Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 16, Issue 14

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Landowner relation and access issues are hardly specific to Texas.  
Nevertheless, I have to admit that the “social norms” in Texas do exacerbate 
the  
problem. I have long observed that the more desolate and worthless a 
particular  piece of cow blighted desert is the more fervent the indigenes are 
in  
defense of their territorial imperative. Therefore it isn’t surprising that  
secrecy is prevalent in the land of Big Belt Buckles and little... 
 
Personally, I would rather go to the land of the Big Tamale, or better  
still back to the Land of Smiles which is where I’m headed next, but there I go 
 being narcissistic and condescending again. 
 
SW


In a message dated 10/16/2015 12:00:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:

Well,  with weazel's, narcissistic and condescending rhetoric behind us, I
have  some perspective on these subjects as I have been very involved with
them  (in Texas) for years.


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[Texascavers] map to Paradise Canyon TCR

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

At the last minute, I find that the map provided by the TSA to Paradise Canyon 
is illegible and unprintable on my system. A much superior map is at
http://paradisecanyon.com/map/
--Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] map to Paradise Canyon TCR

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> At the last minute, I find that the map provided by the TSA to Paradise 
> Canyon is illegible and unprintable on my system. A much superior map is at
> http://paradisecanyon.com/map/
> --Mixon
> 
> A man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies.
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Re: [Texascavers] Secrecy

[George Veni via Texascavers]

Thirteen years ago I published an article in The Texas Caver titled “TSS: 
Secrecy, Sharing, and Responsibility.” It outlined many of the topics touched 
on in this thread. I presented information on how and why TSS releases data and 
the interest of the average Texas caver in that data. Not much has changed 
since I wrote that article. If any of you are curious, you can find it at 
http://www.karstportal.org/node/11616.

George


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via 
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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 17:38
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Secrecy

Meador's files ended up at the Brisco Center for American History in Austin. 
I've been making regular trips there to capture the information and archive it 
properly.

At least he made some plans to have it stored somewhere though I have no idea 
how it ended up there. It's certainly not easy to access or use at it's present 
location.

Jerry Atkinson.

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On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:18 PM, via Texascavers 
> wrote:



Right on, Diana.



Texas Cavers should understand a case in point: all the accurate and valuable 
cave data acquired by Tom Meador.  Fortunately, Tom published quite a bit.  
However a great deal more vanished after his death.  Tom would have been really 
pissed.



I do understand the important role that secrecy can and should play in the time 
between discovery and real protection of the resource.



The quandary comes when you find something truly exceptional and cannot 
conceive of any way to preserve it short of secrecy or blowing the entrance 
shut. I have certainly been there.



If no one can see it, is it still beautiful?



If  you found it and told no one, is your own life still significant?




I have actually asked myself those questions.




DirtDoc

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