Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

[Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers]

thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation
the cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?

Moni

2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/1825.pdf
>
> Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul1.pdf (~100 MB)
>
> There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS
> Newsletter vol 3 #4, at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf
>
> --Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Snork :-)

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:53 PM
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Subject: [Texascavers] Carrizal


I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.

I have heard they are under water.

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[Texascavers] Carrizal

[David via Texascavers]

I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.

I have heard they are under water.
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Re: [Texascavers] New Restoration projects at Carlsbad Caverns starting soon

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Kren Perry

Worked with Ron Bridgeman on a project there a decade ago or more. Mapped
lake of the clouds and Spider Cave and went to Lechguilla. It was a real
blast and felt like we were accomplishing things worthwhile. Liked the
folks and the cavers on those trips.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Karen Perry via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> You know that saying...'I'm baaack!' Well I am happy to report I am
> shouting it loud.
> After a long time away from anything caving or even related to caves, I
> have returned to the Cave Resource Department at Carlsbad Caverns and am
> planing several  projects that will start in September. If you would like
> to join in on the fun please email me for details.
>
> The Mirror Lake Lady has returned.
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[Texascavers] New Restoration projects at Carlsbad Caverns starting soon

[Karen Perry via Texascavers]

You know that saying...'I'm baaack!' Well I am happy to report I am shouting it 
loud.After a long time away from anything caving or even related to caves, I 
have returned to the Cave Resource Department at Carlsbad Caverns and am 
planing several  projects that will start in September. If you would like to 
join in on the fun please email me for details.
The Mirror Lake Lady has returned.Karen Perry
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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/1825.pdf

Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul1.pdf (~100 MB)

There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS Newsletter 
vol 3 #4, at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf

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[Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

[Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers]

Hi Friends

I need your help

I need information about the Carrizales Cave on Candela, NL/ Lampazos, NL
some of you visit this cave, the people named "Cueva Maldita" because have
Histoplamosis.

I know some of you visit that cave since 1967 Gill Ediger  or in other time
Peter Strikland, Rodolfo Gonzalez , George Veni. & others, .. Gill send me
an article about Bustamante area and said something about that cave...

Well I need to know if you have more articles to talk about that cave, If
you make a test about the guano, histo, water? I remmember Laura Rosales
take a some test of water,  Laura finaly write the results? could you
please share with me?

Some of you can help me?

Mónica Ponce
Coahuila.

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Re: [Texascavers] animal tracks in caves

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

  Must've been a dream. I was one of the principal explorers of Diamante,
and I've never heard of this before. For one thing, there are
essentially no stream passages in Diamante, and no mud islands that I'm
aware of.

Mark Minton
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On Fri, August 26, 2016 1:41 pm, David via Texascavers wrote:
> I recall a story from them early 1980's of cavers finding footprints of a
> creature on a mud island in a stream passage that looked like the creature
> was 3 feet tall and walked upright based on the size and gate of the
> tracks.
>
> I believe the cave was Cueva del Diamante in the El Abra just north of the
> town of Ciudad Valles.
>
> Did I dream this or was it a joke or a hoax ?
>
> David Locklear
> dlocklea...@gmail.com

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[Texascavers] animal tracks in caves

[David via Texascavers]

I recall a story from them early 1980's of cavers finding footprints of a
creature on a mud island in a stream passage that looked like the creature
was 3 feet tall and walked upright based on the size and gate of the tracks.

I believe the cave was Cueva del Diamante in the El Abra just north of the
town of Ciudad Valles.

Did I dream this or was it a joke or a hoax ?

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Leslie Bell via Texascavers]

Huesta Cave in Rancho Diana area, outside of San Antonio, was filled with signs 
from 'em. So much so that it was temporarily named "Lost Porcupine".


- Leslie

  From: Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many 
south-central Texas caves :
   
A couple live in Deep.


--Don

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-finds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cfbe577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
> 
> Jerry Atkinson.
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[Texascavers] we don't need no stinkin' badgers

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

Charley, Don, Jacqui, and Nancy,

Charles wrote:  Saw a badger here a few weeks ago. Big critter and mean 
looking, not to be messed with.


I suggest we take this discussion off-list, because we've strayed from 
the original message that Jerry posted about porcupines in caves.  
Anyone else is welcome to contribute their non-cave related critter 
stories to us off-list, unless there are unanticipated howls of protest 
from the other list members.


