Re: [Texascavers] First TCR 1978
Very cool Logan! I spent some time with Jacques Chabert at the Vercor Speleo film festival in France in the 1980s, then corresponded with him a bit in 2008. And, of course, caught up with Michel Siffre at the ICS in 2009. On 8/29/14, 10:58 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks Carl, for all that great historical information and photo. I see that Michel Siffre and his right-hand man Gerard Cappa signed the register. I had not seen them since the 1972 Midnight Cave project when Pete Strickland and I and other cavers helped Gerard, Jacques Chabert and crew dismantle the cave camp. In '72 Gerard spoke no English and I spoke no French, so our communications about the tasks at hand were limited to primitive verbal noises, animated gestures, and crude sketches in the dirt. Since then Michel Gerard had spent a lot of time in Mexico and Guatemala, so Gerard had learned Spanish, and I knew some. We had great fun finally explaining to each other what we had been trying to say in 1972! Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Photos Luckenbach Sept. 1978
Here is a link to facebook photo album of all the photos I have of 1st Texas Old Timers' Reunion... ...gathering at the old cotton gin in Luckenbach... https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.127431190689270.21883.12671681186type=1l=eef680bf0f Carl, thanks for posting the registration sheets! Bob West rawest...@hotmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] tcr
I missed it and perhaps never heard about it. But I was at the second. Roger Moore Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2014, at 9:29 PM, George Veni via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I know why I skipped it. I didn’t understand what it was and could become, and I had a good caving trip planned to the Langtry caves. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek via Texascavers Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:22 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] tcr Logan, For some reason we missed the first one - around daughter Amy's birthday - but made second. Jim and I would need to be on that list of old timers who still go caving, too:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: remanysensories memories LowGun lmcn...@austin.rr.com So how many cavers on this list were there? I was, and can think of about 10 others for sure, probably more. All you Old Timers let us know. You more recent cavers probably will just want to delete these messages as yet more trivial reminescenses from folks who don't go caving anymore (except for notable exceptions like Steele, Sprouse, Minton, Garza, Broussard, Binney, and a few others--not sure who is on this list). LowGun On 8/29/2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers wrote: TCR--On this day (the Friday before Labor Day) in 1978 the participants in the 1st Texas Cavers Reunion (TOTR at the time) were gathering at the old cotton gin in Luckenbach, Texas--89 of um as I recall. Attached Message Part ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers
Hit delete button now. This post is from David Locklear. dlocklea...@gmail.com This is a follow-up to a post 2 weeks ago about helping a retired caver clean out his old house. Today, I delivered some of his donated items to my rental unit in Brenham. Some of the items once belonged to caver Donna Mosesmann. The 3 links below are the same photo, just enlarged. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywbji1dxbbyx9u3/IMAG0214.jpg?dl=0 https:// https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g8rik5x0ic07aj/IMAG0215.jpg?dl=0 www.dropbox.com https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g8rik5x0ic07aj/IMAG0215.jpg?dl=0 /s/2g8rik5x0ic07aj/IMAG0215.jpg? https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g8rik5x0ic07aj/IMAG0215.jpg?dl=0dl https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g8rik5x0ic07aj/IMAG0215.jpg?dl=0=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2g8rik5x0ic07aj/IMAG0215.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/rl0tscy7olhxpl3/IMAG0216.jpg?dl=0 All of tose items and more fit inside my old Honda Fit, for the 2 hour road-trip. Unfortunately, the photo does not show the caving related items, but you can see a souvenir plate of Mammoth Cave, a beanie-baby bat, an antique Carlsbad ash-tray, and a cover shot of an issue of The Texas Caver featuring a photo of a real caver. In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items. It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than I am planning for. Only a handful of people know, about my buried treasure here, which are the people reading this message. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers
David, If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really good price), then you are paying $1200 a year. So the cost of the unit is more than what you say the contents are worth. In 50 years you will have paid over $60,000. That is just poor economics. Jim On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: snip In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items. It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than I am planning for. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers
Hi David! You might want to consider donating your cave gear now to your local grotto. If it's in good shape, they can use it as loaner gear for newbies who have none. The commemorative items like Mammoth and CaCa would make excellent donations to the TCMA for their auction at TCR. The money raised is used for cave conservation. julia germany germa...@aol.com - from julia's cell On Aug 30, 2014, at 16:23, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: David, If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really good price), then you are paying $1200 a year. So the cost of the unit is more than what you say the contents are worth. In 50 years you will have paid over $60,000. That is just poor economics. Jim On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: snip In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items. It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than I am planning for. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers
Maybe you can auction all those items off instead of giving it away for free. Proceeds pay for your storage and whatever is left donated to the grotto to help maintain existing grotto gear and run the various websites we have for member recruitment. Maybe do it sooner than later to stop the cash bleed having to rent that storage space in Brenham. On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Hi David! You might want to consider donating your cave gear now to your local grotto. If it's in good shape, they can use it as loaner gear for newbies who have none. The commemorative items like Mammoth and CaCa would make excellent donations to the TCMA for their auction at TCR. The money raised is used for cave conservation. julia germany germa...@aol.com - from julia's cell On Aug 30, 2014, at 16:23, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: David, If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really good price), then you are paying $1200 a year. So the cost of the unit is more than what you say the contents are worth. In 50 years you will have paid over $60,000. That is just poor economics. Jim On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: snip In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items. It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than I am planning for. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] First TCR 1978
