[Texascavers] New Huautla Cave Diving Expedition video online
Chris Jewell has finally slowed down on his presentation schedule to put together some video (in 1080p if you have the bandwidth) from the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition trip Feb 24th- April 14th 2013 Have a look on YouTube here: http://youtu.be/iajDjEX6jqY Terry H. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[SWR] Winter Tech TOMORROW
In spite of the frigid weather, the SWR Winter Technical Regional will be held tomorrow at the National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) in Carlsbad. We are going to have a wonderful time and hear a full day's worth of great talks. Building opens at 8 am, meeting 9-10, talks till about 4:30, and evening dinner/social 6-10 pm (map to evening events at NCKRI). Bring your wooly socks and gloves, and travel safely. Hope to see you all soon! Carol ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 6 Dec 2013 16:38:55 -0000 Issue 1893
texascavers Digest 6 Dec 2013 16:38:55 - Issue 1893 Topics (messages 23119 through 23126): Cave B ? 23119 by: David Bexar Grotto Christmas Party 23120 by: Geary Schindel Bizarre microbes discovered in desert cave in Arizona 23121 by: Lee H. Skinner TCMA election results are in! 23122 by: Bennett Lee Re: election results 23123 by: David Dates for TSA Spring Cionvention: Saturday, May 3 and May 4, 2014 23124 by: caverarch New Huautla Cave Diving Expedition video online 23125 by: Terry Holsinger Winter Tech TOMORROW 23126 by: Carol Belski Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Hard to believe that was nearly 20 years ago. Was there not a pre-convention trip to Grutas de Carrizal ? On the subject of Emerald Sink, it is possible that cavers could visit the first level of the cave without worry, as I think 7 cavers went past the Junction Room in 94 to look down the drop in Emerald Sink and none of them reported being sick. They were probably underground less than 2 hours and would not have been doing anything too strenuous to be taking deep breaths. The pit is the kind of rappel you would only want to do, if you did not have access to any other 140 foot, or just wanted to bop it once so you would know what is down there. Meaning it is boring compared to other 140 foot pits. The question I have, is what would it take to pump the bat urine out of the sump and haul out the dirt and rocks and guano. That would make the cave at least a few deeper. There is probably several thousand years of guano in the sump, from a colony of 500 bats, very near the sump. Is there a good map of the sump ? Diving in bat urine sounds sporting, but I do not recall the diver mentioning anything about guano. While I am ranting about guano, does anyone know any aquarium hobbyist using a pinch of guano under the roots of their aquarium plants ? David Locklear ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Folks, The Bexar Grotto is holding their annual holiday (Christmas) party on Saturday, December 14 from 6 pm onward. All grotto members, cavers, and friends are welcome. This is a pot luck so bring a dish. I'll also have the grill going. There will also be a white elephant gift exchange so if you would like to participate, bring an appropriate gift - camo thongs were real popular last year. If you want to come early, we'll put you to work helping get the house ready. Couple of rules about the party. If you bring a tray or find one from last year, please take it home with you. All the white elephant gifts also need to go home. Also, if you don't think you can drive home or are coming from a long distance, we have lots of room and you're welcome to spend the night. We'll even fix you breakfast (leftovers from the party - last year it was potato chips off the carpet). So, come on over for a great time, don't block the neighbor's driveways and STAY OFF THE ROOF. Geary and Sue Schindel 11310 Whisper Dawn San Antonio, Texas 210.479.2151 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- from NBC News: A team of researchers led by scientists at the University of Arizona in Tucson discovered communities of microorganisms that live in the limestone caves of Kartchner Caverns State Park http://www.livescience.com/37682-assassin-bug-species-discovery.html. These microbial ecosystems thrive by teasing out the limited nutrients in water runoff that drips into the cave through cracks in the cave's rocky exterior, the researchers said. Full story at: http://tinyurl.com/lchcp5o Lee Skinner ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- TCMA election results are in! Saj Zappitello and John Brooks were both reelected. We are glad to have their continued service on the board. We would also like to welcome Bill Bentley to the TCMA board. He has been an avid caver and TCMA member for decades, and we look forward to the contributions he can make to the board. I want to note that the race was very close. Denise Prendergast also ran and was only 5 votes away from being elected. Your votes count! For those of you missed voting, you could have swung the election. And even though this election is over, there are still many ways that you can contribute. Organizations like the TCMA can only exist with the support of people like you, so get involved! ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- The Board would greatly benefit with Denise involved. I am not a TCMA member, so I can't make a motion, but if she wants to be on the Board, then someone should appoint her. David Locklear ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- After consultation within
[Texascavers] Could you survive after falling 45 feet?
