[Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- *Bill Bentley* ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
That means you’re old enough to know better than to attend, Bill ;-) -Stefan stefan.crea...@arm.commailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.netmailto:ca...@caver.net -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
I vote for 65 years of age and up. Bill Sent from my iPhone C. William Bill Steele cell 214-770-4712 cwilliamste...@gmail.com www.worldexplorersbureau.com On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Wouldn't old-timer-ness be more of a function of how long someone's been caving than of age? Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote: That means you’re old enough to know better than to attend, Bill ;-) -Stefan stefan.crea...@arm.com From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
So, Are you signed up for the Distinguished Lecture or the Texas Hydro Geo Workshop. Geary -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:41 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices Wouldn't old-timer-ness be more of a function of how long someone's been caving than of age? Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote: That means you’re old enough to know better than to attend, Bill ;-) -Stefan stefan.crea...@arm.com From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
It¹s not the age, but the mileage we should acknowledge in TCR ³Old Timer² pricing. I suggest the criteria should be: ³Anyone who pushed low, tight water crawls prior to 1968² -Frank Frank Binney Frank Binney Associates Interpretive Planning and Media Development P.O. Box 258 Woodacre, CA 94973 415.488.1200 Voice 415.999.0556 Mobile fr...@frankbinney.com From: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Reply-To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, September 12, 2014 at 10:06 AM To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices I vote for 65 years of age and up. Bill Sent from my iPhone C. William Bill Steele cell 214-770-4712 cwilliamste...@gmail.com www.worldexplorersbureau.com http://www.worldexplorersbureau.com On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascav ers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Sorry, the previous message was intended for Jacqui. Geary -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Geary Schindel via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:42 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices So, Are you signed up for the Distinguished Lecture or the Texas Hydro Geo Workshop. Geary -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:41 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices Wouldn't old-timer-ness be more of a function of how long someone's been caving than of age? Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote: That means you’re old enough to know better than to attend, Bill ;-) -Stefan stefan.crea...@arm.com From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Maybe an old timer is someone that attended the first TOTR or at least had the choice to attend? From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.netmailto:ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Racccoon is only two. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:06 PM, C. William Steele via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I vote for 65 years of age and up. Bill Sent from my iPhone C. William Bill Steele cell 214-770-4712 cwilliamste...@gmail.com www.worldexplorersbureau.com On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- *Bill Bentley* ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
I was on the registration sheet at Luckenbach but no one saw me cause I was in the bar with Hondo and Strickland. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Maybe an old timer is someone that attended the first TOTR or at least had the choice to attend? *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bentley via Texascavers *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- *Bill Bentley* ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Definition of Old-timer
I disagree that age should be a factor. A person must show proof they are an Old-timer to receive this sacred title. Here are examples of proof, 1 ). NSS # issued before 1970. 2 ). A certificate of caving merit issued before 1975, or a photo or major article in a respected caving publication, by 1975. 3 ). Proof you were a member of a caving organization prior to the discovery of Golindrinas. 4 ). Your name is Fritz Holt. 5 ). You made a major caving discovery prior to 1979, such as the connections in Oaxaca. 6 ). You were the victim a major caving accident report before 1979. 7 ). You went caving in the Texas commercial caves before they were open for business. 8 ). You once owned 300 feet of Goldline rope and actually used it in a deep pit. David Locklear NSS # 27639 [ Not an Old-Timer, but my bones squeak and ache. ] ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Definition of Old-timer
David, Maybe you're not an old-enough timer to remember this, but the major connections in Oaxaca didn't begin until 1980. That's when Li Nita was connected to Sotano de San Agustin, making Sistema Huautla the deepest cave in the Western Hemisphere. Several more connections in Huautla followed in the 80s, and then we started making connections in the Cheve area in the late 80s and early 90s. As far as criteria for oldtimers goes, you might consider something like OTR in WV uses. That includes having attended a certain number of OTR events, having made a significant contribution to caving before a certain date, having been a caver for a certain number of years, etc. Age alone should definitely not be a determining factor. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, September 12, 2014 1:59 pm, David via Texascavers wrote: I disagree that age should be a factor. A person must show proof they are an Old-timer to receive this sacred title. Here are examples of proof, 1 ). NSS # issued before 1970. 2 ). A certificate of caving merit issued before 1975, or a photo or major article in a respected caving publication, by 1975. 3 ). Proof you were a member of a caving organization prior to the discovery of Golindrinas. 4 ). Your name is Fritz Holt. 5 ). You made a major caving discovery prior to 1979, such as the connections in Oaxaca. 6 ). You were the victim a major caving accident report before 1979. 7 ). You went caving in the Texas commercial caves before they were open for business. 8 ). You once owned 300 feet of Goldline rope and actually used it in a deep pit. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
It appears that Ellie will have to build a matrix to rank and rate all of the variables to determine this. On Friday, September 12, 2014 12:55 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I was on the registration sheet at Luckenbach but no one saw me cause I was in the bar with Hondo and Strickland. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Maybe an old timer is someone that attended the first TOTR or at least had the choice to attend? From:Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bentley via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
alternate suggestion: instant visual identification procedure == ATTENTION,
OLD FART ON DECK
On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Forget I asked
On Sep 12, 2014 1:13 PM, Jon via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
It appears that Ellie will have to build a matrix to rank and rate all of the
variables to determine this.
