Cave. If one could just get into those tight fissures. Rafal Kedzierski Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 08:56:54 -0500 From: trog...@cavechat.org To: kapkanga...@gmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: October CBSP Project Trip Report Edit: SAB 245 is actually named Sump's Below, rather than Slumps Below. just fyi ;) On 16 October 2013 07:52, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com wrote: Rafal admitted that it was the first map he ever drafted and that he wasn't very happy with it. It doesn't really look like the cave, hence the need for a resurvey. Jim -Original Message- From: Terry Holsinger [mailto:tr...@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:04 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: October CBSP Project Trip Report SAB 239 Centennial Cave was surveyed, and drafted in May and June 1992, by Mike Anderson, Carolyn Biegert, Pat Geery, Rafal and Wojcoech Kedzierski and the draft was by Rafal Kedzierski. Map was included in trip reports filed with TPWD at the time and with the TSS later. Terry H. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