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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Saw a badger here a few weeks ago. Big critter and mean looking, not to be
messed with.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:58 AM, Charles Loving 
wrote:

> Well, P&W condones it. The endangered trees are pretty nice and I protect
> them as best I can. There are a plethora of Porcupines and the dogs really
> love them. Well, the vet loves them, since they really screw up dogs.
> Calley spent the better part of a day having the spines removed. And there
> is a story of a cowboy taking a dump on a sleeping porcupine and having to
> go to the ER where the doctors and nurses nearly laughed him out of the
> place. His testicals were so swollen he couldn't drive and his wife accused
> him of having VD.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> do they shoot bulldozers on sight for attacking trees?  that would be
>> refreshing.
>> Nancy
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> e shot on site out here because of their attack trees.
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Well, P&W condones it. The endangered trees are pretty nice and I protect
them as best I can. There are a plethora of Porcupines and the dogs really
love them. Well, the vet loves them, since they really screw up dogs.
Calley spent the better part of a day having the spines removed. And there
is a story of a cowboy taking a dump on a sleeping porcupine and having to
go to the ER where the doctors and nurses nearly laughed him out of the
place. His testicals were so swollen he couldn't drive and his wife accused
him of having VD.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> do they shoot bulldozers on sight for attacking trees?  that would be
> refreshing.
> Nancy
>
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> e shot on site out here because of their attack trees.
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Saw a dead badger in front of my house in Bee County once, roadkill, had no 
idea they were here.


--Don

> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:08 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting study, thanks Jerry.  
> 
> Cavers spend a lot of time in the wild and encounter lots of wildlife--both 
> fauna and flora. For the interested, I highly recommend the book Texas 
> Natural History: A Century of Change, by David J. Schmidly, Texas Tech 
> University Press, 2002.  The first half of the book is an introduction to and 
> reprint of the long out-of-print Biological Survey of Texas, 1889-1905, by 
> Vernon Bailey--an amazing quest. In the second half, Schmidly documents the 
> changes that have occurred to the landscapes/flora and mammalian fauna during 
> the 20th Century, with photos and distribution maps comparing then and now.  
> 
> In the 1889-1905 Biological Survey, porcupines were recorded only in the NW 
> panhandle (Tascosa County) and the Trans-Pecos Davis Mtns area. The current 
> range (as of ca. 2000) is all but the eastern 1/3 of the state, and deep 
> south Texas.
> 
> There are even photos of a jaguar killed in 1903 near Goldthwaite (Mills 
> County)--that's 100 miles NW of Austin!--and another one killed near San 
> Benito (Cameron County) in 1946.  Also in Cameron County...an ocelot killed 
> 1924, and a jaguarundi road kill in 1986.
> 
> A porcupine showed up in my next-door neighbor's yard in early Sept 2012, one 
> block south of a busy highway (Ben White Blvd) in south central Austin.  I 
> called a licensed wildlife trapper named Rio Tenango who easily netted it and 
> released it on a distant ranch that accepts such urban rescues. Small world-- 
> Rio recognized my house because he had been here for a UT Grotto vertical 
> training in my back yard years before.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
> 
>> On 8/25/2016 8:15 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
>> And I can say they have been common in Government Canyon caves for years. 
>> However, just in the last couple of years have I seen increased amounts of 
>> road-killed porcupines around Spring Branch.
>> 
>> Marvin Miller
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Jerryatkin via Texascavers
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:01 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many 
>> south-central Texas caves :
>> 
>> They're quite common (hence the Porcupine Grotto) in the western Edwards 
>> Plateau caves.
>> 
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 
 A couple live in Deep.
 
 
 --Don
 
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 
 http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-f
 inds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cf
 be577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

do they shoot bulldozers on sight for attacking trees?  that would be 
refreshing.
Nancy
> On Aug 26, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> e shot on site out here because of their attack trees.