On Friday, September 12, 2014 12:55 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
I was on the registration sheet at Luckenbach but no one saw me cause I was in
the bar with Hondo and Strickland.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Maybe an old timer is someone that attended the first TOTR or at least had the
choice to attend?
From: Texascavers
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What constitutes an Old Timer qualification?
On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:
TCR Registration Prices:
Adult - $25.00
Child - $15.00
Family - $80.00
Old timer - $15.00
Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes.
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] old-timer definition
Once before, I think the definition was something like had been a Texas caver before 1970. I caved in Texas in 1964, but that doesn't count, because I was just visiting for the 1964 NSS convention, when we got to cave in Indian Creek Cave and Devil's Sinkhole, neither of which has been open for caving for years now. Devil's Sinkhole unfortunately fell into the hands of the state. Incidentally, the more info link for TCR in the UT Grotto calendar says virtually nothing. Someone who is in Google's tentacles needs to make that link point somewhere useful, like http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TCR/index.html . -- Mixon Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Ellie is only the messenger, I make the TCR rules. Be nice to her or oldtimers will pay geriatric fees. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
All, For registration purposes this year, Child is classified as 12 years of age and under Old Timer is people who were caving before TCR started in 1978 I know there will be questions and complaints and we will deal with them as they arise. Ellie On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie is only the messenger, I make the TCR rules. Be nice to her or oldtimers will pay geriatric fees. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Oldtimers will have to show their Depends at the registration booth. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All, For registration purposes this year, Child is classified as 12 years of age and under Old Timer is people who were caving before TCR started in 1978 I know there will be questions and complaints and we will deal with them as they arise. Ellie On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie is only the messenger, I make the TCR rules. Be nice to her or oldtimers will pay geriatric fees. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
Lol On Sep 12, 2014 1:49 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Oldtimers will have to show their Depends at the registration booth. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All, For registration purposes this year, Child is classified as 12 years of age and under Old Timer is people who were caving before TCR started in 1978 I know there will be questions and complaints and we will deal with them as they arise. Ellie On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie is only the messenger, I make the TCR rules. Be nice to her or oldtimers will pay geriatric fees. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
1) Glad I'm not going to be at the registration booth 2) Someone had better give the registrators (?) good glasses ;-) -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn via Texascavers Oldtimers will have to show their Depends at the registration booth. --Don -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
So to answer the question, what is the price of registration for Old Timers, the answer is Depends... George Veni -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn via Texascavers Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:49 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices Oldtimers will have to show their Depends at the registration booth. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All, For registration purposes this year, Child is classified as 12 years of age and under Old Timer is people who were caving before TCR started in 1978 I know there will be questions and complaints and we will deal with them as they arise. Ellie On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie is only the messenger, I make the TCR rules. Be nice to her or oldtimers will pay geriatric fees. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] old-timer definition
Right, State ownership provides management and access for science versus the likelihood of zero access if it remained in private hands. Back it up or pack it up, Bill. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com On Friday, September 12, 2014 1:49 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Once before, I think the definition was something like had been a Texas caver before 1970. I caved in Texas in 1964, but that doesn't count, because I was just visiting for the 1964 NSS convention, when we got to cave in Indian Creek Cave and Devil's Sinkhole, neither of which has been open for caving for years now. Devil's Sinkhole unfortunately fell into the hands of the state. Incidentally, the more info link for TCR in the UT Grotto calendar says virtually nothing. Someone who is in Google's tentacles needs to make that link point somewhere useful, like http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TCR/index.html . -- Mixon Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] old-timer definition
All old timers look like Old Man Wisdom or the late Squire Lewis, all other are frauds. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Once before, I think the definition was something like had been a Texas caver before 1970. I caved in Texas in 1964, but that doesn't count, because I was just visiting for the 1964 NSS convention, when we got to cave in Indian Creek Cave and Devil's Sinkhole, neither of which has been open for caving for years now. Devil's Sinkhole unfortunately fell into the hands of the state. Incidentally, the more info link for TCR in the UT Grotto calendar says virtually nothing. Someone who is in Google's tentacles needs to make that link point somewhere useful, like http://www.cavetexas.org/ events/TCR/index.html. -- Mixon Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] old-timer definition