The next year--'79 '80--I spent 7 weeks as guide, driver, interpreter in Mexico, Belize, Guatemala with Michel Siffre, Gerrard Cappa, Barb McLeod in prep for a film he was going to make and a book he was going to write. On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Frank Binney via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Very cool Logan! I spent some time with Jacques Chabert at the Vercor Speleo film festival in France in the 1980s, then corresponded with him a bit in 2008. And, of course, caught up with Michel Siffre at the ICS in 2009. On 8/29/14, 10:58 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks Carl, for all that great historical information and photo. I see that Michel Siffre and his right-hand man Gerard Cappa signed the register. I had not seen them since the 1972 Midnight Cave project when Pete Strickland and I and other cavers helped Gerard, Jacques Chabert and crew dismantle the cave camp. In '72 Gerard spoke no English and I spoke no French, so our communications about the tasks at hand were limited to primitive verbal noises, animated gestures, and crude sketches in the dirt. Since then Michel Gerard had spent a lot of time in Mexico and Guatemala, so Gerard had learned Spanish, and I knew some. We had great fun finally explaining to each other what we had been trying to say in 1972! Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] The next year--'79 '80--I spent 7 weeks as guide, driver, interpreter in Mexico, Belize, Guatemala with Michel Siffre, Gerrard Cappa, Barb McLeod in prep for a film he was going
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Re: [Texascavers] tcr
Of 28 names on the first page, Logan, I find 9 that as far as I can tell are not actively with us anymore for one reason or another--death, lost, or otherwise gone. All the rest are still amongst the quick or can be readily resurrected. --Ediger On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: remanysensories memories LowGun lmcn...@austin.rr.com So how many cavers on this list were there? I was, and can think of about 10 others for sure, probably more. All you Old Timers let us know. You more recent cavers probably will just want to delete these messages as yet more trivial reminescenses from folks who don't go caving anymore (except for notable exceptions like Steele, Sprouse, Minton, Garza, Broussard, Binney, and a few others--not sure who is on this list). LowGun On 8/29/2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers wrote: TCR--On this day (the Friday before Labor Day) in 1978 the participants in the 1st Texas Cavers Reunion (TOTR at the time) were gathering at the old cotton gin in Luckenbach, Texas--89 of um as I recall. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers
David, quote me a price for that MACA plate and I'll start helping you pay for your storage unit right now. :) Mallory mmay...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Maybe you can auction all those items off instead of giving it away for free. Proceeds pay for your storage and whatever is left donated to the grotto to help maintain existing grotto gear and run the various websites we have for member recruitment. Maybe do it sooner than later to stop the cash bleed having to rent that storage space in Brenham. On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Hi David! You might want to consider donating your cave gear now to your local grotto. If it's in good shape, they can use it as loaner gear for newbies who have none. The commemorative items like Mammoth and CaCa would make excellent donations to the TCMA for their auction at TCR. The money raised is used for cave conservation. julia germany germa...@aol.com - from julia's cell On Aug 30, 2014, at 16:23, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: David, If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really good price), then you are paying $1200 a year. So the cost of the unit is more than what you say the contents are worth. In 50 years you will have paid over $60,000. That is just poor economics. Jim On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: snip In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items. It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than I am planning for. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] tcr
There were something on the order of 325 TSA members at the time. I think (?) that those were mostly the only ones we sent announcements to. Maybe some Grotto lists were resourced as well. --Ediger On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Roger Moore via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I missed it and perhaps never heard about it. But I was at the second. Roger Moore Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2014, at 9:29 PM, George Veni via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I know why I skipped it. I didn’t understand what it was and could become, and I had a good caving trip planned to the Langtry caves. George George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Mimi Jasek via Texascavers *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 8:22 PM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] tcr Logan, For some reason we missed the first one - around daughter Amy's birthday - but made second. Jim and I would need to be on that list of old timers who still go caving, too:) Mimi Jasek Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: remanysensories memories LowGun lmcn...@austin.rr.com So how many cavers on this list were there? I was, and can think of about 10 others for sure, probably more. All you Old Timers let us know. You more recent cavers probably will just want to delete these messages as yet more trivial reminescenses from folks who don't go caving anymore (except for notable exceptions like Steele, Sprouse, Minton, Garza, Broussard, Binney, and a few others--not sure who is on this list). LowGun On 8/29/2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers wrote: TCR--On this day (the Friday before Labor Day) in 1978 the participants in the 1st Texas Cavers Reunion (TOTR at the time) were gathering at the old cotton gin in Luckenbach, Texas--89 of um as I recall. Attached Message Part ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] attendees
Of 28 names on the first page, Logan, I find 9 that as far as I can tell are not actively with us anymore for one reason or another--death, lost, or otherwise gone. All the rest are still amongst the quick or can be readily resurrected. --Ediger ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
