[Texascavers] Jewel Cave article
Thanks, Dwight, and especially Lee for the tiny URL that actually works. But I wouldn't call it a nice article on Jewel Cave. Any article that quotes Mike Wiles about geology pretty much automatically isn't. -- Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fwd: Interested in helping
In a later message, Alfonso wrote that he will principally be in Mexico City area. I've suggested he contact Ramón Espinasa or Gustavo Vela. Any other pointers would I'm sure be appreciated. -- Mixon Begin forwarded message: From: Alfonso Abad alfons.a...@gmail.com Date: December 7, 2013 6:29:39 PM CST To: a...@amcs-pubs.org Subject: Interested in helping Hi, I am a member of the NSS in Arizona but will be in mexico for 6 months or just about. In AZ I helped to map a couple of caves. I am looking to do something similar while I am in Mexico. I am originally from Mexico city and speak English and Spanish fluently. If you can give me information about this i will appreciate it. Thanks Alfonso Abad -Alfonso Sent from my Nexus 4 Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
[SWR] Follow-up on the NGS Film: Mystery Caves Of Guangxi
Follow-up on the NGS Film: Mystery Caves Of Guangxi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYn-DeQjL8 For additional maps, cross-sections, and photographs of the spectacular Leye Karst, including Mawangdong Cave, Bandong Tienkeng, and the through-cave photographed in this movie, see page 3 of the Leye-Fengshan Geopark, Sanmenhai Karst Tourguide http://www.naturalarches.org/files/LeyeFengshanGeoparkChina.pdf Cavers will find this additional data interesting. Videographers will better appreciate the skill of those manning the camera and doing the editing. At the time this film was shot, the Leye-Fengshan Geopark was well-developed for tourism. It must have been a real challenge NOT to show more of the tourist trails, stairs, guardrails, roads, and other developments in the finished film. It also appears that the (mysterious) origin of the huge collapse dolines featured in the film was well explained in English-language interpretive signs and brochures to be read by visitors (including the National Geographic Explorers) at the time they visited the caves and shot the film. FYI: The National Geographic Channel (NGC) is jointly owned by Fox Cable Networks and National Geographic Television Film. They are acknowledged as producing documentaries with factual content and pseudo-scientific entertainment programming on NGC (Wikipedia). This film appears to be a documentary enhanced with exaggerated mystery and danger. My contacts in China point out that the video is providing lots of publicity for the Leye-Fengshan Geopark, which is likely to make it easier (but probably more expensive) for future expeditions to get permission to cave in those areas. DirtDoc ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
texascavers Digest 8 Dec 2013 18:00:24 -0000 Issue 1895
texascavers Digest 8 Dec 2013 18:00:24 - Issue 1895 Topics (messages 23140 through 23146): underground rights 23140 by: Mixon Bill Re: NSS Flyer 23141 by: Gill Edigar Jewel Cave 23142 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net Re: [SWR] Jewel Cave 23143 by: Lee H. Skinner Jewel Cave article 23144 by: Mixon Bill Re: Interested in helping 23145 by: Mixon Bill Follow-up on the NGS Film: Mystery Caves Of Guangxi 23146 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Actually, the case I was thinking of _was_ in Kentucky in 1929: Edwards v. Sims 232 Ky. 791, 24 S.W.2d 619 (1929). The question was really whether neighboring landowner should be permitted to survey Great Onyx Cave to verify whether or not it went under his land, but the assumption was that if it did, he could forbid showing that part of the cave. Appears to be a famous case; Google finds 324,000 hits for Edwards v Sims. I have a photocopy of the appeals court decision, including a dissent, that is pages 58 to 63 in some unknown (to me) book. The dissent argues that, although indeed one owns the land and everything under it to the center of the earth, that ownership really only applies to things that the owner can make use of. A cave without an entrance on his land wouldn't count. But the majority of the appeals court ruled the other way. No doubt other similar cases have arisen from time to time. -- Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Post the flyer on the TSA webpage and post the link on CaveTex. --Ediger On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Jacqueline Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.netwrote: All, I've received a flyer from the NSS Bookstore. I know some of us do not have newsletters and I think it missed any pre-Christmas Caver so I would like to post it to this list. I do not want to post it on the list without checking with everybody because it will likely come through as an attachment of 323 KB. Will that severely upset anyone for any reason? Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Jewel Cave A rather nice article on Jewel Cave today (Sunday 8 Dec 2013) in the Rapid City Journal. http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/jewel%20cave%20article%20-%20rc%20journal%20dec%208%202013.pdf?auth=coloc=en_USid=640314part=2 DirtDoc ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- If you have trouble with Dwight's link, try this one: http://tinyurl.com/nzbft8c -Lee Jewel Cave A rather nice article on Jewel Cave today (Sunday 8 Dec 2013) in the Rapid City Journal. http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/jewel%20cave%20article%20-%20rc%20journal%20dec%208%202013.pdf?auth=coloc=en_USid=640314part=2 DirtDoc ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Thanks, Dwight, and especially Lee for the tiny URL that actually works. But I wouldn't call it a nice article on Jewel Cave. Any article that quotes Mike Wiles about geology pretty much automatically isn't. -- Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- In a later message, Alfonso wrote that he will principally be in Mexico City area. I've suggested he contact Ramón Espinasa or Gustavo Vela. Any other pointers would I'm sure be appreciated. -- Mixon Begin forwarded message: From: Alfonso Abad alfons.a...@gmail.com Date: December 7, 2013 6:29:39 PM CST To: a...@amcs-pubs.org Subject: Interested in helping Hi, I am a member of the NSS in Arizona but will be in mexico for 6 months or just about. In AZ I helped to map a couple of caves. I am looking to do something similar while I am in Mexico. I am originally from Mexico city and speak English and Spanish fluently. If you can give me information about this i will appreciate it. Thanks Alfonso Abad -Alfonso Sent from my Nexus 4 Work is the curse of
[SWR] Jewel Cave
Jewel Cave A rather nice article on Jewel Cave today (Sunday 8 Dec 2013) in the Rapid City Journal. http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/jewel%20cave%20article%20-%20rc%20journal%20dec%208%202013.pdf?auth=coloc=en_USid=640314part=2 DirtDoc ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Jewel Cave
If you have trouble with Dwight's link, try this one: http://tinyurl.com/nzbft8c -Lee Jewel Cave A rather nice article on Jewel Cave today (Sunday 8 Dec 2013) in the Rapid City Journal. http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/jewel%20cave%20article%20-%20rc%20journal%20dec%208%202013.pdf?auth=coloc=en_USid=640314part=2 DirtDoc ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] Jewel Cave
Most of the readers aren't either -- (I wonder if their grammar is as good as mine?) DirtDoc - Original Message - From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: s...@caver.net, texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2013 11:03:54 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] Jewel Cave Nice article, but the author isn't very good at math: ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
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[SWR] Thanks!
I've received a couple of quick replies with Jim's address. Thanks!! George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