Only Fritz Holt is qualified. -- Lyndon Tiu On Sep 12, 2014 2:33 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: All old timers look like Old Man Wisdom or the late Squire Lewis, all other are frauds. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Once before, I think the definition was something like had been a Texas caver before 1970. I caved in Texas in 1964, but that doesn't count, because I was just visiting for the 1964 NSS convention, when we got to cave in Indian Creek Cave and Devil's Sinkhole, neither of which has been open for caving for years now. Devil's Sinkhole unfortunately fell into the hands of the state. Incidentally, the more info link for TCR in the UT Grotto calendar says virtually nothing. Someone who is in Google's tentacles needs to make that link point somewhere useful, like http://www.cavetexas.org/ events/TCR/index.html. -- Mixon Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] [Susan Souby]
Please contact Don Arburn off list please. Thank you! d...@oztotl.com --Don ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
I want to be a general. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jon via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It appears that Ellie will have to build a matrix to rank and rate all of the variables to determine this. On Friday, September 12, 2014 12:55 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I was on the registration sheet at Luckenbach but no one saw me cause I was in the bar with Hondo and Strickland. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Maybe an old timer is someone that attended the first TOTR or at least had the choice to attend? *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Bentley via Texascavers *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices What constitutes an Old Timer qualification? On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- *Bill Bentley* ca...@caver.net ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com/ Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Definition of Old-timer
Well crap. I don't qualify. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:59 PM, David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I disagree that age should be a factor. A person must show proof they are an Old-timer to receive this sacred title. Here are examples of proof, 1 ). NSS # issued before 1970. 2 ). A certificate of caving merit issued before 1975, or a photo or major article in a respected caving publication, by 1975. 3 ). Proof you were a member of a caving organization prior to the discovery of Golindrinas. 4 ). Your name is Fritz Holt. 5 ). You made a major caving discovery prior to 1979, such as the connections in Oaxaca. 6 ). You were the victim a major caving accident report before 1979. 7 ). You went caving in the Texas commercial caves before they were open for business. 8 ). You once owned 300 feet of Goldline rope and actually used it in a deep pit. David Locklear NSS # 27639 [ Not an Old-Timer, but my bones squeak and ache. ] ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TCR: A bargain at any price!
Thanks to Don and all the many volunteers, TCR continues to be the best deal of any event I¹ve ever paid to attend. Although I started caving in 1962 I¹m looking forward to proudly paying full price. -Frank On 9/12/14, 11:44 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie is only the messenger, I make the TCR rules. Be nice to her or oldtimers will pay geriatric fees. --Don On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ellie, I'm sure you didn't foresee the barrage of emails that Old timer was going to cause. Obviously, every Old timer is suggesting criteria that will make sure they qualify. One simple solution is to change the Old timer registration to $30, and see how many still insist they qualify! (Ha) LowGun (a young Old timer) On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: TCR Registration Prices: Adult - $25.00 Child - $15.00 Family - $80.00 Old timer - $15.00 Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes. Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/ ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Devil's Sinkhole R.I.P.
While Gluesenkamp won't remember it, Devil's Sinkhole did just fine without management, which always seems to mean managing cavers. And access was open even to scientists, although that cuts no mustard with me. Scientists are not a privileged class of people, and their claim to a resource is no more important than anybody else's. This includes archaeologists, paleontologists, geologists, and biologists. (And the physicists I used to work with, too, of course. But at least physicists don't generally claim special or exclusive access to caves.) A new private owner _might_ have closed the cave, but at least private owners eventually sell or die. A government owner was certain to severely restrict it, and governments, at least outside the Middle East, tend to live longer than people. Governments are suckers for special interests more than most private owners are--witness the difference in access between government-owned and privately owned caves in the southeastern US these days. They also, for some reason, tend to worry more about allowing people to hurt themselves. Cavers can and have foolishly promoted government acquisition or management of a cave as a protection measure only to find themselves locked out. I don't know that cavers had anything to do with the state's buying Devil's Sinkhole. I'd like to think not. -- Mixon Do you really think it is weakness to yield to temptation? There are terrible temptations that require strength and courage to yield to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