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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Porcupines:
There are quite a few out here in Real/Edwards/Uvalde Co. They are a pest
in that they ring the endangered Pinon Pine trees and kill them. The
porcupines and the bark beetles are really hurting the ecology. They appear
as road kill frequently and for the most part are shot on site out here
because of their attack trees. There is a large one living in my cave along
with a fox and her kits.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Very interesting study, thanks Jerry.
>
> Cavers spend a lot of time in the wild and encounter lots of
> wildlife--both fauna and flora. For the interested, I highly recommend the
> book *Texas Natural History: A Century of Change,* by David J. Schmidly,
> Texas Tech University Press, 2002.  The first half of the book is an
> introduction to and reprint of the long out-of-print *Biological Survey
> of Texas**, 1889-1905*, by Vernon Bailey--an amazing quest. In the second
> half, Schmidly documents the changes that have occurred to the
> landscapes/flora and mammalian fauna during the 20th Century, with photos
> and distribution maps comparing then and now.
>
> In the 1889-1905 Biological Survey, porcupines were recorded only in the
> NW panhandle (Tascosa County) and the Trans-Pecos Davis Mtns area. The
> current range (as of ca. 2000) is all but the eastern 1/3 of the state, and
> deep south Texas.
>
> There are even photos of a jaguar killed in 1903 near Goldthwaite (Mills
> County)--that's 100 miles NW of Austin!--and another one killed near San
> Benito (Cameron County) in 1946.  Also in Cameron County...an ocelot killed
> 1924, and a jaguarundi road kill in 1986.
>
> A porcupine showed up in my next-door neighbor's yard in early Sept 2012,
> one block south of a busy highway (Ben White Blvd) in south central
> Austin.  I called a licensed wildlife trapper named Rio Tenango who easily
> netted it and released it on a distant ranch that accepts such urban
> rescues. Small world-- Rio recognized my house because he had been here for
> a UT Grotto vertical training in my back yard years before.
>
> Logan McNatt
> lmcn...@austin.rr.com
>
> On 8/25/2016 8:15 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
>
> And I can say they have been common in Government Canyon caves for years. 
> However, just in the last couple of years have I seen increased amounts of 
> road-killed porcupines around Spring Branch.
>
> Marvin Miller
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Jerryatkin via Texascavers
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:01 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many 
> south-central Texas caves :
>
> They're quite common (hence the Porcupine Grotto) in the western Edwards 
> Plateau caves.
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>   wrote:
>
> A couple live in Deep.
>
>
> --Don
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers 
>   wrote:
> http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-f
> inds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cf
> be577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks, Jerry, interesting article.

Since porcupines are primarily tree critters, I wonder if the overgrazing and 
control of fire that turned my part of Texas from savannah grasslands (very few 
live oaks, minimal mesquite, junipers confined to the draws) into the late 
1800s to what it is today has contributed to porcupine creep. Once they were 
here, of course they recognized how great caves are.

Nice to see what Chris T. is up to these days. Jacqui


J. LaRue Thomas
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> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:08 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting study, thanks Jerry.  
> 
> Cavers spend a lot of time in the wild and encounter lots of wildlife--both 
> fauna and flora. For the interested, I highly recommend the book Texas 
> Natural History: A Century of Change, by David J. Schmidly, Texas Tech 
> University Press, 2002.  The first half of the book is an introduction to and 
> reprint of the long out-of-print Biological Survey of Texas, 1889-1905, by 
> Vernon Bailey--an amazing quest. In the second half, Schmidly documents the 
> changes that have occurred to the landscapes/flora and mammalian fauna during 
> the 20th Century, with photos and distribution maps comparing then and now.  
> 
> In the 1889-1905 Biological Survey, porcupines were recorded only in the NW 
> panhandle (Tascosa County) and the Trans-Pecos Davis Mtns area. The current 
> range (as of ca. 2000) is all but the eastern 1/3 of the state, and deep 
> south Texas.
> 
> There are even photos of a jaguar killed in 1903 near Goldthwaite (Mills 
> County)--that's 100 miles NW of Austin!--and another one killed near San 
> Benito (Cameron County) in 1946.  Also in Cameron County...an ocelot killed 
> 1924, and a jaguarundi road kill in 1986.
> 
> A porcupine showed up in my next-door neighbor's yard in early Sept 2012, one 
> block south of a busy highway (Ben White Blvd) in south central Austin.  I 
> called a licensed wildlife trapper named Rio Tenango who easily netted it and 
> released it on a distant ranch that accepts such urban rescues. Small world-- 
> Rio recognized my house because he had been here for a UT Grotto vertical 
> training in my back yard years before.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
> 
> On 8/25/2016 8:15 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
>> And I can say they have been common in Government Canyon caves for years. 
>> However, just in the last couple of years have I seen increased amounts of 
>> road-killed porcupines around Spring Branch.
>> 
>> Marvin Miller
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Texascavers [
>> mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Jerryatkin via Texascavers
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:01 PM
>> To: 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com
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>> Cc: 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com
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>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many 
>> south-central Texas caves :
>> 
>> They're quite common (hence the Porcupine Grotto) in the western Edwards 
>> Plateau caves.
>> 
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>> 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple live in Deep.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Don
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers 
 
  wrote:
 
 
 http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-f
 
 inds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cf
 be577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
 
 Jerry Atkinson.
 
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