Listen to this fascinating Science Friday podcast and remember: if you spread yourself out and fall flat into a specially designed mat, you'd probably live but your organs would hurt. http://www.npr.org/2013/11/29/247381666/at-streb-action-lab-dance-and-physics-collide How is this related to caving? Anyone fall a long way in a cave? I've fallen about 15 feet but landed on Bill Steele (and no, I didn't have the time to spread myself out flat, Bill wasn't particularly designed to serve as a mat, and the only thing seriously injured was my dignity). Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Could you survive after falling 45 feet?
Nothing super about it, thanks. Just the influence of watching Jackie Chan movies. Bill Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:58 PM, caverarch cavera...@aol.com wrote: We've always suspected you have super powers, Bill. Roger -Original Message- From: Speleosteele speleoste...@aol.com To: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:37 pm Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Could you survive after falling 45 feet? I fell 25 feet one time in an Indiana cave when I was climbing unbelayed on a cable ladder and it broke. Four of us had gone down the ladder, gone caving way back in the cave for many hours (Parker's Pit), and when we got back to the ladder one caver climbed up it first and reached the top safely. I was second and it broke on me just as I got to the top. I fell through midair the whole way and remember seeing my light shine on the wall as I fell. I hit real hard on a sloping mud bank and my chest slammed into the floor. It knocked the wind out of me, I sprained my ankle, but other than that I was unhurt. As far as Diana landing on me as she says below, I have a different version of that incident. My version is that I was watching her downclimb from below and as she fell I had a split second to either step out of the way or get involved. I got involved, and liking Jackie Chan movies, and having watched many of them, I kicked in Jackie Chan-like lightening action, operating in the millisecond, and flipped her around in midair so she didn't land on her head but instead landed on her rump. There were eye witnesses. Bill Steele In a message dated 12/6/2013 12:53:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu writes: Listen to this fascinating Science Friday podcast and remember: if you spread yourself out and fall flat into a specially designed mat, you'd probably live but your organs would hurt. http://www.npr.org/2013/11/29/247381666/at-streb-action-lab-dance-and-physics-collide How is this related to caving? Anyone fall a long way in a cave? I've fallen about 15 feet but landed on Bill Steele (and no, I didn't have the time to spread myself out flat, Bill wasn't particularly designed to serve as a mat, and the only thing seriously injured was my dignity). Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Could you survive after falling 45 feet?
When I took a wilderness emergency medical class the doctor said what kills most people that take a fall is the sudden stop. No joke. He said it causes the internal organs, which are fluid filled, to rupture similar to water balloons hitting a wall. Oh yeah, there are broken bones but it's the internal bleeding what you have to look for. Sometimes it won't show up for hours. The victim is bleeding out internally. There are times the ruptures can coagulate and the bleeding will stop and they wonder why they are passing blood later. But I'm sure there are some doctors out there that can speak to this issue much better. -Original Message- From: John Greer [mailto:jgr...@greerservices.com] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:25 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Could you survive after falling 45 feet? I once described a number of European caving accidents (for the old AMCS Newsletter before it quit, and the ms was lost). One was a farmer in southern France (as I recall) who fell 200' in an open pit to a flat dirt floor. He broke both ankles, only, was rescued, went temporarily to the hospital, and then back to farming. This, of course, is an exceptional exception to the usual outcome. John Greer - Original Message - From: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu To: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:52 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Could you survive after falling 45 feet? Listen to this fascinating Science Friday podcast and remember: if you spread yourself out and fall flat into a specially designed mat, you'd probably live but your organs would hurt. http://www.npr.org/2013/11/29/247381666/at-streb-action-lab-dance-and-physics-collide How is this related to caving? Anyone fall a long way in a cave? I've fallen about 15 feet but landed on Bill Steele (and no, I didn't have the time to spread myself out flat, Bill wasn't particularly designed to serve as a mat, and the only thing seriously injured was my dignity). Diana - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
